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  1. Oooh, that's a possibility as well. Per the wiki page, he raided a city on the Summer Islands **in AFfC, so he's not too far from the Stepstones.
  2. I considered this as well at one point. According to the AWoIaF book: "ships come from as far as Qarth and the Summer Isles to trade there [in Braavos]." Braavos receives regular trade from Qarth, so the Iron Bank likely does business regularly there as well. If these "strange sails" were from Qarth, one would like that Tycho would recognize them. There are only two cities east of Qarth are Yi Ti (on the Isle of Leng) and Asshai. I believe whatever these "strange sails" entail are something to do with the Azor Ahai myth. This might be exactly what Euron's bleeding eye sigil depicts; or perhaps now that Aurane Waters is officially on his own, he is using sails depicting something from the myth as well. It could possibly be ANYONE just using new sails, but if that's the case, it could almost anyone. ETA: The Amethyst Empress and Bloodstone Emperor (likely equivalents of NN and AA) are from Leng, Asshai (where Melisandre is from) is where the Azor Ahai prophecy originates.
  3. Franklin Flowers reports, "The damned Volantenes are so eager to be rid of us they are dumping us ashore on any bit of land they see." It also occur to me that, in addition to this one galley, there might be more, just unknown to Arya/docking at a different time and area as the one Arya encounters. If so, this could be part of some larger mutiny.
  4. Yes! The amount of rebirths this man has! Lol After the Blackwater, even the smuggling himself into a city via a whaler (some Jonas imagery there).
  5. With regard to Saan and Melisandre being dichotomous opposites, yes, I never noticed that between them before. In ACoK, Davos I - Melisandre burns the Seven on Dragonstone. Mel, the red woman; Saan (in the following scene at least) dressed flamboyantly, partly in green. (That's some of that summer vs winter stuff I mentioned earlier). It's not all symbolism that separates Mel and Saan in this manner either. Saan states outright that the Red Priest services bore him and suggests that Davos should be wary of the Azor Ahai myth.
  6. Some they do, I believe. But this is in reference to the green galleys specifically. I clarify this some in the section with the Victarion quotes.
  7. There's some Aphrodite like imagery going on in her arc, especially while in Braavos. The clams, the association with the sea. In this same scene, there's another ship, the Brazen Monkey, to whom she introduces sex worker whose company she enjoys. I can't help but make a connection to how she's going to eventually get back home, entering from the east.
  8. RE: green There's a gold & green and red & black theme throughout the story, a summer/oak king and winter/holly king dichotomy In this case of the green galleys, I have to remember that it's fleet ultimately carried Aegon across the Narrow Sea and that Aegon is considered a "green boy" and there's (at least in his ADwD chapters) feature a lot of nature and green life. Think the Rhoyne and the Stormlands. RE: Saan I don't think he truly attacked this galley. It's a lie they made up, either with his help or with the galley crew just following along rumors they had heard about him. In ADwD, Davos sees the Old Mother's Son crash in Chapter 9. The Lost Lord Chapter (when JonCon and Aegon meet with the GC and are about to sail off with the aforementioned fleet) takes place in Chapter 24. Saan was sailing towards the Wall in mid to late ASoS and remained there until the beginning of ADwD, so there's no time before the Old Mother's Son crashed either. As for parallels, there's definitely some Nine Penny King business going on, but in a different way. Salladhor Saan and Aurane Waters are an echo of Saathos Saan and... maybe a Blackfyre? Such a team-up also reminds me a little of Corlys Velaryon and Daemon Targaryen. RE: Old Mother's Son The Velaryons had ships named Harridan and Bold Laughter; ultimately is an allusion to Biblical women who were once deemed old and barren having children after receiving a blessing from God. Sarah laughed out loud when she overheard God say she was pregnant; that's what Isaac means it's laughter. Elizabeth and St John are anything example. This is all likely to draw some kind of fruitful imagery, for one reason or another. Remember Garth the Green who could make women fecund? Sometimes it's just there to be one part of a dichotomy... I recall though that Aurane's dromonds (yes, I'm calling them his lol) are half Lannister-named ships (one with a figure head of Cersei) and the other half Tyrell-named, so more green and gold imagery. Again, all of this is a nod towards supporting Aegon, who'll be the new team "Green" in the Dance 2.0.
  9. Throughout the years, I've had the opportunity to re-read the series multiple times. Whether cumulative or character-specific re-reads, I've always come back with something rewarding. Forgotten or unnoticed symbolism, imagery, subplots, connections, or just new perspectives that I gain as I get older. Having spent so much time towards the books, though, I thought I couldn't come across anything really significant and new. Until my most recent re-read, where I did. The Mutiny While serving seafood to sailors on the docks, Arya speaks with one crewman who reports being attacked at sea. However, upon close inspection, there's something about this tale that, as Tyrion would put it, "smells worse than week-old fish." The scene is as follows. Two things in particular raise my suspicion. First is the contradiction in details about the attack. The crew "got away" BUT somehow still lost their captain. One doesn't retreat from a fight and yet still lose the leader anyway. I looked deeper and uncovered a second piece of contradictory information. Saan's Old Mother's Son, the supposed guilty ship, sunk before this supposed attack could have taken place. This particular piece of information is no hear-say. Davos sees Old Mother's Son crash onto the shores of Skagos with his own eyes. What I believe we're seeing is evidence of a mutiny. The details around the attack are murky, the ship named cannot be correct, and then there's the choice to sail to Braavos. Volantene ships are commanded by slavers, but operated by slaves. This Volantene galley doesn't sail to Tyrosh, or to Myr, or to Pentos which are still closer. No, they sail to the northern most of the Free Cities - to Braavos. That is, to the city with a stern reputation of anti-slavery. To the one and only city that would empathize and potentially protect such a crew who had committed mutiny if their reason were to free themselves from bondage. Further Implications I.) We can infer where Victarion, the Golden Company, and potentially Saan intersect in Volantis by examining Victarion and JonCon's ADwD chapters. So, let's take a closer look! We know where this green galley was originally heading: it's one of the Volantene ships that was carrying the Golden Company from Volantis to Westeros. We can infer this because it matches the description of a fleet that Victarion sees when he passes through Volantis. As you read these segments, take note how Victarion expects to see this fleet of "green galleys" but never does - because, unbeknownst to him, they're sailed west, not east. In the firs segment above, note that the description of Volantis is that the "whole city seemed drunk." Earlier in ADwD, The Shy Maid is docked in Volon Therys, just north of Volantis. The mummers are as "drunk more oft than not." From this, and the fact that Volon Therys is under Volantis' jurisdiction and just as effected by the recent election results, we may deduce by this description that the mummers are celebrating those same triachy election results mentioned by Victarion. In short, Victarion was leaving Volantis just as the Golden Company was as well. II.) Something fishy is going on around the Stepstones and it's not just the fish. According to ADwD Davos I, Saan IS returning to the Stepstones. Tycho Nestoris backs up that claim in a later chapter. Pirates and dragons? Per AFfC, we learn Aurane (supposedly) is heading for similar adventures. Pirates and Stannis? Hmm, speaking of Stannis- Golden Company and Stannis? What we can deduce from all these rumors is one narrative, albeit a false narrative: All of these tales are links into a bigger false narrative to trick others in thinking "business as usual" until Aegon and the GC safely land onto Westeros. No one thinks to sail against pirates, who are common amongst the Stepstones to some extent. No one thinks to sail against Stannis, who has no money and is warring near The Wall anyway. First-hand accounts are finally reaching Westeros and Braavos of Dany's dragons though, so these reports are all getting lost within these as well. (I also have a feeling that Aurane Waters might have take up his own sigil, perhaps something involving a dragon? Something alluding to Asshai or Old Valyria? ...Maybe. The "strange sails" that Tycho Nestoris reports could be Euron's, ie the Ironborn that Victarion lost in the storms that broke up his fleet in Dance. Since there's nothing concrete at the moment though, this is all neither here nor there at this time, and just suspicions I have.) With regard to this deliberate spread of information, I can see how the mutiny of the Volantene green galley might have gone down. This crew aboard the green galley was somehow in contact with Aurane/Saan/GC while in the Stepstones and helped spread this false narrative around. (Maybe the captain doing so when asked and the crew mutinied OR maybe Aurane/Saan/GC killed the captain, freed the crew, and the thankful crew was willing to share any narrative they wanted.)
  10. Which temple, and which vision? I don't recall any of this.
  11. @Wintersshewolf a few years ago, I've addressed wiki questions and concerns to @Rhaenys Targaryen. If she's still online nowadays, maybe she could assist you.
  12. Volantis is a slave city. The riot which Tyrion feels is so close is a future slave revolt, with Daenerys as a savior figure. Any potential rival to her would likely not be safe, in Volantis at least. ETA: OP brings up a good point. If these slaves are freed and fight on her behalf in Westeros, they'll likely be about as loyal to Daenerys as the Unsullied are, though perhaps more ruthless as the Unsullied were trained with strict discipline and self-control.
  13. I agree with you with regard to the power of the weirwoods; power is derived through them. A few things though, which I think you'd agree with, TWaH. Bloodstone Emperor absolutely wasn't a hero. The oily black stone is something from Lovecraft lore, definitely something negative. There's a story about this actually. What the BE and the black stone have in common in dark sacrifice. The Church of Starry Wisdom that the BE starts is a cult within Lovecraft lore as well. The BE is likely one part of a monomyth, the same figure told in a different way, Azor Ahai, who killed his own wife to gain something powerful. The dark waters that flow beneath BR's weirwood and the blind, white fish and WW roots like works are also an allusion to Lovecraft. Even darker still, despite being an image of Odin the god who sacrificed himself to the tree Yggdrasil, BR doesn't commit self-sacrifice but rather SACRIFICE OF SOMEONE ELSE (ie, like the AA myth and the sacrifices to the black stone): When Bran enters the WW cave and see BR for the first time, he notes a bunch of skeletons at his feet.
  14. @Rusted Revolver @Seams @ravenous reader I'd also like to add another aspect to the wordplay surrounding treasons/tree sons: three sons. Three sons of Lord Darry = tree sons (darry is an oak) = The Others. The night of the White Wood = The Long Night So, when we encounter three sons, we ought to look closely for any otherizing/weirwood imagery. The Tyrell sons Willas, Garlan, Loras? There's certainly a lot of nature imagery surrounding them and their house. Robb, Bran, and Rickon? Saera Targaryen (Jaehaerys and Alysanne's daughter) has three sons and there's a lot of "other" language surrounding her: she's punished for being sexually active by being sent to the Silent Sisters. She escapes and flees to the Free Cities where she becomes a sex worker. Upon discovering this, her father calls her a whore and that she's "dead" to him. She later eventually has three sons, who put a claim forth during the Council of 101. The wordplay gets a little heavy with her: First, there's the killing word "whore." Labeling someone a whore is labeling them "dead" to a society, no longer worthy of sympathy or assistance from fellow societal members from harm, pain, or death. Jaehaerys claims she is "dead" to him, driving the point across. This death is social death, which is essentially what the Silent Sisterhood is for in the first place, making people like Saera a pariah. Whore/Hoar(e) is another wordplay we've discussed often before. It's connected to the killing word imagery, and because it's an image of a woman locked in a weirwood/locked in ice, there's possibly a connection to the feminist concept of "fridging": a trope where a woman gets maimed, raped, or murdered and is at the mercy of a male sibling/friend/partner to avenge her. Saera is mentioned as having wanted the throne, despite being a ninth child and not likely to inherit. With the Council of 101, her three sons put forth claims - a type of vengeance, trying to get a source of power denied to their mother. By extension, one could also include three brothers: the Tower of Joy was guarded by three white brothers of the King's Guard; and like this battle in the Riverlands, there's a theme of three against seven. (brother/other wordplay perhaps as well)
  15. Bar means "son" in Aramaic and is used in surnames (both out- and in-world) meaning "son of": >Baratheon = son of Theon >Bar Emmon = son of Emmon The "th" in the instance of Baratheon isn't specifically Valyrian. On the other hand... one important thing of note is that, historically speaking, there are two distinct cultural branches of Valyrians amongst the Crownlands: Targaryens and an older wave of Valyrian immigrants. The latter include houses such as Celtigar, Bar Emmon, Velaryon. (Velaryon, in fact, might just be an alteration of the word Valyrian, a cultural identification that eventually became a family name.) This branch of Valyrians left Valyria much earlier than the Targaryens and, because of this, there's a subtle dialectal difference between them. This difference is exhibited chiefly via their names. Emmon is a variant of Aemon; Jacaerys is a variant of Jaehaerys. I also believe the common "ae" in Targaryen names is a variation specific to them and modern High Valyrian AND one that substitutes "au" in other names. Aurane is a Velaryon; an in-world variant of Aeron perhaps. Aurion was a Valyrian dragon rider who attempted to conquer Valyria after the Doom; Aerion is a common Targaryen given name. Following this pattern, we can deduce where Aegon comes from: from Augon, which is a given name in real life. Other variations of Augon are Auðun and Auðin, ð making a "th" sound. So, as Aegon derives from Augon, Aethan derives from Auðin/Auðun. So, there being a lack of a "th" in High Valyrian language but it being present in some names might be a slip up... OR a sound present in an older form of Valyrian that got lost sometime before the Doom. (In that respect, Valyrian would parallel German; Old Norse/Old German had ð and þ, but modern German lacks either sound completely.)
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