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    Re-forging Valyrian Steel using half forgotten spells
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  1. Hi all. Quick post on my take regards Bran The Broken. Well done to @Meera of Tarth & @Tijgy & all those who predicted Bran would go onto rule in a position of power! Okay, so we all thought it was going to be Winterfell as Lord, or maybe even King in the North, but we didn't see him getting the big one, as King of the '6' Kingdoms. Anyhow, while I was surprised, I like Tyrion's points about Bran being able to make informed decisions because of his ability to see the previous mistakes other rulers of Westeros have made in the past. I also really liked the historical call back to the early days of the First Men in that Bran is a greenseer king. There were a few show things we can parallel to book Westeros' ancient history, over on Twitter my friend @Rusted Revolver has labelled it 'starting back' [working from the idea that the first words of the entire novels have significance, it's a great theory & those discussing it see it everywhere now. Including in the show] One thing I wish they had included is the idea that Bran, has for a large part of the series/books sat a throne himself, a weirwood throne of course. It would have been a nice transition to have the iron throne destroyed & the new greenseer king underline his godlike abilities via a powerful sign of the old gods. One like we find at the Eyrie would have been sufficient, although I am greedy & would have liked that throne based in the subterranean. Kings Landing is the site of three hollow hills after all, three hills said to have been fought over in days of old, this normally means those hills have power. Oh well, I am horribly biased & can't have everything, haha. The fact the show runners have made it seem Bran can see everything in the future with such clarity has bugged me. It means he could see the death & destruction to come & did nothing, insinuating it was a necessary path towards him becoming king. This makes him a power hungry psychopath & I refuse to believe it will be like that in the books. I think the visions of the future will be hard to interpret, something Bran will have to make sense of rather than see clearly, as he can the past. Good to see friends posting in this thread, speak soon.
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    Poll: Is Daario actually Euron?

    No.
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    Wow, I never noticed that v.17

    Ned mimicking the Kings of Winter in the crypts..... Further evidence foreshadowing Ned's death.
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    The Others emerging from the weirwoods

    No problem, glad you enjoyed the read. So yeah, it is just a turn of phrase but relating to the language choice we find in the books. 'xxxxx' emerges from trees etc. Basically the Others coming from the weirnet. Cheers @Sea Dragon
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    The Others emerging from the weirwoods

    As promised, here's a brief synopsis of the 'Others emerge from the trees' idea, together with some key illustrative quotes. Before I start, it must be said that these ideas rely on the symbolism to be found within the text, which can of course lead to varying opinions on what each different passage means. It is a large topic, but I will try to make it as easy to follow as possible. Firstly, there are many instances of GRRM figuratively comparing trees to warriors, which must be for some greater narrative purpose besides mere poetic personification. Consider..... Given the speculation surrounding whether the CotF may have created the Others for some martial purpose, the following quote is suggestive of the Others/warriors coming from the trees...……. We know the CotF fought the First Men, but unless the trees actually uprooted and fought these battles (like Tolkien's Ents), who are these 'warriors that come from the trees'? Because the only other people/beings we know of that were involved in this fight were the Others, it would make sense these tree warriors/Others were made by the Children [or their greenseers] to fight their cause. But are there any 'Other-tree' clues to back this up? Well we can start with the AGOT, Prologue..... The shadow [or the Other] emerged from the wood. Symbolically, this would support the idea that they originally came from the trees, in addition to being described as looking like the 'deep grey-green of the trees'. The takeaway being that these icy warriors who look like trees came from the wood, or the weirwood net. Trees turned to warriors. So are there more Other-tree-warrior quotes.... The Others are 'faceless & silent' plus 'all but invisible in the wood'. What would be perfect right now is a quote that has a Faceless Man mirroring these actions & acting as a symbolic Other. Well...... Once Arya had prayed to the weirwood tree, Jaqen emerges and mirrors the actions of the Others from the Prologue. He is a 'faceless' man standing there 'patiently watching,' so 'silent' that the sound of his voice startles Arya. It's as if he was 'invisible in the woods'. This is another example of a faceless warrior emerging from the trees, who has echoes of the Others' description from AGOT. To add to this symbolism, Jaqen has the typical weirwood colours of red & white. Here is a further example of the same pattern from a Cat chapter...…. Jaime and his men are warriors emerging from the trees in this passage [framed between the branches - obscured by trees]. They are also described as Other like. The moonlight has turned Jaime's hair & armour silver, which is consistent with the imagery and colour scheme given to the Others. And he is blending into the trees [he was there & he was gone again, his silvery armor obscured by the trees] just as the Others blend into the trees/their surroundings in the AGOT Prologue (in that same Whispering Wood passage from the Cat chapter mentioned above, soldiers are described as 'melting into the green'). Finally, Jaime's men [army of Other warriors] are literally described as Others, which tellingly is capitalized, which I'm sure is no coincidence. Here is another passage of text that hints at the Lannister army emerging from the trees being like the Others.... The Lannister men are described as 'nameless strangers who all look alike'. Again, this calls back to the AGOT Prologue, in which the Others are compared to twins...... If you are wondering why I've bolded the 'nameless' description [aren't the nameless gods exclusively referencing the CotF?] then I shall explain. There are examples where a character prays to the weirwood tree/old gods and then the Others appear from the wood/trees, the best examples of which are Will in the Prologue of AGOT and Varamyr in the Prologue of ADWD...….. Straight after Will has whispered his prayer to the nameless gods, the Others appear (i.e. we can conclude that the nameless gods and the Others are equivalent here). It's as if they heard his prayer. We see again, as soon as Varamyr had prayed, the signature cold of the Others appears/is mentioned, followed of course by the Others actually turning up and wighting Thistle. [PS: See above Arya quote, in which Jaqen the assassin similarly appears from the weirwood after her prayer] The prayer-summoning-the-Others idea was first formulated in @ravenous reader's 'Killing Word' essay, which I recommend reading: Talking of language, here's another interesting parallel between the Others and the weirwood trees.... And the trees...... The Others and weirwood trees both speak in a language humans aren't able to comprehend. It is highly likely this language is the True Tongue. The True Tongue is linked to the language of the CotF, the naturalistic speech we find in the rustling of the leaves or the ravens whispering into Coldhands ear. Bran also thinks to himself that the howling of the wolves is a language he had once known and somehow forgotten. CONCLUSION As you can see, GRRM has interwoven several symbolic threads which can be traced throughout the novels. I hope to have given some textual evidence as to where the 'Others emerge from the trees' idea comes from. The Prologue gives us a few clues which can be linked through reading other passages of text symbolically. This is not my theory and I'm sure I have missed some important information, but I trust I've provided some insight into this important topic. Hopefully this post inspires some chat around this subject moving forward.
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    The Others emerging from the weirwoods

    Hi @Sea Dragon , nice to see some people talking about this theory. It's been a topic of discussion between a group of us on Twitter for a while, focusing on Lml's original theory. I think the (awesome) poster you tried to link is @ravenous reader and you are right to call her in for this chat, she has a good understanding of the idea as a whole. The term 'Others coming from the tree's' shouldn't be taken literally, they haven't just morphed from the actual tree and started walking about. Rather it should be seen as a symbolic explanation for their appearance from the weirnet. Tree warriors, once entrenched in the wwnet only to be released at some point in time from the net/ww trees for a reason still being debated. It tends to be along the line that once the 1st men/humans invaded the net/entered the net it was a reaction in defence of a potential violation etc. There are various passages of text that hint towards a warrior emerging from trees or ww trees specifically. I shall have to return to supply said quotes as I'm not at home right now. Needless to say I like this idea a lot and will try and shed some light on a fully fleshed out version for your reading. Cheers Sea Dragon
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    Puns and Wordplay

    Hi @Seams Coins -- scion I recently found this potential word play when looking into an idea by @ravenous reader that the Prince that was promised may actually be a price that was promised. The theory being that Brandon the Builder may have been involved in a 'promise/pact/agreement' to give up a child/heir/scion, only for the prize to be stolen away. Alternatively, some have theorised that the NK/NQ may be the potential candidates. Either way, the basic premise is that a Prince [scion] was to be exchanged in payment [coins] but was stolen away, thus the Others want to now claim their prize. There are various examples of this in the text, the obvious one being Theon sent to ward with the Stark's as payment for Balon's rebellion. The first of three 'Princes' exchanged in payment............... Secondly, a Stark Prince...... [or the heir of the King beyond the Wall, whichever takes ones fancy] The third example is my favourite as it highlights the potential for the scion/coins wordplay...... Three prices Princes used as coin or exchanged as payment. Regarding RR's idea that Brandon the Builder may have made some kind of pact/agreement involving the payment of a child/heir and then reneging on the deal, here are a couple of instances of Noble scions being 'stolen' away or robbed. Firstly, Jaime....... And secondly, Sweetrobin........ Aerys 'robbed' Jaime, and Robin [robbing ] was stolen away. So we have three examples of 'Princes' promised/exchanged in payment [coins/scion] and two of Noble heirs/scions [Princes in all but name] being 'stolen away'. I really like the idea that the Others have come back to claim their prize, and the quoted text may support the notion that a 'promised Prince' may also potentially be a 'promised Price'. Other examples that RR has found include the exchange from one side of the Wall to the other involving Bran and Monster, and Robb who was supposed to marry Walder Frey's daughter as a 'bridge toll'! A special component of being 'promised to someone' often entails marriage..... @ravenous reader has also recently found another example that fits particularly well......... A [bastard] Prince exchanged in payment only to be stolen away by a Stark. If this parallels the Prince [price] that was promised and the Others are indeed seeking their late payment then it's interesting that this example has the Wall coming down. Cheers Seams, nice to see this classic thread back on the front page of the forum.
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF -- V2

    Bran and the three-eyed crow. Dissecting the symbolism on closer inspection of this passage, we can appreciate that the greenseer awaking (i.e. representing the opening of the 'third-eye') is a world-shattering event, as evidenced by the thrice-repeated incantatory 'He's awake, he's awake, he's awake' and the shattering bowl like the hatching of an egg, e.g. reminiscent of the cracking of Drogon's egg which 'broke the world'. Moreover, it's suggested that a greenseer awaking is responsible for the 'hammer of the waters' (the basin of water dropping on the floor and shattering). Hi RR I love your take on the symbolism, I particularly like that passage of text from Bran III AGOT, and had an alternative take on the potential symbolism I'd like to share with you. The serving woman accompanying Bran reminds me of the acolytes from the Cult of the Starry Wisdom singing to the stars atop their scrying tower in Braavos. My reasoning for this is that the black haired women positioned 'atop a tower' with a 'bowl of water' sounds to me like she was water scrying, perhaps trying to glimpse Bran’s future, connect with him psychically or maybe heal him in some way. As for the 'singing' to the stark stars, I think there may be a word play/anagram of the word ‘serving’ rearranged as ‘versing’. This translates as a singing/versing/serving woman atop a tower with a bowl of water, which I think may be a good match for the scrying quote from the Arya chapter. I’ve yet to flesh out this idea thoroughly but thought it worth a post considering you had analysed that particular piece of text. And speculatively it may also add some mysticism to @GloubieBoulga's take on this passage of text that the Three-eyed crow was a woman, a versing woman who sings the song perhaps? Anyway, as I say, more research needed and would love to hear any further ideas on the subject. Anyone who hasn't caught up with the conversation between ravenous and @Unchained should check it out up thread, some great theorizing/chat going on, the quotes I've highlighted doesn't do it justice. Anyway, some more word play in the hope of adding some support to this line of thought....... COINS -- SCION The coins – scion pun is another potential word play/anagram which seems to fit rather well with the conversation you’ve been having up thread regarding children being exchanged as some sort of payment. It seems you have already uncovered a lot of impressive examples where this word play could work, more than my brief research has uncovered, so I thought you may like this idea. Here’s a couple of brief examples that may support this notion…… ---------------------------------------------------------------- I love your idea that the ‘prince that was promised’ is more accurately a 'price that was promised'. Although this next piece of text isn’t a literal sacrifice of a child it is a good example of a ‘prince’ [scion] being used as payment to settle a debt. I hope these ideas may 'serve' as inspiration and I will continue to look into this line of thought myself in the hope of fleshing it out and adding to the already awesome chat. Cheers
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    POEMS (or other sundry quotes) that remind you of ASOIAF -- V2

    Hey there @ravenous reader Awesome job with the first poetry thread, it was a resounding success and extremely enjoyable reading. I look forward to the development of this new version and to reading more of your great ideas/thoughts. Seeing as we have previously discussed your green sea/greensee - weirwood net catch, plus my hills connections, I thought this an apt poem to leave in your new thread.
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Tom Petty -- Free Fallin' -- Bran's coma dream
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Great shout. RIP Tom Petty.
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Foo Fighters The Pretender -- FAegon Miracle -- Birth of the dragons Skin & Bones -- Bloodraven
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Mastadon White Walker -- Self explanatory Ancient Kingdom -- Empire of the Dawn Ember City -- Valyria Roots Remain -- Cave beneath High Heart
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Great band. Ian Brown's solo stuff [also awesome, well most of it] Bloodraven -- Time is my Everything -- Whispers -- Man in the Hills [Burning Spear tune off 'under the influence', favourite Ian Brown tunes]
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    Songs that Make Us Think of A Song of Ice and Fire

    Slayer Dead Skin Mask -- Faceless Men Die by the Sword -- Ned [and many others of course]
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