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    Lyanna Stark: A Gift from Old Gods

    Bran is the blue flower, the chink in the wall, the bitter bloom. 'The things I do for love' -- I'll explain it later...
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF -- V2

    Welcome to our Poetry thread, @Pride of Driftmark -- I like it! Hello fellow Corvid; welcome to the Poetry thread. The turtle soup confessional is a great example, uniting mocking and cess pool motifs, my favorites... Pity it only took place in the show and not in the text, but at least D&D got the gist of it, giving GRRM the nod with their take on the 'bowl of brown'...
  3. I haven't read the whole thread, so sorry if it's been covered -- the literal castrations as well as symbolic emasculations are very important. I can't offer a definitive exegesis, but @Crowfood's Daughter has related the castration motif to the Fisher King wound, the 'dolorous stroke.' We get references to being 'unmanned' as early as the Prologue, in which that word is repeated twice, so it's key. Further examples include Theon, Varys, other eunuchs such as the Unsullied, Cersei's penis envy directed vs her brothers, viciously cutting them down to size, (not so nimble) Dick who is decapitated with a morningstar, and Yellow Dick's gruesome fate, one might saying 'biting his own tail' like the dragon in the ouroboros, among others. Then, more controversially, what about Daenerys who magically lobotomised her husband, got him to bite a pillow (in an inversion of what he used to do to her), and then usurped his position, bells, braids and all..? Not to mention Tormund's missing member jokes, and the subtext of all the lost and broken swords and swordhands. GRRM has protested that he's Into 'boobies not wieners', contradicting South Park's insinuation that he's 'obsessed with wieners' -- is that why he's apparently so obsessed with removing them..?
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    @Pain killer Jane and I have been pioneers, endeavouring for some time to engage the fandom in shitty discourse -- but LmL persists in censoring our efforts, in favor of more savory topics, LOL! It has become a running joke on twitter... It's sometimes uncomfortable for fans to acknowledge how GRRM's work does not always make for pleasant, nor especially 'politically correct' reading, a case in point being his obsession with excrement and his treatment of prostitution. People on twitter have even been cowed into using the politically correct term 'sex worker', to avoid a dissection of GRRM's explicit use of the term 'whore' -- which poetically has been linked to 'hoar', with implications for the Long Night, as @Darry Man has shown. See his excellent thread, showcasing his original idea, 'Where Whores Go': I love your explanation, Lolly! The weirwood remembers. It is the rejected, yet indelible, Shadow of the collective unconscious, as described by Jung. GRRM is alluding to this idea, e.g. in the choice of the name "Riverrun", which, as @Daendrew followed by @sweetsunray have highlighted, is a reference to the first word of James Joyce's classic 'Finnegans Wake', linking up with the last sentence of the novel, to give: a way a lone a last a loved a long the / riverrun, past Eve and Adam’s, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to Howth Castle and Environs. I won't parse the whole passage, suffice to note that among the many layered meanings of 'commodious', a commode is a toilet, and 'commodious recirculation' is therefore a description of the polluted river as a sewer system -- with the ultimate message being that the vicious cycle of history has much in common with a cess pool, in which we all float like turds, carried by the current. Think of the sludgy brown mudflats fed by the river at the Quiet Isle, which receives, and regurgitates all things, corpses and gems alike (Seams' buries/rubies wordplay applies). Not coincidentally, the Azor Ahai trickster, naughty greenseer figure, Tyrion is Master of Sewers, served with ingeniously unblocking the 'bowels' of Casterly Rock. Make of that what you will. GRRM is also making a comment on how humans frequently treat other human beings like shit. He is a cynical romantic -- like Jaime.
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    All good points -- but why specifically is the weirwood/weirnet compared to a privy or cess pool? Life mimics art -- it's called 'the John' because John Harington, the ancestor of Kit Harington who plays Jon in the show, invented the flush toilet!
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    This idea of the weirwood/weirnet as privy, cesspool, or brothel is very interesting. There is an abundance of symbolism supporting these associations (despite such compelling evidence, my observation thereof, now bolstered by @zandru's superb find, has aroused controversy among the more prudish and/or politically correct). What message is GRRM trying to convey by doing this, do you think?
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    The Three-Eyed-Crow is Old Nan, not Bloodraven

    Except, GRRM does not give us 'clear and simple meanings'. It's the primary reason he's such a master of suspense. In other words, the 'premise' of which you speak is anything but 'straightforward'! GRRM does not do anything straightforwardly. His writing is not a direct path -- it is a maze designed to delight and disorientate the reader, a kaleidoscopic hall of mirrors (in which we are trapped ): Good point. It's a paradox! These passages imply that once Bran weds the weirwood (which we witness him doing in ADWD), past, present and future by extension become one for Bran. Therefore, the usual assumptions of chronology or causality no longer apply to him. Taken to its inevitable conclusion, this means that Bran was a greenseer before he learned to be one, even though he needed to train in order to become one...a paradox (represented by the notion of a half-forgotten language..."He could almost understand them . . . not quite, not truly, but almost . . . as if they were singing in a language he had once known and somehow forgotten"). The proof for this strange state of affairs is that Bran existed as an agent in the world even before his own birth, in that he was able to make an impact on his father via greenseeing (even if this was 'only' via the wind and Ned's response to it rustling the leaves), before he was even a sperm in his young father's scrotum! It truly is mindboggling. As for your assertion that Bran is not a greenseer, consider the following, which cannot be the work of someone whose powers are merely on the level of a warg/skinchanger: Bloodraven, in contrast, try as he might, cannot speak to others when he is greenseeing. He says plaintively that 'no word of mine has reached them', speaking of his 'ghosts'. Bran, however, is able to reach his 'ghost', namely Reek, Theon's remnant, or otherwise stated the 'ghost' of Theon, in the eponymous chapter 'A Ghost in Winterfell' (an ambiguous title which can refer both to Theon as well as the one who 'haunts him', the ghost of the heart tree, Bran): This statement -- as Dorian keeps reminding me -- is immediately qualified by Bloodraven saying that 'the past is past' and 'cannot be changed'; however, the fact that Bran's words do reach Theon in a subsequent chapter is meant to tease us with the possibility that Bran may be capable of things of which Bloodraven can only dream (you see what I mean about GRRM being a master of equivocation?). I'd wager, Bloodraven is neither the greatest greenseer, nor the Last. Paradoxically, his third eye was already open before he opened his third eye. As I alluded to above, once he weds the tree and looks through its eyes, he could even conceivably watch his younger self in the godswood, like the heart tree in the so-called 'coma dream' brooding self-reflexively on its own reflection looking back at itself from the black pool with 'knowing eyes.'
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    That's a great catch!
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.16

    Red Comet -- harbinger of Red Wedding:
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    Why do the direwolves hate Tyrion?

    The direwolves and Tyrion may have a date with destiny. This passage feels like foreshadowing -- though of what I could not say. There's also a symbolic parallel made to the Prologue events. See for yourselves:
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    It's the ever popular "Moon Door" aka The King's Justice. But ... the description also matches the traditional outhouse, or privy. Why is that reminiscent of a privy (besides the suggestive fact that it's called a *moon* door...)?
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Catelyn II, Clash 22  Jaime will be a kinslayer before ASOIAF ends, when he slays his sister and fulfills the valonqar prophecy. Perhaps Jaime's already a kinslayer... The beast *seemed* to be saying...because Jaime misheard the dragon...who said, "I know you KIN-slayer"! It's waiting for him to come, and it knows him, because he's one of them. If Jaime is Aerys's bastard, then he might be a Waters instead of a Lannister -- adding another level of irony to Jaime's impatience with encountering the gaoler Rennifer Longwaters with his longwinded tales detailing his drop of dragon's blood. From a psychoanalytic perspective, the subterranean descent -- i.e. critical stage of the Hero's Journey -- is quintessentially a quest for self-knowledge. Down there, Jaime is encountering clues to none other than his own identity.
  13. Dorian, your reputation in the forum has been rated 'mostly harmless'...LOL (perhaps it's time to revise your desire for 'revenge')!

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    no kidnapping tyrion

    Yeats was wrong -- the fascination with what's difficult can be a pleasure! Sshhhh..!!! Be careful what you whisper to the trees... (the mother of his kids probably told him to grow up; that, and he couldn't weather the blast of Dorian's wit...like Quentyn + Viserion...pity, because Mac had his finger on the pulse of the old gods, despite his abrasive manner; and I miss him, strangely!)
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    The Peaceful People of Na'ath

    Note the striking similarities between the Naathi and the Children/Crannogs in the following passages. What do you think it means? Leaf -- Missandei COTF -- Naathi the True Tongue gifted to Bran -- gift for tongues singing Songs vs. waging War The Others -- the Butterfly spirits Making and Unmaking with a word (#killing word) Hollow hill -- pyramid Godswood -- Dany's garden old gods/the Great Other -- Lord of Harmony What's the relation between butterflies and dragons? I suppose they're both worms, the archaic word for dragon being 'wyrm'. The danger of staying too long reminds me of your thesis of Bloodraven's cavern as a Hypnos/Lethe trap, as exemplified by this following quote: I'm pretty sure that pun (NAATHI--NAUGHTY) will not make LmL the Dragon's book of acceptable puns and anagrams for normal people, but glad you like it! To paraphrase D&D, "you want a good woman, but you need a Naathi girl..." LOL
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