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  1. Hi 867-5309. I think they do know about the Others. I posted my explanation and evidence for why two above your one. (#10) In short, the Wildlings from Hardhome would have brought the information to Braavos with the Lyseni pirates on the Goodheart. Arya then overheard the pirates talking about news they'd heard on the ship. Arya then reported it back to the Kindly Man.
  2. Here's the video of that green zombies theory. I love this theory and think it has a lot of symbolic evidence backing it up. Simplified, it suggests that resurrected skinchangers would be the best soldier/warrior/person to fight the Others. Jon is going to be exactly this once he's resurrected. It doesn't necessarily have to be the entirety of the original Nights Watch were green zombies. But a certain amount of the original NW being undead fighters (think Coldhands) would certainly seem advantageous.
  3. Hi Corbon. As suggested upthread, there is no hard evidence that absolutely confirms the Faceless Men know about the Others. However, if we suddenly get a scene confirming they do know, it would be no surprise and certainly something George had set up. We know the Faceless Men make it their business to gather information, as we see with Arya/Cat. We also know there are Wildlings in Braavos who were fleeing the Others before being picked up by the Lyseni pirate galley the Goodheart, with intentions to be sold into slavery. The Sealord seizes the ship as slaving is forbidden in Braavos. So maybe some gossip has circulated from the Wildling women and children in the city? A real possibility. But what is a near certainty is that these petrified Wildlings would have told the Lyseni sailor's exactly what they were fleeing from at Hardhome. The Lyseni don't have to believe them, the important thing is they have the information from the Westerosi. Which leads us cleverly to the evidence suggesting it's highly likely the Faceless Men know about the Others, straight from Arya herself no less. When masquerading as Blind Beth, Arya overheard three Lyseni sailor's off the Goodheart in Pynto's tavern discussing the events at Hardhome. The account Arya takes back to the Faceless Men is very detailed. It lacks absolute confirmation of the Others, but I think George wants us readers to put the clues together. It would be too easy for George to just tell us outright, this technique of leaving breadcrumbs for us to piece together is far more in keeping with Grrm's style. Here's that text.... The set up that Arya gets information from sailors comes to fruition. Plenty of it as well. Including, the King beyond the Wall and his supposed death, the ensuing battle fought, the prophecy from Mother's Mole, how many Wildlings were at Hardhome etc. The women and children of the free folk definitely told the Lyseni what had happened to them and why they were at Hardhome. I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have mentioned the Others as well. As for what the Faceless Men think of the Others, I reckon they would be firmly against them considering the followers of Him of Many Faces consider death to be part of the natural order of things and a merciful end to suffering. The Wights would be an abomination to them i would've thought. I actually think they may see Arya as someone who could eventually return to Westeros and fight against them. Cool topic.
  4. Hi @LynnS hope you're well. Cool thread, and I love the great helm catch, brilliant stuff. I haven't read the thread in its entirety yet, but thought I'd jump in and add a couple of insights that some of my fandom friends have caught and discussed in the past. The idea I like the most (@Frey family reunion I think mentioned it first in the thread) is that the old gods/green men/greenseers may have had a magical influence on events. With that in mind my Twitter friend ColinVW pointed out years ago that the word 'boom' means tree in dutch. If George is perhaps playing with this, then it means that when the Knight of the Laughing Tree was speaking with a booming voice he/she was also speaking with a tree voice. This would strengthen the idea that Bran/old gods etc were lending strength to their arm. As for your idea of Bran becoming a knight for a day having spoken to Howland on the Isle of Faces etc. You ask....... 'Isn't this what it means to be a true knight?' One could also ask..... 'Isn't this what it means to be a tree knight?' My friend @Rusted Revolver has written an essay on the etymology of the words druid, tree & true. His excellent essay can explain it far better than I could, so here's a brief snippet..... And here's the link to the essay in its entirety. I thought you may enjoy the read, while also perhaps inspiring new thoughts on the Knight of the Laughing Tree and the relationship between Bran, Howland, Lyanna & the old gods etc. After all, we are talking a potential tree knight -- true knight -- perhaps speaking in a tree voice. I hope some of this is useful, or at the very least interesting, and may support or inspire any thoughts you have around this cool subject. Cheers
  5. Bloodraven is named as the Three Eyed Crow in the Index of ADWD, in the north of the Wall section. I realise this doesn't mean it's set in stone, after all the Index also tells us Alleras is in Oldtown when we know it's Sarella. However, it's a solid reason (on top of any textual interpretation) why many readers may think Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow. It is not crazy and the Index supplies a potentially reliable source of evidence. This seems reasonable and based in actual text straight from the author rather than theoretical back and forth or is he isn't he. I personally think it's far from an open and shut case. The 'BR is not the 3ec' argument has some logic to it, in particular the confused way Brynden responded when asked if he was said three eyed corvid. I am open to the possibility as I cannot 100% prove otherwise. For now, I am of the opinion that Bloodraven is the Three Eyed Crow but will happily concede that there was some evidence if he is not. I'm off to remove those splinters from sitting on that fence.
  6. Foot as root of a weirwood and possible Old One connection?
  7. Nice. Could the cutting down of trees/weirwoods be a de-feeting? Thinking the Andals cutting down the weirwoods in defeating the First Men.
  8. Nice one, I really like that Seams. I for one have always enjoyed reading about the feats of the legends.
  9. A few from Wikipedia after a brief search... Dionysius of Halicarnassus[22] says that the ritual of the Argei, in which straw figures were tossed into the Tiber river, may have been a substitute for an original offering of elderly men. The ancient Chinese are known to have made drowned sacrifices of men and women to the river god Hebo. The Romans also had traditions that centered around ritual murder, but which they did not consider to be sacrifice. Such practices included burying unchaste Vestal Virgins alive and drowning hermaphroditic children. The Maya held the belief that cenotes or limestone sinkholes were portals to the underworld and sacrificed human beings and tossed them down the cenote to please the water god Chaac. The Canary Islands used to sacrifice during the summer solstice, in Tenerife children were sacrificed by being thrown from a cliff into the sea.[109] These children were brought from various parts of the island for the purpose of sacrifice. Likewise, when an aboriginal king died his subjects should also assume the sea, along with the embalmers who embalmed the Guanche mummies. The Celts thought that different gods reportedly required different kinds of sacrifices. Victims meant for Esus were hanged or tied to a tree and flogged to death, Tollund Man being an example, those meant for Taranis immolated and those for Teutates drowned. There are many articles online debating whether or not the bog bodies found in Celtic Europe were human sacrifices.
  10. We think that wouldn't happen because it was a one off event thousands of years ago. Somebody (probably an early human greenseer) forced their way into the weirnet and on entry corrupted it. You mentioned the sexual intercourse as being key to creating the shadows, this is equivalent to a rape of the weirnet, an abomination. But it only happened once, the human (or evil human, not necessarily the very first) forced themselves into the net and caused a defensive reaction from those inhabiting it. Namely the greenseers. The phrase 'the Other's come from the trees' was coined, but I think that is taken too literally. They don't actually morph out of the bark or trunk, they are a result of the weirwoodnet, a defense to it being attacked. Perhaps they were expelled from the trees/weirnet the way Varamyr was expelled from the weirwood tree in the ADWD Prologue. A result of greenseer magic rather than an actual humanoid figure emerging from wood. The invader usurpes the magic and displaces the original inhabitants. The spirits are expelled from the weirnet and take their icy form. @Voice's classic essay 'A Weirwood Ghost' explores this phenomenon with very similar ideas. He was the first I saw talk about this. Alternatively, I know that LML is going to be releasing his 'Weirwalkers' video soon, looking at all the symbolic evidence backing this idea.
  11. Cool chat as always people. Hi Melifeather. This line of thought has me somewhat confused. If we are talking about the Others coming from the trees/weirnet, surely this happened thousands of years ago, before (or during) the first Long Night. The Others were then subsequently driven north of the continent and the Wall was built to keep them there and defend the realm from further White Walker attacks. Those I've discussed this theory (Others from trees) with before have speculated that the original creation was because of an unwanted or forced entry into the weirnet. Thus pushing some of the skinchangers/greenseers out and creating the Others. Perhaps one of the first human greenseers to ever inhabit the weirnet? Greedy for the power that comes with such magic. Potentially an ancient First Man king looking to become a greenseer king? Anyhoo, in my opinion, it makes most sense that the Others came from the trees before the Wall was built. In the interim they've been hiding out, waiting in the Lands of Always Winter (or wherever they hide out) for the appropriate time to attack again. That's my (maybe erroneous) head cannon anyway. Lol. Hey Frey family reunion. Sorry if I've missed something, but why wouldn't they have longswords and armor? They are masters of ice magic (George said they can do great things with it (paraphrasing)) so why not copy what the enemy do? (If they didn't have them anyway) There are very famous swords from that era. The first humans in Westeros knew about swords and armor, if the trees were watching then any inhabitant of the weirnet would know what threats the humans bring. Seems to me it is likely they were weaponized first time around, but of course I may be wrong. Always enjoy reading everyone's thoughts on heresy, great work as always.
  12. Hi Curled Finger I agree, I would also add that it was well known Aerys was extremely paranoid about the tourney at Harrenhal. Such a huge number of lords and nobles congregating in one venue may well raise an eyebrow or two from certain corners. However, a wedding or funeral is slightly different, the gathering of many lords and nobles is expected. I think George plays with this a lot. Everyone knows a wedding on page without people dying is a dull affair. (Joke, Red Wedding was awful) but it also gives an author a chance to gather these lords and nobles for a chat. Or to scheme. Mwaahaha. Hoster Tully's funeral is a good example. The BWB were scheming against the Lannisters with many a river lord on their journeys, with little chance for these lords to discuss plans amongst themselves. I'm sure they would've wanted better circumstances than the death of Hoster, but it was nonetheless a chance for these river lords to confirm loyalties and plans. The river lords present were Lord Jonos Bracken, Lord Tytos Blackwood, Lord Karyl Vance, Lord Jason Mallister, Ser Marq Piper, Ser Desmond Grell and Lord Walder Frey's son Lothar. As long as Lothar is kept put the loop, this is a perfect opportunity to chat all things BWB/Riverlands plots and schemes. Another good example is Lyonel Corbray's wedding. We know Littlefinger returns from this wedding very pleased with himself at having brokered a deal with Anya Waynwood to marry Sansa off to Harry. I think he releases some financial pressure on House Waynwood as well iirc. Furthermore, us readers know how dodgy ol' scheming Baelish is, it would've been remiss of him not to attempt to bribe some of the other lords of the Vale while there. He needs as much support as he can get. The lords declarant and other nobles of the Vale present were Lord Belmore, Lady Waynwood, the Knight of Ninestars, Lord Waxley, Lord Grafton and Lord Lynderly. A fine opportunity indeed for Petyr to blackmail/buy off some of the nobles he desperately needs support from. Exactly. Where there is a gathering of these important players there is always something going on. I like the idea that Barbrey is lying to Theon, while actually supporting the Stark cause. And for that matter the northern alliance evidenced by Manderly. Nice. Not heard this idea before, I like it very much.
  13. Same here, Sam's arc is one of the things I'm most looking forward to in TWOW. Not thought about Sam entering people's dreams before, that would be awesome. I'm keen to see what will come of his relationship with Alleras and Pate, especially Pate. If, as is highly likely, Pate is in fact Jaqen, then Sam may form a friendship with a faceless man. Jaqen/Pate may take a particular interest in Sam if he starts to show some of the knowledge or talents we are speculating about in this thread. They are tending the ravens together iirc, so perhaps that may be a way to impress Jaqen/Pate. Sam has been teaching the ravens to speak on the Wall, and we know the ravens (with greenseers in their skin) used to speak to relay messages in ancient days. Could Bran somehow contact Sam, or Sam teach raven/Bran to speak? Alleras seems important as well. She (he) was really nice to Sam and knows about the magic of the glass candle. I can see Alleras guiding Sam somewhat, he was after all told to keep some of his more fantastical news away from the ears of the archmaesters. Hopefully (s)he'll be Samwell's Jon Snow at the Citadel.
  14. Perhaps. Although Marwyn saw Sam in the glass candle, therefore there's huge potential for the glass candle to show whoever's looking some of the horrors occurring up north too.
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