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    [Book Spoilers] R+L=J, A+J=T and other theories on HBO V.4

    For what it's worth, D&D said during the "Inside the Episode" segment that only Targaryens can ride dragons: Realistically, I would have to take Benioff's subsequent comment about Jon being slow on the uptake as nothing more than a joke, however; because if Jon and/or Dany know that only Targaryens can ride dragons, but have no inkling that Jon is a Targaryen, then him trying to casually mount a dragon is crazy. So my interpretation right now is that in the show dragons can indeed only be ridden by Targaryens, but that Jon and Dany don't know about this. Someone like Varys might know, though, and bring it up in a future episode; they made a point of showing Varys, Tyrion, and Davos' reactions when Jon flew right in front of them. (I imagine the Night King killing and resurrecting a dragon as his thrall is an exception to the "only Targaryens" rule.) I'm pretty sure Cersei will be killed by the same person in both the books and the show (I think that person is almost certainly Jaime). I suspect that they eliminated the line about the valonqar from Maggy's prophecy just so Cersei's fate isn't as obvious to show-only viewers. I'm still somewhat surprised that GRRM wrote what appears to be such a clear instance of foreshadowing for the death of a major character. He obscures it a bit by referencing "valonqar" a few times without the full context, and only later clarifying that it means "little brother." But an actor saying something on-screen during a 60-minute episode sticks in a person's mind more than a few lines scattered throughout hundreds of pages in a book, so for that reason I think the showrunners didn't want to have Maggy essentially say, "You will be strangled by your little brother." (I know some fans have interpreted this prophecy in increasingly vague and obscure ways, so that basically any younger sibling can be the valonqar, male or female (or Arya wearing Tyrion or Jaime's face), but I doubt those theories are true. I think the prophecy's fulfillment has to be personal to Cersei, limiting the candidates to Tyrion and Jaime. And since Cersei is convinced the valonqar is Tyrion, she would be blindsided if it's actually Jaime, who is younger than her by mere moments.) But you could be right, and I will reanalyze my position when I see what the show does with Cersei and Jaime.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    1) I see this supposed asymmetry brought up every so often, but I don't think it's an issue at all. Symbolism is not mathematics. Jon can represent ice when compared to Dany's fire, fire when compared to the White Walkers' ice, and ice & fire by himself, all at the same time. For the books, Martin indicated that Jon and Dany representing ice and fire, respectively, is one of multiple possible meanings for the title: (There are more quotes where Martin alludes to the title having multiple meanings, including another in that same interview.) And for the show, it's very clear that the union of Jon and Dany is seen as a union of ice and fire: 2) Here is /u/Mr_Freeload's description of one of Jon and Dany's scenes in the Season 8 premiere (although note that some of it could be incomplete, inaccurate, and/or editorialized). The part that I've bolded might be foreshadowing:
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    In Season 6 Episode 4, Melisandre explicitly says that Jon is the prince that was promised: And then in the very next episode, Season 6 Episode 5, Kinvara explicitly says that Daenerys is the one who was promised: (Both proclamations are followed by references to Melisandre being previously wrong about the prophecy.) Unless one believes that the show would casually state the true identity of the prince that was promised well before the last season, Jon and Dany are not viable candidates for the prophecy. But their child could be. When Dany asks if Melisandre believes the prophecy refers to her, Melisandre merely says "Prophecies are dangerous things," and that she believes both Dany and Jon have a role to play. When Jon arrives at Dragonstone in the next episode, Melisandre says: In the leaked Preliminary Outline for Season 7, Melisandre said something even more specific during her meeting with Dany, which was perhaps cut for being too revealing: And then in the Season 7 finale, Jon and Dany have sex and presumably conceive a child, based on the foreshadowing for that throughout the season. If this theory is true, the hints for both Jon and Dany being the prince that was promised (or in the show's case, direct statements to that effect) would not be negated, just reframed: it's not one or both of them that fulfills the prophecy, but a child created through their union. The "prince or princess" part also works well with the prophecy referring to a yet-to-be-born child, because the child could be male or female -- and we may never learn which it is, either because the child is sacrificed in the womb, or because the child is born and that information is simply withheld from the audience, whether the child is sacrificed or survives. (Alternatively, we could find out the sex of the child, but the point is that it doesn't matter.) TL;DR: Jon and Dany's child could be the prince/princess that was promised.
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    What is your theory on The Others?

    That's one reason why I think it'd be appropriate if the last Targaryens ended up living in the far north at the conclusion of the series (or at least headed there once): from the Lands of the Long Summer to the Lands of Always Winter. (It's specifically mentioned that Aenar Targaryen had holdings in the Lands of the Long Summer before he sold them and moved to Dragonstone.) Of course, if the seasons return to normal at the end of the series it might not be "Always Winter" in those lands anymore, but they would still be the lands which used to bear that name. For example, one way this could happen is that Jon and Dany fly to the heart of winter on dragonback and do whatever they need to do there to help stop the Others / end the Long Night. But if their dragon(s) die in the process then it may not be feasible for them to make the journey back on foot, given the distance, terrain, and weather (even if conditions improve with the changing of the seasons). Combined with personal reasons, like perhaps valuing a simpler life more than a position in royal society, Jon and Dany might just decide to stay up there and live out the rest of their days in the distant north, similar to the free folk, maybe even inhabiting some structures left behind by the Others, if any exist. To the rest of the realm, Jon and Dany would be missing. Some might presume they died, while others may send out search parties to look for them, but there's no guarantee they would be found so far north. This passage could foreshadow Jon, at least, going missing in the north at the end of the series: Jon and Dany could go down in legend as the last Targaryens who flew north and sacrificed themselves to end the Long Night. But some might whisper they survived -- "The King and Queen Beyond the Wall" -- and that one day they or their descendants will return... It almost sounds like one could write a song about it.
  5. Yep, here is the quote: The great wealth of the westerlands, of course, stems primarily from their gold and silver mines. The veins of ore run wide and deep, and there are mines, even now, that have been delved for a thousand years and more and are yet to be emptied. Lomas Longstrider reports that, even in far Asshai-by-the-Shadow, there were merchants who asked him if it was true that the "Lion Lord" lived in a palace of solid gold and that crofters collected a wealth of gold simply by plowing their fields. The gold of the west has traveled far, and the maesters know there are no mines in all the world as rich as those of Casterly Rock. (TWOIAF - The Westerlands)
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    Jon Snow's Real Name

    I made a post on Reddit over a year ago about Jon's birth name being Aemon which may be of interest to this thread: (Spoilers Extended) His True Name: A Detailed Analysis I don't want to repeat it all here, because it's quite long, but the post is divided into four parts: Jon Doe - Establishing what is known about the name Jon, and why there is reason to believe he was given another name before that Prince Aemon - Potential clues that the name was Aemon Targaryen (there are still a few possible hints I haven't added to the post, including new ones from F&B) Future Significance - The possibility that Jon could adopt Aemon (or any Targaryen name) as his regnal name, but still go by Jon with certain people The Show - A quick note about GOT and its future (I made the post shortly before Season 7). If you don't want to read about GOT then just stop once you reach "The Show" header. I am no longer "almost certain" that Jon's birth name is Aemon, however. I'm now torn between Aemon and Aegon, and have started to lean towards Aegon. @J. Stargaryen covered many of the key points regarding the Aegon possibility above, and there are more Aegon quotes which could have relevant double meanings about Jon (a comparable amount to the Aemon quotes, I think, which is why I'm torn), such as Aemon giving Jon the same advice he gave his brother Aegon when they parted for the last time: Or this new quote from Fire & Blood: Quoting and slightly editing another comment I made on Reddit: I've also considered the possibility that GRRM may have originally planned for Aemon, or kept his options somewhat open on Jon's true name (being the gardener that he is), and only later decided that Aegon would work best to compare and contrast with Young Griff being introduced in ADWD. Ultimately, I don't think it matters too much. Both names can work. If GRRM goes with Aegon, then the Aegon hints will take on additional meaning, and the Aemon hints will be relegated to generic Targaryen foreshadowing. If GRRM goes with Aemon, then the Aemon hints will take on additional meaning, and the Aegon hints will be relegated to generic Targaryen foreshadowing. But basically, I think it's a toss-up between Aegon and Aemon (and at the moment I'm leaning towards Aegon). It's been pointed out before, but this line is interesting because while Jon thought that after literally being given a sword, giving one's sword is also a symbol for swearing fealty, and the Iron Throne is made of swords. So that line could foreshadow lots of men fighting for/swearing loyalty to Jon because he's Rhaegar's son (and Jon accepting that), but Jon still remembering Ned as his father.
  7. Cannibal's black colouring and green eyes could be an allusion to the factions of the Dance, even though he didn't really play a role in the conflict. Criston Cole, who switched from the blacks to the greens and helped start the war as the Kingmaker, had green eyes and black hair ("coal black," just like the Cannibal, and also a pun on his own name). The tinfoil theory, though, is that: Cannibal sharing Shaggydog's colouring + Shaggydog being on Skagos + Skagos being associated with cannibals + Skagos meaning "stone" in the Old Tongue + Cannibal vanishing after the Dance = Cannibal is still alive on Skagos and rousing him will "wake dragons out stone"/"wake the [great] stone dragon" (This isn't a new theory. The only new bit is Cannibal having green eyes, reinforcing the connection to Shaggydog, as I don't think that information was known before Fire & Blood.) I think the stronger connection is that eyes melting and running down one's cheeks/face is associated multiple times with being roasted by dragonfire: This is supporting evidence that one or more of Dany's dragons will fulfill the role of Lightbringer in the story. Specifically, I think the last quote supports the theory that the Lightbringer prophecy will be fulfilled when Dany's dragon(s) burn down King's Landing and everyone in it -- as a last resort to prevent the Others from adding them all to their army of wights -- especially when combined with this new quote a few pages earlier in F&B: A "dark horse with burning eyes" could represent a dragon, specifically the black-scaled Drogon. The only other time "burning eyes" appear is in a description of Viserion and Rhaegal: "The dragons craned their necks around, gazing at them with burning eyes." (Daenerys VIII, ADWD) A "scourge of fire in his hand" connects with this line in TPATQ/a little earlier in F&B, when Hugh and Ulf set fire to Tumbleton with their dragons Vermithor and Silverwing: "The Two Betrayers scourged the town with whips of flame from one end to the other." (Rhaenyra Triumphant) And "Can you hear the sound of burning hooves? He comes! He comes!!" reminds me of the Stallion Who Mounts the World: "The prince is riding!" "He is riding!" "The thunder of his hooves!" (Daenerys V, AGOT) And the popular theory is that Dany riding Drogon will fulfill that prophecy. (It should be noted that Dany doesn't necessarily need to be responsible for the burning of King's Landing in this theory, even if she's riding Drogon, although she may be seen as responsible. One version of the theory is that Bran will skinchange into Drogon to burn King's Landing, potentially making him Azor Ahai reborn, with Drogon as his burning sword Lightbringer.)
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    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    After impregnating himself, it is known: Tyrion gave a sigh. "But do go on, I pray you. I love a good tale." "And well you might, since you were said to have one, a stiff curly tail like a swine's. Your head was monstrous huge, we heard, half again the size of your body, and you had been born with thick black hair and a beard besides, an evil eye, and lion's claws. Your teeth were so long you could not close your mouth, and between your legs were a girl's privates as well as a boy's." "Life would be much simpler if men could fuck themselves, don't you agree? And I can think of a few times when claws and teeth might have proved useful. Even so, I begin to see the nature of your complaint." (Tyrion V, ASOS)
  9. A woman named Saera in a Lysene pleasure garden brings to mind Illyrio's second wife Serra, who he claimed to have found "in a Lysene pillow house." The fact that Saera still dressed as a member of the Faith could be a hint that Serra is still alive as the robed Septa Lemore -- in which case Young Griff would probably be her son with Illyrio, explaining the real reason she's involved in the Aegon plan, and her stretch marks. Saera: "she oft entertained her admirers still garbed as a novice of the Faith" Lemore: Saera: "there were evidently a good many Lyseni who took pleasure in ravishing innocent young women who had taken vows of chastity, even when the innocence was feigned" Lemore: Saera also had a son who came from Essos for the Great Council with "bags of gold and a dwarf elephant" to press his claim to the Iron Throne, which is vaguely reminiscent of Young Griff with his Golden Company and war elephants. Since I'm on the topic, I wanted to mention this potential clue from ADWD as well, because although it's been pointed out before in other threads, I think it's one of the better ones given how little there is to go on regarding Lemore: In the same paragraph where Tyrion wonders about Lemore's identity, motivation, and relationship to Young Griff, Lemore has changed into "garb more befitting the wife (or daughter) of a prosperous merchant," and Serra was the wife of Illyrio, a prosperous merchant.
  10. 1) Shortly after Queen Alyssa dies from childbirth complications in a tower, this piece of imagery caught my eye: Blue wings beating against a red dawn sky... Compare that to the end of Ned's tower of joy dream: Blue roses blowing across a blood-streaked sky... Moreover, Dreamfyre's wings are specified to be "pale blue," which is how the roses associated with Lyanna are described on multiple other occasions. Both passages also mention "Dawn," the rose petals are described as a "storm," and Dreamfyre descended at "Storm's End." 2) I noticed some similarities between the death of Prince Aemon Targaryen, heir to the Iron Throne, and the stabbing of Jon Snow: Jon is also injured in the throat/neck before this, although it's from being slashed rather than stabbed. Side note: A second parallel to Aemon's death is that of Jacaerys Velaryon, another Prince of Dragonstone and heir to the Iron Throne who was killed by a shot through the neck from a Myrish crossbowman: Although the passage about Jace is not new, also appearing in TPATQ, I see some echoes to Jon's stabbing as well, albeit more faint ones. It's the third quarrel that causes Jace to sink into the sea, just as it's the third dagger that causes Jon to fall into the snow. There are potential smoke and salt references in both cases: smoking wreckage and the salty sea for Jace, a smoking wound and salty tears for Jon. And one account of the death of Jace's dragon Vermax is that a grapnel tore a long gash "in the dragon's belly" (Jon was stabbed in the belly) and then he "went down smoking and screaming." There are a host of other quotes where the wounds of dragons are described as smoking, but that connection is already well known from ADWD and TPATQ.
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    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    1) A little bit of irony and foreshadowing I enjoyed: 2) I thought it was a neat reversal to have three horn blasts signal the coming of a dragon, rather than the Others. The cold, windy weather helps reinforce this connection, as does Alysanne (who would later visit the Wall) experiencing a chilly reaction to the sound. The young Targaryen princelings Daenerys and Aemon being amongst those to hear the ominous horn is unlikely to be a coincidence, I think, given Dany and Jon's presumed involvement in the looming conflict of the main series (Jon possibly being a Targaryen named Aemon or Aegon). If there is some foreshadowing here (besides the Horn of Winter bringing down the Wall), it could be that the Others will obtain a dragon of their own, perhaps an ice dragon or by killing and resurrecting one of Dany's dragons.
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    Dany’s Shivers

    Alysanne's Daenerys dying of the Shivers reminded of Dany's "wake the dragon" dream in AGOT: And later on in Fire & Blood it says "The Shivers took Daenerys at the age of six," which reminded me of the phrase "The Others take you."
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    R+L=J v.165

    I agree. I think this quote from The Mystery Knight is informative regarding how Lyanna could have practiced: "You have not ridden in a tilt since Ashford Meadow, ser." Insolent boy. "I've trained." Not so faithfully as he might have, to be sure. When he could, he took his turn riding at quintains or rings, where such were available. And sometimes he would command Egg to climb a tree and hang a shield or barrel stave beneath a well-placed limb for them to tilt at.
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    Season 8: News, Spoilers And Leaks

    http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/ForTheThrone_Videos_Reveal_April_Premiere_Date I suspect HBO is framing their marketing campaign around this "#ForTheThrone" hashtag in an attempt to make it all the more impactful when the Iron Throne and King's Landing are presumably destroyed in a wildfire/dragonfire conflagration. Which is not to say that a new capital and throne couldn't later be established somewhere else, such as Harrenhal, for example. But in the moment it would be surprising (for the many viewers who don't seriously speculate about this stuff), make for a powerful symbol, and no doubt have people wondering, "What on earth happens now?" A couple of comments I saw on Reddit also bringing up this idea: /u/ThisIsKramerica: "This “for the throne” hashtag makes me think there will be no throne at the end of s8. Help with the perceived twist of it all" /u/kingbdogz: "I'm 100% certain it's a bait and switch. They want people to ponder who will make it on the throne, only to pull the rug underneath them when the Throne is either destroyed or the people we think want it don't pursue it in the end."
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    Ser Osmund was the king's fourth Hand. His first had been Lord Orys Baratheon, his bastard half-brother and companion of his youth, but Lord Orys was taken captive during the Dornish War and suffered the loss of his sword hand. When ransomed back, his lordship asked the king to be relieved of his duties. "The King's Hand should have a hand," he said. "I will not have men speaking of the King's Stump." (Fire & Blood) Jaime hugged her, his good hand pressing against the small of her back. He smelled of ash, but the morning sun was in his hair, giving it a golden glow. She wanted to draw his face to hers for a kiss. Later, she told herself, later he will come to me, for comfort. "We are his heirs, Jaime," she whispered. "It will be up to us to finish his work. You must take Father's place as Hand. You see that now, surely. Tommen will need you . . ." He pushed away from her and raised his arm, forcing his stump into her face. "A Hand without a hand? A bad jape, sister. Don't ask me to rule." (Cersei I, AFFC)