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    Why didn't Tyrion consummate his marriage with Sansa?

    I said often, not always. It is acceptable to wed and bed a girl who has flowered. That we know. We also know that most highborn girls have their first menstrual period at the age of twelve or thirteen, according to Sansa's Septa. But, we also know, that, to prevent their brides from dying at a very young age in childbirth, many men will wait until their bride is older, so she will survive childbirth.
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    Why didn't Tyrion consummate his marriage with Sansa?

    Absolutely, the calculation of Gilliane Glover only demonstrates that she could not have been born any later than 96 AC. But there's nothing "approximately" about it. She would have been at least twelve years old at the birth of her eldest son, who was born in 108 AC. But she could have been much older than that at Cregan's birth - 16, 20, 24 etc. There's no way to tell. The only thing we can say with quite a bit of certainty is that she could not have been younger than 12 at the birth of Cregan, as Martin has stated that most highborn girls have their first flowering (i.e. start of their fertile period) at the age of "twelve or thirteen". In addition, she must have lived at least until 109 AC, in order to give birth to her second child (as her eldest was born in 108 AC). However, this does not eliminate the possibility that she lived until the age of sixty, seventy, or even beyond. It's just that we cannot say anything about that, other than that she must have lived long enough to give birth to all of her children. Important to note is this: In the "general Westerosi view," well, girls may well be wed before their first flowerings, for political reasons, but it would considered perverse to bed them. And such early weddings, even without sex, remain rare. Generally weddings are postponed until the bride has passed from girlhood to maidenhood. Maidens may be wedded and bedded... however, even there, many husbands will wait until the bride is fifteen or sixteen before sleeping with them. Very young mothers tend to have significantly higher rates of death in childbirth, which the maesters will have noted. Even if a girl is married at an earlier age, often, the husband will wait until his bride is a bit older than her minimal fertile age. The younger the mother, the higher the rates in death in childbed. Sansa's case, however, is a bit more difficult. A marriage that has not yet been consummated is easier to set aside, and that is the one thing that Tywin wishes to prevent. In order to make the marriage as legally binding that no one can end it (without killing Tyrion), Tyrion and Sansa have to consummate their marriage. But even Tywin shows that it would not be out of the ordinary for Tyrion not to sleep with Sansa again until she is a few years older. "Your sister swears she's flowered. If so, she is a woman, fit to be wed. You must needs take her maidenhead, so no man can say the marriage was not consummated. After that, if you prefer to wait a year or two before bedding her again, you would be within your rights as her husband."
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    The Campaign Guide is Green Ronin's, IIRC, which means they did not use GRRM as a source for their material according to the linked post. So not canon.
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    How much did Ned care about Lyanna?

    On which page? Perhaps the wording requires some tweeking.. Eddard's entry in the app states too that the betrothal was Robert's idea, but that Eddard carried the proposal to Winterfell, where Rickard agreed to it. From the app: Of his siblings, Eddard loves his sister Lyanna best, and when Robert conceives a passion for her and asks for her hand in marriage, he is delighted. Eddard carries the proposal to his father, Lord Rickard, who agrees to the betrothal.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    It hasn't been on Martin's website. But I think people wrote a transcript from the reading. And there are quite detailed notes, of course.
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    The Wiki-Timeline Project v2

    O my god, I had not noticed there was a link in your post.... That would indeed have been a lot easier.. Mondays.... O_o
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    The Wiki-Timeline Project v2

    Indeed. It took me a while, but I found the post of Ran that @The Wondering Wolf is referring to:
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    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    Thank you for clarifying!
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    The Wiki-Timeline Project v2

    For Gendry's age, we have several clues. First introduced, is from Eddard's POV: "The master called over a tall lad about Robb's age, his arms and chest corded with muscle." Robb is fourteen years old at the time, perhaps already fifteen (we do not know exactly when during Game Robb's birthday passes), so we know that Gendry is, in 298 AC, "about fourteen or fifteen years old" (and not "as old as Robb", there's a difference here). That statement tells us something, but nothing precise. Is her exactly as old as Robb, or perhaps a year (or even two?) younger or older? We cannot know for certain by this statement, but it given us a general idea. He is close in age to Robb, who was born in 283 AC. Next, we get Arya, who makes a calm, factual observation in her chapter, describing Gendry as five years older than she is herself (just as she earlier on described herself as being two years younger than the youngest of the orphans in the group; There is absolutely no indication that this is an estimation, a guess, or an assumption on her part). Arya, at the time, is ten years old, so, to her knowledge, Gendry is, at this moment in 299 AC, fifteen years old. Which means that he was born in either 283 AC or 284 AC. In 300 AC, we get Brienne's observations. This is a only a boy. A boy who looked as Renly had, the first time he came to Tarth. No, younger. Renly was, as far as we know, sixteen years old when he came to Tarth as part of his coming of age tour. Now, we don't know exactly how old Renly was when he arrived at Tarth from this quote, as we do not know how long Renly's tour lasted. If it took him more than a year, he would have turned seventeen by the time he arrived at Tarth. Yet, Brienne later confirms that Gendry is not yet sixteen years old: Gendry was the closest thing to a man grown, but it was Willow shouting all the orders, as if she were a queen in her castle and the other children were no more than servants. Being "the closest thing to a man grown" means he is not yet a man grown, and thus, younger than sixteen. Again, this does not prevent him from turning sixteen later during the year. So, in 300 AC, Gendry is fifteen years old or younger, by Brienne's statements, placing his birth in either 284 AC (as he could still turn sixteen later that year), or later. Note, however, that Gendry cannot be younger than fifteen in 300 AC, as he had already been fifteen in 299 AC, limiting his year of birth to only 283 AC. So, what the clues in the text tell us, is that Gendry was born in 284 AC. Perhaps others would like to give their opinion? @Thomaerys Velaryon, @Nittanian, or anyone else?
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    The Wiki-Timeline Project v2

    Indeed, nothing suggests that this is an assumption. So we need to take this as a fact (being 15 in 299 AC), giving a limited range of years of birth (283 and 284 AC). 283 AC, with other available information, as stated in the calculation, can be excluded, leaving only a single possibility. I've corrected the entry. Let me know if you see any issues.
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    No, that has not been described.
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    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    I agree. (Unless, of course, Prentys is stated to have ruled Riverrun before 43 AC, in which case we know he rules Rivwrrun 43 AC). And on the House Tully page, it should simply say "Lord Tully", without speculation on which Tully this might have been.
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    The Wiki-Timeline Project v2

    Sorry it took a while (I was away on holiday ), but I've added this to the calculations.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    No, he did not play Illyrio, but another, unnamed, Pentoshi nobleman
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    Small Questions v. 10106

    My point was that Martin seems to consider his dragons intelligent animals, not "stupid animals". Animals, certainly. But intelligent animals, nonetheless. At least, that is the phrase the report uses.
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