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  1. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Theon was "published" on the George's website. Barristan was published in the back of the paperback version of Dance. I remember going to Barnes & Noble when it was released to read it. A little proof (cause everything on the Internet is true)... https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18631417/game-of-thrones-winds-of-winter-martin-release-date
  2. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Perhaps you have the right of it.
  3. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    No, Barristan I was published in the paperback version of Dance. Theon, Winds was never published. I say no more.
  4. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    The quote below is going to be eerily similar to the situation in early Winds... The Targaryen Kings, TWOIAF Stannis is sending men to hire sellswords, a kraken is reaving, and a terrible winter has begun. The paragraph above is followed by the one below... The Targaryen Kings, TWOIAF Enter Stannis and the Northmen.
  5. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I am putting this in spoilers since we are addressing the unpublished Winds spoiler chapter... aboard the ships that Manderly has hidden up the White Knife. With Tommen fighting Aegon, and both of them fighting Euron, and with tales of Daenerys finally reaching Stannis's ear, he's gonna head south.
  6. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Jon is on ice, literally and figuratively. Manderly has pledged his support, and Stannis ought to be able to able to lead a force of Northmen south like Creegan did to save their damilies from more mouths to feed. That's where Drogon can melt his face, and Daenerys can take his troops to help her battle Aegon. And then Satin, dressed like Prince Charming can give Jon a kiss and wake the sleeper to battle the Others. Ok, maybe not quite like that, but perhaps you get my point.
  7. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    The Boltons are going down one way or another. The George has set up an additional purpose for Stannis down the road. Some think he will fight the Others, but that's Jon's purpose. I think Stannis heads south to add fodder to the Second Dance of the Dragons. Since Dumb & Dumber planned to have Jon and Daenerys lead the aarmies against the Others, they didn't need him to the north, and they didn't need him toward the South since the cut the Second Dance of the Dragons. So Bolton defeated Stannis, and Dumb & Dumber had Jon take Stannis place in that respect. The George, though, still has plans for Stannis.
  8. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    As opposed to HBO's GOT, there is no reason for Daenerys to go bananas to justify killing her off in ASOIAF. There, we will have a Second Dance of the Dragons, in which she can heroically, but tragically, die as she is overwhelmed by three treasons. If it weren't for that darn lemon tree...
  9. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I don't think anything could soften that blow for Daenerys fans.
  10. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Absolutely.
  11. Lost Melnibonean

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    I think Bran will be a king. With Daenerys dying and Jon returning to his watch (or saying f#@& all that and joining the Free Folk), Dumb & Dumber needed someone to be king, so why not Bran? The show, of course, completely cut out the Second Dance of the Dragons, and reduced the Aegon subplot to having the Golden Company sell their swords to Cersei. That ain't happening in ASOIAF. Aegon won't win, and Daenerys will die, but their will be an heir. And I expect Tyrion's arc will end during that Dance. 
  12. Let's see, the ending to the show suggests that the War for Dawn will be won, Daenerys will die, Jon will return to Castle Black, Sansa will lead the North to independence, Arya will sail off into the sunset, Bran will become King of the Six Kingdoms, Rickon will die, and Tyrion will serve as Bran's Hand. Which of these things will happen, and how will the George take us there (assuming he can)? I have never gone in for the idea that mankind will be extinguished by the Others. That would turn the whole saga into a shaggy dog story. Is that what the George is writing? I don't think so. So yes, I expect mankind will defeat the Others. But I think Bran will have a much more important role in that victory than just serving as bait. The George has set the reader up to expect that Bran will be able to summon the old powers to help defeat the Others, and it might be easier to depict that in print than video. Is there any foreshadowing that Bran will be king? I haven't seen any. Speaking of shaggy dog stories and foreshadowing, about six years ago, I argued that the Last Hero tale by Old Nan foreshadows the deaths of Jojen, Hodor, Osha, Meera, Rickon, the Liddle they met on their way to the Wall, Sam, Gilly, and Gilly's baby. Since then though, I have reached the conclusion that King Stannis and House Manderly will return House Stark to power in the North in the person of Rickon. I could definitely see Sansa returning to Winterfell, but not to become queen. Nor do I think Bran will be a king. With Daenerys dying and Jon returning to his watch (or saying f#@& all that and joining the Free Folk), Dumb & Dumber needed someone to be king, so why not Bran? See, the show completely cut out the Second Dance of the Dragons, and reduced the Aegon subplot to having the Golden Company sell their swords to Cersei. That ain't happening in ASOIAF. Aegon won't win, and Daenerys will die, but there will be an heir. And I expect Tyrion's arc will end during that Dance. The George has said that his wife told him not to kill Arya, so I suppose sailing aff into the sunset à la Frodo, would be as good a way as any to end her arc, and it would be a nice allusion to the Lord of the Rings, at least after she takes care of a little business first.
  13. I know we're not supposed to mention the show on this side... but... ...
  14. Lost Melnibonean

    Thank you GRRM for the forensic deconstruction of Dany

    The George doesn't have to turn Daenerys into a monster to kill her off, and have Jon survive. Daenerys's dancing partner in the Second Dance of the Dragons will be Aegon, not Jon.
  15. Jaime, always Jaime... somehow, some way...
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