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It’s not even through the heart. It’s more towards the right side, and lower than where the heart should be. Maybe the liver, or the inferior lobe of the right lung. In other words, the hackery and sloppiness is so bad that they don’t even know/try to get right exactly where the heart is.

Aaaaaaarrrrrgghhhh, don’t get me started on that fucking fuckery!!! I could rant by myself for pages and pages just on that!

Sam was a huge disappoint too. HUGE. And now he’s Grand Maester? What? He dropped out of maester school and stole property before fleeing. Property that never had any significance WHATSOEVER. And he shacked up w/ Gilly and is now going to be a daddy! Awwww how adorable! Fucking NOT.

They were sent to the same recipients in the letters Talisa wrote back in series whatever.

How can you know that?

It does matter how the author explains what is going on with the dead that are being brought back to life. LOL And the point is, they are not who they were. They’re not living beings, they’re reanimated corpses. It’s one thing for Beric’s resurrection to have an effect on the small folk in the Riverlands. Because Beric was already their champion, so to speak. He was sent there to bring the Mountain to justice, or kill him. The Mountain who was ravaging the land and killing small folk left and right. So when Beric dies and is brought back, people see it as a sign, he becomes a saviour in their eyes. If Jon Snow, a bastard and, if Marsh gets to say anything, a deserter of the NW is brought back by Red Rahloo, a foreign demon god, people in the north will not be very willing to crown him their king. IMO.

I don't think he's dead at all. So I have no point whatsoever!

I have been calling both types as fire wights and ice wights for years now. And Martin used the exact same in a fairly recent interview, so.

If he died and was reanimated, would that be the same as an actual living person? I don't think so, but I don't have the answe; it's at the very least debatable. But in the eyes of everyone, he would be someone who died and was brought back, and not unlike a wight. Why should anyone accept him as king?

Not the point I was making. If a dead person can't be held accountable for something they vowed while alive, a will naming a dead person shouldn't be worth the parchment it's written on.

I was speaking about the years long arguments made here that Jon's death will free him from his NW vow. If that happens, the same should happen to Robb's will. I'm not fussed either way, I don't think Jon's dead.

But that's how David and Dan roll. Nothing that happened to ANY of the characters in series 8 was earned. I supoose character development is for suckers, much like themes are for 8th grade book reports. With Dany it became much more obvious and jarring because she has been portrayed as an empathetic saviour up until that moment and because of the consequences. Now they're going to retroactively try to justify everything - if they ever come out of hiding - but it's bollocks. She was seen as a saviour because they have always shown her darker actions as justified, those on the receivend end of her "dracarys!" were always bad guys, despicable slavers, savage rapers, and so on. That and GIRL POWER YAY WOMEN ON TOP. Hacks.

If Jon's vows to the Watch are nulled by his death, the same should apply to Robb's will.

So. Is Tyrion King in the North on top of HotK of the 6 Kingdoms?

Yes, yes, yes. And KL burning in some horrible mishap would make more sense. But then there’s no shock, no turning Dany into a mad bloodthirsty nutjob who had to be put down. They did it the way they did it for the shock, and because they’re awful writers w/ no imagination and a frat boy mentality. And yes, they butchered both Jon and Dany, that scene is HORRIBLE and repulsive. Also worthy of mention is the fact that every single character was destroyed in the wake of the Ds failure to write a fucking story.

And isn’t he still married to Sansa? Not a peep about that either. Oh well, that’s sooooo series 3. I mean, they can’t remember or address what they did in the previous episode, how can they be expected to remember something from YEARS ago? I know, I’m such an arsehole, to even think about shit like this.

Well, the ending was rubbish and pathetic and stupid. So, what’s to like? And yes, that’s the forum’s twitter account, Ran and Linda’s. The way it was done... awful, repulsive, disgusting.

Also, THIS: https://mobile.twitter.com/westerosorg/status/1130478366665191424?s=20

I’ve finally forced myself to watch the whole episode, after sleeping through most of it on Sunday. It was much worse than I expected... SIGH. - So, Jon meets GW while he’s executing Lannister soldiers. He then walks and walks and walks, and when he reaches the top of the stairs GW is there. Whatever. - Dany’s ‘rousing’ speech: yes, they destroyed the stone houses and killed the men in their iron suits. Of course there’s no mention of all the innocents who had to die, but fuck it, who cares at this point. - convo between Jon and Arya: J: What are you doing here? A: I came to kill Cersei but your queen got there first. Only she’d changed her mind and fled BEFORE Cersei died. Whatever. The writers don’t care about the stupid stuff they write, as long as it sounds kewl. - How much time has passed between the actual taking of KL and Jon killing Dany? Am I supposed to believe that the scene where Dany is killed is the very first time she sets foot in the throne room? That’s ridiculous. Also, I had slept through this scene... and I have to say, the way it was done was repulsive. - Dragonpit: this is one of the worst scenes EVER. Seriously, it’s stupid from start to finish, not a single redeeming thing about it. The dialogue is so completely atrocious (even for David and Dan’s standards) that I wanted to throw things at the telly. I kept rewinding because I couldn’t believe how bad it sounded and how nonsensical and STUPID the whole thing was. Tobias Menzies turned into a glorified extra, fuck you GoT. A bunch of random nobodies as the “most powerful lords and ladies”, what a fucking joke. And Gendry!!! Fuck me, I didn’t even realise he was there. Only saw him when he said his one line in the who,e episode. What a joke. No wonder Joe Dempsie said what he said about character development. - the Unsullied are going to Naath. Ok? Why? No, don’t answer, I don’t care. However, I would like to know... Do they have resources? How will they feed and clothe themselves? What the fuck ever. - Brienne lies when writing Jaime’s entry in the white book because... Jaime deserves better after that wham bam thank you ma’am, w/o the thank you part. Fuck you. - Tyrion is not mentioned in that stupid book that is supposed to cover the events from RR to the present? Really? REALLY? And I don’t even like Tyrion, but what a joke. The son of a major lord, brother-in-law to the king, brother to the queen, uncle to 2 kings, hand of the king, kinslayer who killed his own father and tried and convicted of killing the king his nephew. I’m sure there’s more, but who the fuck cares. - Arya has a Stark ship, with a huge direwolf sail and direwolf head on the prow. Where did that come from? - Jon is sent to the Wall and immediately deserts. Ghost is half the size Nymeria was last season. Whatever. Ooooooh, a single blade of grass... yes, A DREAM OF SPRING, I get it. FUCK YOU GOT.

Does he? I must have missed that part. Maybe for some. The story is finished when the author is happy w/ it. What you or I or anyone think is completely irrelevant. Why? Again, why? You don’t know what’s going to happen in the books. You don’t know which parts will be similar (between show and books) and which won’t. It seems you’re making an awful lot of assumptions here, but the fact is, no one knows any of this but Martin. We don’t even know if Bran’s story will play out similarly in the books. Again, you’re making assumptions based on what the show has done.

That’s exactly it. Of course he won’t spoil the books, come on. And it’s obvious some things that happened on the show will happen in the books, however differently. That’s why he ended the post the way he did. How about this? I’ll write it. You read it. Then everyone can make up their own mind, and argue about it on the internet.

Yes. Yes. Yes. in other words, things he has said before, many times.

That was very good, and quite ranty. This bit here is great: I'll be honest: I laughed when Bran was elected king. Then I laughed as fucking Jon was sentenced back to the wall. I laughed again when, in a weird moment of meta, self-aware comedy, Jon asked why they even have the Night's Watch anymore. Good point! Why? I laughed when Sansa, for no clear reason, wanted the North to be separateeven though her brother is king. I laughed as they set up their new government. I laughed thinking about how this is just as corruptible and shitty as their previous government or any other government could be. I laughed when it became clear that Tyrion appears to be the real leader of the Seven Kingdoms (six?) while Bran continued to do whatever the hell it is Bran does. I laughed that none of the prophecies mattered. I laughed that none of the character arcs mattered. I laughed that no one bothered to explain why Bran had fought the Night King so many times before. I laughed that the Children of the Forest just ceased to be. I laughed that Arya never used her Faceless powers (you know, actually taking someone's face) this season after she spent what felt like a billion years learning them. I laughed that the kid who breastfed until he was, like, 12 years old is still alive and looks pretty damn good.

Are you referring to what David and Dan said n the “Inside the Episode” after episode 509? If so, I don’t know... I think they were being very disingenuous w/ the “reveal”. Remember, they’d taken a lot of backlash because of their Sansa Poole idea. So they kind of threw Martin under the bus by revealing that he had told them about Shireen. But what I find interesting is that they said, “when Martin told us this”... not “when Martin told us that Stannis will burn Shireen”. The other thing about that is, they said they were utterly shocked to learn that Shireen will burn. And that I thought was hilarious. Is there anyone who has actually read the books that doesn’t expect her to burn? The discussions are always about who will do it, not whether it will happen. But David and Dan never saw it coming and were totally shocked. Explains a lot about their comprehension of the story.

Before anything we need to untangle the Plotzee, as @The Fattest Leech aptly calls it. Show Dany has elements of Val, fAegon, JonCon. Jon has fAegon stuff as well. And these are just the two main characters, so... The main plot points I think will be different are: Bran as king of the 7 6 Kingdoms, Dany burning KL, Sansa as QitN, Tyrion as HotK, Jaime and Cersei - they may die together, but I think he’ll kill her. These are the first ones I can think of atm.