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  1. Of course she has business discussing political matters. She is the ranking person left in camp. If she is like any other queen or first lady, she has projects and ideas close to her heart, and we know she has arranged appointments. Eddard has commented on the number of Lannisters and their vassals in government. I have absolutely no problem with the meeting. As for the meeting with Sansa and Arya, she can meet them tomorrow. Sansa isn't likely to be insulted by the delay, and if she turns out to be, well, that's good info to know The text in GOT said that Lysa had accused the Lannisters of her murder, which she did, falsely. He was murdered, though. The text says that everyone assumes that Jon is Ned's bastard, not that he actually is. In this case, we read the actual events as they are occurring. And there is nothing in the text suggesting anything nefarious or malicious on the parts of Cersei or Joffrey. You missed my point - again. George is perfectly capable of putting words in somebody's mouth if he wants to. Given that they have responsibility for security, both Jory and Barristan are well-placed to ask why two children are out alone. That they (or anyone else) don't say anything suggests that George doesn't consider it important.
  2. I hope you aren't suggesting Cersei sent her golden boy into the dangerous countryside to be killed or robbed. I am perfectly willing to accept that the adults were wildly negligent and Joffrey reckless with regards to their ride through the countryside. So what? Even if they were, there is no reason to believe that there was anything nefarious or malicious going on Cersei has constantly resented her being kept out of political matters. She would jump at the chance to spend some quality time with 2 councilors to discuss affairs of the realm. Her meeting with Sansa and Arya can wait until tomorrow. Telling Joffrey to entertain Sansa hardly seems exceptional. They are betrothed, after all. Probably figured they would spend the time wandering through camp. Yeah, Sandor should have been with them, but Joffrey sent him away. He can't be there 24/7. As for Joffrey, he just wants to have a good time with his betrothed and get her to like him. And it is just like Joffrey to blithely break every rule in the books, just because he can. He wants to have fun and no silly rules are going to stop him. All this is what the text says happened. There is no reason to believe in rape attempts, assassination attempts, or the like. And the Hound didn't get into trouble because he was placed off duty; in Cersei's presence, if I recall correctly. Of course, George has also apparently decided that none of the characters actually cares about the fact that two children went riding alone into the Riverlands (among the safest parts of the realm, at that time). Therefore, I have decided that I don't really care, either. If you have solid evidence of nefarious or malicious activity on anybody's part, please present it. But I refuse to assume that their breaking the rules means anything more than the fact that rules were broken, and everybody moved on. By the way, your examples of secrets revealed without hints are unconvincing. Arryn's death was an ongoing mystery that consumed much of the first book, and was frequently mentioned in the next two books. And Sybelle had no knowledge, much less involvement, in the Red Wedding, although she was plotting with Tywin about her daughter's marriage, something that was apparent early on.
  3. Jeyne makes an appearance is SOS, although she is not identified. Not sure why Sansa doesn't ask about her. It is widely speculated that Jeyne will have an effect on Sansa's story in the future.
  4. I do not claim to have read George's mind. I have, however, read the books. And he is quite good at giving hints to important stuff. He disguises them, and scatters them to make them difficult to find, but they are there. And if something is wrong, he doesn't assume we have outside knowledge; he has a character think or say something indicating it is wrong. We have nothing like that here. Barron Trump carrying a pistol and riding a motorcycle, perhaps. No $100 bills, though. They weren't that well-dressed. Anything he couldn't scare off, he could outrun, and anything he couldn't outrun, he could scare off. Between Joffrey's sword and two fast horses, they could probably handle anything that came up, which given the proximity of the King's column, would be unlikely anyway. No peasant or outlaw wants that kind of trouble.
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    Yoren's death.

    Littlefinger wanted Ned dead, and Joffrey obliged. My point was that Ned isn't going to slip away and start fighting against the Lannisters or anything like that. He's going to go to the Wall or die trying. He's that kind of guy. For better or worse.
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    Yoren's death.

    The only way Ned's not going to make it to the Wall is if he dies en route. If he makes a solemn promise, takes an oath to do so, he isn't going to renege on it. Ned simply isn't that sort of person. I don't know why Varys (if it was Varys) would take Gendry to Yoren, but I think it was also Varys who provided the funds for his apprenticeship. So it may be that he promised someone he would take are of Gendry and is simply keeping it. And, really, it costs him little to keep Gendry safe, in this case. Plus it puts a spoke in Cersei's wheels, an added bonus.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    I'm perfectly happy to cross his name off. I'm not sure I ever really considered it seriously. To be honest, I have no idea who it might be, if not Hal Mollis, unless it is somebody completely out of left field that hasn't even been considered. At the time Benjen disappeared, Winterfell was in secure hands, and there was no indication that it ever wouldn't be. Therefore, I think Benjen's disappearance was for other reasons. I still think it is something to do with the others, and we will see some sign of him in TWOW (if it ever comes)
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    LF, Sansa and the Vale

    He first showed interest in her at the Hand's tourney in AGOT, when he commented to her that she had the Tully look. I think he considers her to be his protege, and most likely his future wife, a sort of Catelyn substitute. Sansa is not exactly safe, but then she never has been, at least since her father's arrest. I think she will learn what she can from Littlefinger, and then take him down, or out entirely, once she realizes what he has done, and how much of a threat he really is. Let's face it, the man's got a closet full of skeletons, any one of which could come tumbling out, probably at the worst possible moment. Between the dagger affair, his betrayal of Ned at his arrest, his treatment of Jeyne Poole, her father's execution (probably instigated by LF), his (probable) poisoning of Sweetrobin, the virtual certainty he is planning to kill Harry the Heir, and who knows what else, something will come out that seriously pisses her off and makes her realize what a rotter he really is.
  9. You know who else isn't a parent? Some guy by the name of George R.R. Martin. And the fact that Barristan and Jory, who have ultimate responsibility for the security of the respective families, say and do nothing suggests what they think of the whole episode. That it is insignificant. Nobody even asks in passing, "What were they doing out there anyway?". And if George were going to have this matter, he would have had someone say something. Storywise, yes they are disconnected. They could have come across Arya by any means. The show skips the ride, and it is not missed in the least. I seem to recall that George has mentioned in interviews that children in the past had far greater autonomy and self-reliance than today. And that in the middle ages they did a lot of things they couldn't do today.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    I don't really have a good idea as to who the Hooded Man is, but I suspect that it is somebody Theon recognizes and knows doesn't belong there. I tend to go back and forth between Hal Mollis and Septon Chayle (who got tossed down the well, but might have swum to safety). I also like Howland Reed as a possibility, and even Benjen sometimes. With regard to Benjen, though, I think he is elsewhere. My own feeling is that he is doing something to do with the Others, either spying on them, negotiating with them, or held prisoner. I think Davos might run into him, as I don't believe he is going to simply go to Skagos and return with Rickon. I think he will end up at Hardhome, and subsequently the Far North.
  11. Given that this is a fantasy novel, and not a historical novel about the middle ages, I am not going to insist on strict realism, merely a reasonable level of plausibility. So, do I think it is plausible that Cersei, who chafes at being denied power, would want to meet with two powerful men? Absolutely I do. Do I think it is plausible that she would allow her 12 y.o. son to be with his 11 y.o. betrothed. Not a problem there. Pre-teens get a certain amount of leeway, and they are betrothed, which gives even more leeway. Do I find it plausible that Joffrey decided to go riding on his own initiative, without asking permission. Oh, yeah,, sound like the privileged spoiled brat we've seen. Do I find it plausible that Joffrey would want to harm Sansa. Not really. I have seen nothing that would indicate any interest in doing anything to hurt her, nor any reason to do so. The ride looks far more like an attempt to impress her, and get her to like him. I will admit I find the catspaw explanation somewhat unsatisfying, but I find other explanations even worse. The idea that Littlefinger would rely on Joffrey to something like this without oversight it ridiculous. Way too much danger of something going wrong. He is more of an opportunist, taking advantage when he sees an opening. Not really. The wolf attack and its aftermath has been constantly mentioned and had major repercussions. Jaime's statement explains a few things, but doesn't really affect our understanding of the overall incident. The ride through the countryside has been essentially forgotten by everybody, including (I suspect) most readers. As for the catspaw, I don't think we'll get more about it, but even if we do, I seriously doubt it had anything to do with the Trident incident. Given that we seem to be going in circles and covering well-ploughed ground, I will retire from the field until and unless something new comes up.
  12. Nevets

    What are the ASOIAF characters' boggarts?

    Sansa - Having her location discovered by Cersei. Arya - Being helpless and subject to the whims of others. Daenerys - Slavery Cersei - Losing her children Samwell - His father Jon Snow - Invasion by the Others
  13. It gets extensive mention in the first book, and as you mention, is discussed in Storm, keeping it in the reader's mind. Besides, when the revelation comes, no reader is going to wonder "What the hell are they talking about?' It is one of the main mysteries of the series. Are you kidding me? There were hints galore that something was off. The very fact that Jeyne was left alone with Robb is a red flag right there. No mother in her right mind is going to leave two 16-year-olds of opposite sex alone together without considering the possibility of sexual activity. And that is as true today as it would have been in Westeros. And Tywin's lack of concern about the marriage certainly suggests that he had some involvement with it. So? While it adds some context to what happened, it doesn't really change our understanding of what happened that much. Ned was clearly concerned about what would happen if she were found by Lannister men, and given what we know about Cersei, the request was hardly a huge surprise. It does help explain Robert's actions. He was tired of arguing with his wife, so threw her a bone. I suspect that barely one in ten readers even remembers what Joffrey and Sansa were even doing prior to the wolf's attack on Joffrey. I suspect a lot of them probably think they went for a short walk, which is what happened in the show. You are suggesting that an event (the ride through the countryside) which has not been mentioned since and is probably barely remembered by readers, is going to be revealed as something major (a murder attempt) five books later. Now that sounds like bad writing. Something that Martin doesn't do.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Jeyne is out of Ramsay's control, and I doubt he is going to get her back. Once that fact becomes known, the Northerners can act without fear of retaliation against Arya. The fact that the boys are still alive is known now, so they can wait for one of them to show up. I think Jeyne will end up at Braavos with the banker, and subsequently meet the real Arya, and be the catalyst for her return to Westeros.
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    Misdirections, Plots Twists, and Fake Outs.

    My bad. That's what happens when you don't have the books handy.
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