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  1. J. Stargaryen

    R+L=J v.165

    I can't recall offhand what the advantages of weirwood over regular wood are. Is it lighter, by chance?
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I've said for years I think a blue rose would work well if Jon takes a new sigil. --- P.S. Apologies for the back-to-back-back posts. The forum is being a bit tricky lately, though it may be browser related.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    The rubies made a red three-headed dragon on Rhaegar's black breastplate. How would one even realistically accomplish that with only seven gems? And, what are the odds that six of the seven rubies ended up at the Quiet Isle? Pretty low since we know men were searching the water for them right after the battle. They had come together at the ford of the Trident while the battle crashed around them, Robert with his warhammer and his great antlered helm, the Targaryen prince armored all in black. On his breastplate was the three-headed dragon of his House, wrought all in rubies that flashed like fire in the sunlight. The waters of the Trident ran red around the hooves of their destriers as they circled and clashed, again and again, until at last a crushing blow from Robert's hammer stove in the dragon and the chest beneath it. When Ned had finally come on the scene, Rhaegar lay dead in the stream, while men of both armies scrabbled in the swirling waters for rubies knocked free of his armor. - AGoT, Eddard I
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I think this is actually a cool idea, and am almost a little surprised GRRM didn't use it at some point. Would anyone have batted an eye if Aerys II had named any of his deceased or stillborn infants after the Targaryen dragons, or if Aerion had called his son Balerion instead of Maegor? That said, GRRM really nailed that seemingly small and otherwise unimportant detail. Naming his son Maegor is peak Aerion Brightflame. It cracks me up.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I think this well-worn trope makes sense on screen for a few different reasons; however, we know GRRM wrote ASoIaF with the goal in mind of not being constrained by the rules of that form. Plus, GRRM gave us a template for exactly this type of scene when Robert was on his deathbed. GRRM even made sure to remind the readers of Lyanna's dying wishes. Neither do I. I think a few short words would have told Ned quite a lot. Or, maybe we're both wrong. "Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this son of fire." To that end, Ned kept him at the back of the hall during the feast at Winterfell, and he refused to take him to King's Landing. You might be onto something if you suspect Jon somewhat resembles Rhaegar. Assuming you're keeping an open mind to the possibility of RLJ. There is probably more to "Promise me, Ned" than we know. For example, though I consider it unlikely as well as unnecessary for Aegon/Targaryen name, I wouldn't completely dismiss the idea that Lyanna wanted—expected?— Ned to support his nephew's (very strong) claim to the throne. The Valyrian coloring, too, could have been damning, but for the fact that GRRM provides a plausible enough solution in the form of Ashara Dayne. Then again, maybe it's all a moot point. We don't know that Lyanna wanted Jon raised as he was. She very well may have wanted Ned to protect him whichever way he thought best, trusting her brother to cross whatever bridges he might encounter.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Oh, I thought we were just having a little fun expressing our arguments. Perhaps you are correct, and she really doesn't have much time to get her point across. In which case, telling Ned the baby's name would be an extremely efficient use of her few remaining words. In your version of events, do the horoscopes she's reading come with the romance novels, or are they their own thing?
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    LYANNA: I beg you. Tell no one. Raise him as your bastard. Otherwise, he will surely be killed as a Targ. NED: I understand. LYANNA: You must hide forever, from all other humans, the fact that he is a Targ. NED: Right ho. LYANNA: Keep it a dead secret. No exceptions. Ever. Or else dead baby. NED: Yep, I get it. LYANNA: By the way, I named him Aegon because that's a super-Targy name. NED: Well, it's actually the super-Targy name. LYANNA: Yeah. Well, that's what Rhaegar wanted his son and heir to be called, you know? NED: True... LYANNA: Just trying to honor my dead husband by carrying out his wishes. And, you know, maybe I kinda dig the idea of having my son named after the Conqueror himself. It's all I have right now. Pride and love for my child, the son and heir of my dead husband, the crown prince. I'm dying and if there's even one chance that Rhaegar was right about the prophecy... a son named Aegon, maybe that was a part of it, maybe that was important... one chance among all the stars in all the skies on all the worlds, then I have to take it because it's all I have left. I'm going to die today, but I will be the envy of every woman in Westeros, though they may not know it. Every girl in the Seven Kingdoms dreams of having a son named Aegon Targaryen. NED: I see. But... But how am I supposed to protect him if his name is Aegon Targaryen? LYANNA: -angry dying wolf face- NED: His name is Aegon. There is no way I'll be able to conceal his identity now. LYANNA: -growls- NED: I've studied with the maesters since I was a boy. Learned strategy, tactics and diplomacy from the Lord of the Vale himself, Jon Arryn. Yet, in all my studies I never learned how to overcome such an obstacle. You make me promise the impossible Lyanna! LYANNA: Ned, you ridiculous moron. Just call him something else. Yes, I named him Aegon Targaryen, for all the reasons I said. Just don't f*cking call him that. Call him Hodor even, or Jon maybe. NED: -crying like a stupid little pup- LYANNA: It's okay Ned. Don't be sad. As long as you have more sense than Hodor, and don't call him Aegon, it will be fine. NED: These tears I cry are not for the loss of my sister, but for the loss of one the kingdom's truly brilliant minds, maybe in all of hist... LYANNA: Shut up and let me die in peace. Promise me? And make sure remember that just because I named him Aegon doesn't mean you have to call him that. NED: You're sure, Lyanna? Maybe there is something you're missing? I am not sure, myself. I do not have a brilliant mind like yours to see... LYANNA: Ned! I don't know why you're making a big deal out of this. It's a complete non-issue. You would have to be an absolute fool to believe otherwise. NED: -nods sagely-
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    "John Doe" (for males) and "Jane Doe" (for females) are multiple-use names that are used when the true name of a person is unknown or is being intentionally concealed. Unknown, you say? Intentionally concealed? Hmm. I mean, maybe it's just a coincidence. And maybe when Pyp says to Sam that you don't want to know what [Jon's] mother calls him, that's a coincidence too. Or, maybe they're clues that this fictional character has a secret name to go along with his secret identity. The argument that Lyanna was too busy sick or dying to name the baby is at odds with, well, common sense, for starters. I mean, I guess it's technically possible. But, if I may be so bold, it seems like a bit of a stretch. She wasn't suddenly ~9 months pregnant. She'd probably been planning on giving the baby a Targaryen name for, oh, the last seven months or so. Visenya is my guess if I had to bet. Giving the baby a Targaryen name is a non-issue in any case because even with something like, say, Brandon Targaryen it's the Targaryen part that counts. But we can be reasonably certain she didn't give the baby a northern name, or any other generic name for that matter. If she had, Ned wouldn't have called the baby Jon. He didn't change the name for aesthetic purposes. "Call him Matt, Ned." "Don't really like that name, to tell the truth. How about Jon?" "That's not what I want my son called. It's my dying wish. Swear you'll call him Matt. Promise me, Ned." Now let's really address the promise. We know Lyanna must have, at a minimum, stated her request. There may be more to it, but most of us agree that she wanted Ned to protect her son, so let's go with that. Which means she would've had to say something like, "You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned." But that doesn't explain to Ned why. The most efficient way to do that is with one additional five-word sentence. "His name is Aegon Targaryen." It explains so much while saying so little.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Maybe it's a coincidence, but salt and smoke are white and grey—Stark colors. Maybe Azor Ahai was (re)born amidst a Stark banner or two. Certainly, he grew up Winterfell surrounded by Starks and their colors. I think most fans believe Jon or Dany is AAr and/or the PtwP. At least in the latter case, we are told that the promised prince is supposed to descend from Aerys and Rhaella, so we rightly think Targaryen. It's not wrong, but it may be incomplete. The promised prince is a Targaryen of course, but maybe he was born and raised amidst Starks and the Stark colors white and grey, which just so happen to be the colors of salt and smoke. Regarding Rhaegar's interpretation of "ice and fire," his beliefs about the prophecy evolved over time. Even then, I think most of us agree that Elia's son is not the PtwP. Which means he still didn't have quite right. I personally doubt that Rhaegar ever came to believe that he needed an "ice" wife and mother for his third child. I think he died believing Elia's son was the PtwP, and that Lyanna would give birth to a girl. It wouldn't have been the first time he'd been wrong. Only this time Robert's warhammer denied him the opportunity to change his mind again. Agreed. It's fun to try to figure out these mysteries and discuss them. Ultimately though, he will always be Jon Snow to readers of the series, regardless of what his mother called him. Aegon Targaryen is just his name. It's not who he is.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    Not needed—fair enough. I thought it might be of interest in this thread.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    This isn't what I'm talking about either. The story I relayed may or may not be true, I can't say. I do think it sounds believable if you piece together things GRRM has said through the years about how he stopped reading forums, people figuring out his ending, and whether or not he should change it. Something caused GRRM to stop reading forums, and something caused him to consider whether or not he should change his ending. He's talked about it enough that it seems like he's given it some thought. As I said, the story seems to fit with what we know. On the other hand, the person telling it claimed to be an author, so maybe it's historical fiction.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    This is essentially the story, but it was told by someone who saw the receiving end of a panicked phone call from GRRM to an agent, editor or someone like that.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    You're welcome, brah.
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    GRRM: Some folk got it right.

    I'm pretty sure GRRM has been saying this, or something a lot like it, for years. There's even the story that he had a minor meltdown way back when (ACoK-ish maybe?) because internet fans had figured out the ending. Supposedly he called his agent or editor or someone like that, and another author happened to witness the receiving end of that call. They posted the story somewhere a few years ago, though I don't recall if it was here or linked from elsewhere. From what I recall, the story seemed to check out at the time, but I cannot vouch for it beyond that. Maybe someone else wants to look into it.
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    The main seemingly disqualifying obstacle being the half-brother named Aegon. We know Rhaegar picked that name, so we have good reason to think he was picking the names for his children. With that in mind, we know he wouldn't have picked have picked Aegon for Lyanna's son. But even if we assume Lyanna picked the name, would she choose the same name as Elia's (living) son? It turns out there is actually a pretty clear path through those seemingly insurmountable obstacles. As for the rest, I guess I just find it suspicious that a good case for Aegon can be made when it really, really shouldn't be Aegon because of all the reasons we've already discussed. For example, there's really no case to be made that Jon's name is Daeron, or Aenys, or Maegor, right? And there's not really any reason that it couldn't be one of those names. Well, at least for Daeron. Why not Jaehaerys? A lot of people like that choice, but there's not really much of a case for it. People say Jon might be a good ruler like Jaehaerys, and that's true, but there aren't any subtextual hints—Nor was he Aemon Targaryen—that Jaehaerys is Jon's true name, as far as I know. ETA: I guess I might add that I find it suspicious that there is a good case for Lyanna being Jon's mother when it really, really shouldn't be possible since Ned is the father. That "obstacle" would seem to disqualify her as a candidate for being Jon's mother.
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