SerDuncan

If they change with time, why are you so hellbent on forcing the morals of this era onto a dark age?

Yes I've heard so called canon experts ask me who the hell he was

How many times was that the first night? I agree about the pressure factors but he was a horny teen, she wanted to save him and was interested too, and they ended up in love

Do the wildlings have some sort of reward on their heads, if they are caught on this side of the Wall?

How far are we letting this guy go? That girl is a just a kid and here we have him defending the right to fuck (a child) for money!? We have more than one with yours mister and I've had enough I'm at a loss for words, you cannot be real

It was consensual right? I can't believe some of the comparisons.

I believe that one shouldn't expect someone else to ensure your quality of life. If that is threatened by external factors, you don't sit and wait for that pathetic excuse of a legal system to do good by you. Well there was this joke somewhere, if aliens really invaded USA, people'd call 911 a dozen times and then just give up. After all, not everyone is the tough vet with PTSD like those movies show. Of course not, no one is going to here of it sadly. Deterrents need publicity. But her intent was not that, just a by product. Her's was justice. Heard of court martials for deserters? Don't sign up in the first place if you're gonna cut and run. And the Watch isn't Vietnam with forced conscription drafts, it's the real threat. That bastard was offered a chance to continue living as its servant and he took it. And then ran. Oh that one? It's called A song of Ice and Fire. You could try and read it. Or not if you're so squeamish about violence. Hmm, if that's the case, you're in the wrong forum. This isn't Disney. Potato potato, tomato tomato, You know how it goes. What are they again? Which fairy tales you read ? Asking for my niece. Sure humans have loved and helped their own tribe (now nations and religions and whatnot) as it was an extension of themselves, and raped and pillaged elsewhere. When our basic needs and more were fulfilled, we started lecturing the ones whose weren't on how to live "ideally". Anyone who thinks any organised religion is about compassion must surely be on the same IQ level as the dino fake gang imo. God and religion are not the same. Spirituality has never harmed anyone since it is personal, only when you clan up and go to war in the name of god- what can I say. I'm not the one asking proof when it's in the text that someone bothered to just pass by. Sure, he votes liberal and has never killed a man and slept like a baby. Another day without dying, of course I'm fucking happy, all dopamine and serotonin and whatnot coursing through my bloodstream and nerves. Your what? Arguments, my ass. Repeating the same shit doesn't count. "Oh, thats evil!", Chatgpted a million ways to repeat that? And I was patient for a long time.

Who said daughters were burdens, look at the value they have as an incentive, a commodity, maybe when it comes to it, bargaining chips. Those screaming "progressive", this is called a realistic portrayal. Anyway just remembered, the mountain clans of the Vale are wanted right? And this ascent videogame has one, never heard of it tbh

Another pedophile Maybe we should let child services have a lookie Need any more proof that democracy is a joke? Either we go back to the jungle, every man for himself, else we'd have the likes of such above exercising their right to "freedom of speech". Or you know, a benevolent dictatorship. You don't get shit done by committee. Sure, absolute power corrupts and all, call me a fascist, at least I'm not a rape apologist.

Though in his case no trial would've saved him with Queen Cersei in power, after all Robert would comply with her demands just to be rid of her for that moment, a kid's life be damned. Empathy doesn't win you a kingdom, hammers and swords do

You're their saviour arentya Are you that dumb or just pretending to be? SNOB

PEDO And the realm is harmed by every pair of hands lost. That actually ended up saving the realm/ postponing doom Seen Tarly's trials? What a farcical mockery of justice. Which one do you think is more prevalent? That was a political blunder, not a legal one. Heck, if you're the king who crowned himself, pretty much nothing is illegal. But you couldn't really hope to be a monarch if you allow that kind of insubordination. NOW THAT IS CALLED PULLING SHIT OUT OF YOUR ASS And that PEDO isn't a harmless little kid. That singer Marillion (Tolkien?) is another, in a series of bards with similar characteristics Martin chose to portray that way. He could have shown Dareon to be a criminal openly, but the denial adds all the more to his conniving personality. After all, she was asking for it and she deserved it are the two most common excuses one encounters. The fate of the realm being endangered by the lethargy of a rascal is more than NOT NICE Well, I'm reporting you officially, the sensitive vegan chauvinist. If thats how you view women, no surprises for Arya. IIRC you wanted Sansa to seduce Littlefinger. 13. year. old. Good to know that you'd be a proud deserter. And it's not forced labour, they are defending the realm, not working 10 yos on 12 hour shifts. And there are criminals in the Watch who have reformed in the face of the biggest existential threat there was, not break the vows (if you fucking cared so much, why swear em in the first place and break em like a pathetic miserable coward) and run Duress? That cunt without balls would have creamed to continue living regardless of whether it was hell that awaited him. Oh these scum are now beside you on that horse huh. The poor rapist who was forced to take the black. boo hoo From what we see lately from you here, that would make you cream Deny the horse you snobby snail

I don't really like her fyi, but as someone said, laws are crap; Slavery was legal until a short time ago (near dear history). Apartheid not even decades. The word you should put there is morally, that compass instilled by her upbringing.

Imagine!? Let me tell you something about your dear history, it didn't start 2000 years ago. For the majority of our time here which is nowhere as low as 2000 years, we have killed or been killed. So called civilization has just replaced the sticks with guns, the stakes of need with greed. Get out of your sheltered existence and look at the world for what it is. Bald monkeys taking turns screwing each other. Let me guess, dinosaurs are fake? And there was also something called slavery, the Inquisition, the Crusades and a Holocaust. I'm talking millions of years of primal instinct, not dressing up and playing the insufferable cunt for a few centuries. One generation going feral is all its going to take, all our so called knowledge is just passed down, not genetic. What is seared in is the drive to consume and procreate, much like any virus. What history is that? Made up fairy tales or cold hard evidence in your face? For the damnth fucking time, they don't live in 21st century Scandinavia. Lmao, who do you think I am child None of them bitched and moaned about killing. In fact half of them have kill counts more than Arya. And Daenerys? She orgasmed to the slaughter of hundred commonfolk last we saw her. Now that's a character raised abused and exposed to the trauma of dislocation, miscarriage, marital rape (regardless how much ever she thought she enjoyed it) and desensitized by war and the burden of rule, I'd like to see your worldview after a stint as a Dothraki wife and/or an entitled inbred brat. Plausible causality above all. Accurate portrayal of such a society doesn't include your idealistic bull. Real history began in the caves and if you'd like to go back further, the oceans, not in paradise Nothing better a deterrent than an ominously missing deserter.

So I take it wasn't you on that high horse a couple of days back? Ignoring the fact that you want a 13 year old to bed a creepy old man who lusted after her mother, I'm happy that you came out with all your talk being wishes for several character arcs. Leave the forum, let's take this thread, we are trying to analyse impartially based on text from the books, and not allow our personal desires to get in the way. God, I wish that dear old man would release the next book soon!