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  1. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    I agree... But it still doesn’t change anything. If anyone in Winterfell believed Jon had been conceived at Harrenhal, they kept quiet about it. Because the only thing we ever get about what was being whispered there at the time are the “rumours” that Cat heard: that Ned killed Arthur and went to Starfall to return Dayne’s sword to his beautiful sister. And then there’s the fact that you simply cannot pass a toddler for an infant, and the fact that Cat completely accepts the two boys are close in age.
  2. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    It’s really funny how the Stark haters wanna force the same type of sicko sibling-fucking into the Stark family tree as we see over and over again w/ the Arians Targaryens.
  3. Well, exactly... but that’s what you proposed, isn’t it? Here: ”IMO Lyanna got spooked after Rhaegar crowned her queen of love and beauty, because she thought he must have suspected she had something to do with the Knight of the Laughing Tree. So she took off after the tourney to hide just as Arya hid with Nymeria after throwing Joffrey's sword in the Trident, which I believe is a sort of parallel metaphor for what Lyanna did. When Cersei declares they "have a wolf" it's a parallel for when Lyanna is captured.”
  4. Thank you. But if her family knew where she was and were ok w/ it because she was w/ HR then she wasn’t really missing...
  5. Sure but Arya had lots of help, starting w/ Yoren when Ned is killed. I thought you meant Lyanna hid on her own for a month, and then was abducted. Which feels a tad strange for me, story-wise, but to each their own. But if I understand correctly, you’re saying she might have had help? Used a disguise? Care to elaborate?
  6. Wouldn’t it be somewhat difficult for a high born maid to “remain hidden” for a whole month? I’m not sure I follow... So the idea here is that Lyanna takes off and hides for a month, and is immediately “ abducted” (or whatever)? W/o ever meeting anyone? Is that it?
  7. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    The thing is, the text gives us no reason whatsoever to believe people at Winterfell think Jon could have been conceived at Harrenhal. What we do know is that Cat heard rumours that "whispered of Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, deadliest of the seven knights of Aerys's Kingsguards, and of how their young lord had slain him in single combat. And they told how afterward Ned had carried Ser Arthur's sword back to the beautiful young sister who awaited him in a castle called Starfall on the shores of the Summer Sea. The Lady Ashara Dayne, tall and fair, with haunting violet eyes". There is norhing there connecting any of the players and Harrenhal, or a tourney, or even hinting at Ned and Ashara having met previously. Then later, Harwin talks to Arya about Ned & Ashara maybe having had a fling at Harrenhal. But they're not talking about Jon's mum. Ned has just told her that Wylla is Jon's mother. Then they talk about Ashara, Arya takes off and Harwin talks to her - trying to reassure her that her mum wasn't dishonoured - and talks about the tourney and how back then it was Brandon who was engaged to Cat. OT but just read that someone is gonna put your president's name forth for a nobel. A Peace Nobel, i might add. Same here.
  8. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    That’s what’s been argued ad nauseam here, by many. But all these arguments are dismissed. The go-to counter argument we get is that we are only using them because they support what we believe in, and that doesn’t make them true, or something to that effect. But that’s inaccurate. Everyone in-story accepts that Jon is younger than Robb, or roughly the same age. And there is no way you can pass a toddler for an infant. Then there’s also what we have regarding the timeline... The war lasted “close to a year”; Robb was conceived after the war started, and born near the end of the war. And everyone and their dogs believe and fully accept that Jon was conceived during the war. Yup, it’s that simple. Again, no. That’s just your opinion. We have the text, from Cat’s own PoV, saying she travelled with Robb “when the wars were over at last”, not ‘6 (or x) months after the wars ended, when it would be safe’. Also, if Ned had gone first to RR then Winterfell, while Cat remained at RR w/ Robb to travel later, there would be something on it in the text. It would be super strange to have this happen and no one ever thinks about it ever or mentions it?
  9. kissdbyfire

    For the record... and posterity!

    I was reading your replies and mostly agreeing until I got to this one. I really, really don’t think this will happen. We shall see...
  10. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Secret Stark Knights

    I think it absolutely supports the argument that northerners aren't typically knights, but I don't think anyone is disputing that... For instance, I very much disagree w/ the idea that we have hints pointing to Rickard and Brandon being knights, but I think there are several knights in the north - both currently and in the past. But these knights are most definitely the vast minority within the northerners. IMO.
  11. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    No, you are twisting what I said. Whether deliberately or not, I don’t know. @corbon and myself brought up the fact that Brandon was dead by the time Jon was conceived. Because Cat knows when Robb was conceived, and upon meeting Jon, she doesn’t question his age. She doesn’t go, “oh this baby is too old to have been conceived during the war, so it’s all good, Ned never cheated on me”. As a matter of fact, she completely accepts Jon’s alleged age, and continues to think that Ned fathered him during the war. The war lasted close to one year; close to one year probably means ~ 8 - 10 months, and realistically closer to 10. Robb was conceived early on during the war.. And yes, Cat most definitely knows when Robb was conceived since Ned went to RR after the rebellion had started, and left shortly after his wedding to Cat. It’s simple Maths Yes, you did mention it. But it means nothing other than that’s your opinion on the matter. Compelling argument.
  12. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    The rumour doesn’t count because it doesn’t add up, it’s nothing to do w/ who the parents are or aren’t. Actually, when Cat thinks about that one time when she asked Ned about Jon’s mother there is no mention of Harrenhal. Only that Ned had fought and defeated ser Arthur Dayne, deadliest of Aerys’ KG, and afterwards had returned his sword to Arthur’s beautiful sister. This is more like putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5. That’s not reasonable at all. Firstly, there is no mention or suggestion or hint of anything like this having happened. Secondly, if Ned went to RR before going to Wintefell, why didn’t Cat go w/ him? Jon could only have been conceived at Harrenhal if his mum was an elephant w/ a gestation period of + 20 months.
  13. kissdbyfire

    Who is the 3EC?

    Next “Who is Jon’s dad” thread I will have to say, Vayon Poole! And OMFG, when Jeyne/fArya arrives at CB... just think about it! Jon expects his “sister” Arya who is really his cousin. And who arrives posing as Arya is Jeyne Poole, his actual sister!
  14. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    Maybe @corbon wasn’t there really, but was paying attention when reading/re-reading. For Jon to be Brandon’s he would have to be significantly older than Robb, and he isn’t. You can obfuscate babies ages up to a point, maybe two or three months either way, but that’s it.
  15. kissdbyfire

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    And since when has that stopped anyone?