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  1. J. Stargaryen

    The Secret to how Valyrians were able to Ride Dragons

    I came up with nearly the exact same idea a few years back—That Valyrians blood-sacrificed family members and shadowbinded them to dragons. This is why Targaryen blood is required to ride Targaryen dragons. And this is the true secret meaning behind the phrase "blood of the dragon." "Blood" meaning family as often as not. Targaryens are probably literally related to the spirits that inhabit their dragons, by blood if not marriage, and often enough both. Yep. Possible bonus points for incest. As you did, @chrisdaw, I noted the beliefs of Aerys II and Aerion, but I was first inspired to this idea by the description of lemurs in AGoT, Daenerys III, as silver-furred (haired) and purple-eyed. Oh, like Valyrians? So I googled lemurs and found something else interesting. Lemures is a Latin word that means souls of the dead, ghosts, spirits, shades, etc. These spirits can also be vengeful and/or wandering because they did not get a proper burial. Which is when I started to construct the above idea in my head. Needless to say I wasn't disappointed when the WoIaF came out and read that lemurs are sometimes referred to as "little Valyrians." I don't remember any other details at the moment, but maybe I'll search for my old posts and see what I can find.
  2. We don't know what Arianne considers "old." I'll say this though, it wouldn't be unheard of for a beautiful young woman to be dismissive of an attractive older woman—35-40—in that way. And that's even assuming Arianne knows this information, rather than is making assumptions based off of tidbits and whispers and gossip. The part that really stands out to me, though, is that men recall what a great beauty she was. That part certainly fits with Ashara.
  3. I suppose that's fair. The first objection is much flimsier than it initially appears. I mean, it might be the disqualifying piece of text some take it as. But for it to be so you have to assume that Arianne knows the truth of that secret. I'm not sure that's a safe assumption since we know she isn't really trusted with that kind of information. At least by her father. Clearly, she knows something. But then the same is true about her father's plans for Quentyn. You have Selmy, a single POV character, thinking of a woman from Dorne who came to court with Elia Martell, who had a secret lover. And, quite separately, thinking of a man from Dorne who came to court with Elia Martell, who had a secret lover. Yet he never makes the connection. I don't see that as an obstacle to the theory. In fact, I see a familiar path appearing before me.
  4. People seem to forget that two princes died on the Trident that day. How about Ashara Dayne and Prince Lewyn Martell?
  5. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    The situation is already incredibly dangerous for everyone involved if R+L=J, so I'm not sure what the point of this is. Do you think more risk makes R+L=J less likely? Jon looking like Rhaegar was simply something Ned would have to deal with if it ever came up, but it didn't. Not to mention, Lyanna and Ned weren't exactly in a position with risk-free options. Again, I'm not sure what point you're intending to make here, but perhaps I'm missing something.
  6. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    It's not really that lucky. Basically, it's winning two coin flips.
  7. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I mean, the risk was pretty well introduced when Ned discovered Lyanna dying of complications from childbirth. So, is the risk that he might give it away down the road any greater because he knows the detail of Jon's name, as opposed to simply the truth of his identity? No, of course not. Those concepts are six, on one hand, half a dozen on the other. Unless you meant to argue that Ned does not know the identity of Jon's father. Otherwise, he knows the baby's identity, which goes hand in hand with its name. Since Ned managed not to slip up in the actual text, let's not waste time hypothesizing how he might have under practically identical circumstances.
  8. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    1 and 2 are basically necessary conditions, but 3 is completely unnecessary and nowhere to be found in my theory. So yeah, I'd agree that it seems pretty questionable when you put it like that—but I don't. I don't know why we'd assume that Lyanna specified how she wanted Ned to raise and protect her son. In fact, I strongly doubt that Lyanna was dictating any terms to Ned after begging him to commit treason. I tend to think the promise was pretty non-specific, and that she just wanted Ned to do whatever it took to protect Jon, and left it up to him to make those decisions as necessary. Although, I have long kept an open mind about the possibility that Ned raised Jon in a way that actually conflicted with Lyanna's wishes, explicitly or otherwise. Here I'm thinking of "blood and broken promises." I don't know that it was just a gesture for Rhaegar. As I've said upthread, having a son named Aegon Targaryen would have been very appealing for a number of reasons. Lack of pportunity and/or motive is not an issue for this theory. But this assumes she wanted it kept a secret. We don't know that. Personally, I'm not very confident that is the case. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Lyanna had hoped for Ned to (one day?) support her son's claim to the throne. While I don't consider the most likely option, I don't rule it out either. She might have wanted Ned to know the truth. I'll say it again, there's probably no better, more efficient way of explaining what happened than to tell Ned the baby's name. And, you know, that applies to the audience as well. Revealing her child's name will tell you who the father is, and will indicate the nature of the relationship. So, it really does accomplish quite a lot, actually. Both in universe and out. Okay, but something like that wouldn't happen overnight, and there are simple ways of dealing with this hypothetical, so I don't really see it as any sort of problem for my theory. Further, it's really just another in a long line of speculative what ifs. It didn't happen. Ned is said to have to visited Starfall after the ToJ, returning Dawn. I thought it was clear that I meant the Daynes would have been in on any such arrangement where they might "come in handy" thanks to their Valyrian-esque features.
  9. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Sure. But in that case, there's no question of whether or not she would have told Ned the baby's name. This is only a possible issue in the event that she has few words to spare. Though in that case, I think I've demonstrated sufficient motivation by way of the explanatory power of revealing the baby's name—both for Ned and the reader. Just as Ned would immediately understand at least some of the most important implications of Lyanna telling him the baby's name was Aegon Targaryen, so would you and I if GRRM said the same to us. My thought on this is basically that Jon probably doesn't look like Rhaegar, but he might if GRRM wants it to be so. If someone down the line sees a resemblance, we can speculate that this is one of the reasons Ned put Jon in the back and appeared uncomfortable during the feast. In other words, I wouldn't use this in advance as evidence that Jon resembled Rhaegar, but it's something to earmark in the event of a future revelation that he does. My guess is Lyanna probably would have wanted Ned to protect his nephew even if he looked like a Targaryen. And again, I'd guess this is one area where the Daynes came in handy. Violet eyes as well as pale blond and silver hair. The Daynes, who originate in the western Red Mountains, would be considered "stony" Dornishmen by Daeron II Targaryen. Their hair has been described as pale blond (Edric), dark (Ashara), and silver with a streak of black (Gerold). Daynes have been observed with dark blue (Edric) or purple eyes (Ashara and Gerold). Despite their purple eyes, according to George R.R. Martin, the Daynes are not of Valyrian descent. - The Wiki Hmmm... Thanks for the recommendation but I will pass. @Geddus I'm sure Rhaegar also knew that all Targaryens descend from Aegon and Rhaenys. Visenya's only offspring being Maegor, who died without issue. That might explain why he would favor the younger sister's name over the elder's. --- Apologies all for the late response.
  10. J. Stargaryen

    R+L=J v.165

    I can't recall offhand what the advantages of weirwood over regular wood are. Is it lighter, by chance?
  11. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I've said for years I think a blue rose would work well if Jon takes a new sigil. --- P.S. Apologies for the back-to-back-back posts. The forum is being a bit tricky lately, though it may be browser related.
  12. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    The rubies made a red three-headed dragon on Rhaegar's black breastplate. How would one even realistically accomplish that with only seven gems? And, what are the odds that six of the seven rubies ended up at the Quiet Isle? Pretty low since we know men were searching the water for them right after the battle. They had come together at the ford of the Trident while the battle crashed around them, Robert with his warhammer and his great antlered helm, the Targaryen prince armored all in black. On his breastplate was the three-headed dragon of his House, wrought all in rubies that flashed like fire in the sunlight. The waters of the Trident ran red around the hooves of their destriers as they circled and clashed, again and again, until at last a crushing blow from Robert's hammer stove in the dragon and the chest beneath it. When Ned had finally come on the scene, Rhaegar lay dead in the stream, while men of both armies scrabbled in the swirling waters for rubies knocked free of his armor. - AGoT, Eddard I
  13. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I think this is actually a cool idea, and am almost a little surprised GRRM didn't use it at some point. Would anyone have batted an eye if Aerys II had named any of his deceased or stillborn infants after the Targaryen dragons, or if Aerion had called his son Balerion instead of Maegor? That said, GRRM really nailed that seemingly small and otherwise unimportant detail. Naming his son Maegor is peak Aerion Brightflame. It cracks me up.
  14. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I think this well-worn trope makes sense on screen for a few different reasons; however, we know GRRM wrote ASoIaF with the goal in mind of not being constrained by the rules of that form. Plus, GRRM gave us a template for exactly this type of scene when Robert was on his deathbed. GRRM even made sure to remind the readers of Lyanna's dying wishes. Neither do I. I think a few short words would have told Ned quite a lot. Or, maybe we're both wrong. "Now is the winter of our discontent Made glorious summer by this son of fire." To that end, Ned kept him at the back of the hall during the feast at Winterfell, and he refused to take him to King's Landing. You might be onto something if you suspect Jon somewhat resembles Rhaegar. Assuming you're keeping an open mind to the possibility of RLJ. There is probably more to "Promise me, Ned" than we know. For example, though I consider it unlikely as well as unnecessary for Aegon/Targaryen name, I wouldn't completely dismiss the idea that Lyanna wanted—expected?— Ned to support his nephew's (very strong) claim to the throne. The Valyrian coloring, too, could have been damning, but for the fact that GRRM provides a plausible enough solution in the form of Ashara Dayne. Then again, maybe it's all a moot point. We don't know that Lyanna wanted Jon raised as he was. She very well may have wanted Ned to protect him whichever way he thought best, trusting her brother to cross whatever bridges he might encounter.
  15. J. Stargaryen

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    Oh, I thought we were just having a little fun expressing our arguments. Perhaps you are correct, and she really doesn't have much time to get her point across. In which case, telling Ned the baby's name would be an extremely efficient use of her few remaining words. In your version of events, do the horoscopes she's reading come with the romance novels, or are they their own thing?
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