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  1. Maia

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    No, it is actually the opposite situation than what you propose. Jon is the hostage/prisoner who has to comply in order to gain the trust of his captors. Ygritte is in position of power, free to do whatever, but she is attracted to Jon and wants them to have a future together. In your take on Arthur, he is the scumbag who'd have sex with an imprisoned noble maiden and ruin her prospects, while still remaining her gaoler. Even if Lyanna initiated it, she did so under duress. She was a captive - in your theory, so of course she would have tried to gain some advantage + Stockholm syndrom. There is no way that Ned would have admired a man such as this, who used his position of power to dishonor and impregnate his sister and cause her death. Wrong. In Westeros his duties and oaths as a Kingsguard make him less free to pursue a honorable relationship with a noblewoman than a Targaryen prince, whose family has somewhat obscure precedents of polygamy. Rhaegar would have been able to make Lyanna acceptable in the eyes of some - and her children legitimate. Not so Arthur - she would have always been a "ruined" woman and their children bastards. And even in your theory, Arthur had some fun with the captive Lyanna, impregnated her, but put his duties as a Kingsguard above their relationship and abandoned her. Ygritte is not a sworn sister , nor did she have to carry any consequences of their relationship, unless she chose to. In any case, she entered it from the position of power, while in your theory Lyanna was a powerless captive, whose ability to give consent would have been very questionable, and who was doomed as a result of her "affair" with her jailer. Ned also said that the KG were once "the shining example to the world" and Arthur was the best of them, which would have been completely incompatible with your scenario. Don't forget that knighthood oaths include protecting all women and protecting young and innocent, which Dayne would have also broken. Or do you suggest that Ned merely admired his martial skill? Why? The man you describe deserved it or the Wall. He couldn't have been part of Jon's life either way, nor was he worthy of admiration. Jon, fortunately for him, did want to. But his options that first time were do or eventually die/ not be allowed on the infiltration and have a chance to warn the Watch and the North. You don't seriously suggest that Ser Arthur faced a similar dilemma?! And, of course, consequences for Lyanna would have been incomparably harsher - she didn't even get the option of the moon tea and would have been disgraced, had she lived. Sure, we can ascribe anything to Lyanna's laundry list of last wishes until and unless GRRM provides us with the answer, but this is hardly evidence or a satisfying explanation. He also thought that some truths were too dangerous to share, which Arthur being Jon's father just wasn't, at the time. In fact the secrets Ned and Cat _did_ share were much more dangerous than that. Nor was there any reason for Ned not to write to Jon with the truth after Robert's death, as Varys offered. @Platypus Rex: We should care about Dawn, but the current rules don't allow Jon to become the Sword of the Morning, no matter who his parents are. All previous wielders mentioned so far bore the family last name - and Jon wasn't even raised in the family and doesn't share their culture. Nor is there any reason to think that a son of Arthur/Ashara would have had any more "Dayne blood" than a descendant of Dyanna Dayne. Since the Daynes aren't known to pursue the purity of blood, there would have been no functional difference. Nor do I think - and this pure speculation on my part, that rules on who gets to wield Dawn apply in the case of the Long Night. On the contrary, I believe that the Daynes have some secret family lore about the event and the blade's role in it, and that the rules were designed to allow them to use such a fabulous weapon without losing control of it in the meantime. That's why becoming the Sword of the Morning was about more than just martial prowess - though being a great fighter was important, for obvious reasons. That is also why Daynes honor Ned so much - he didn't have to return Dawn, but did so anyway. IMHO, YMMV.
  2. Maia

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    It doesn't fit with Ned's assertion that Arthur Dayne was the best knight whom he has ever known, like, at all! In fact, it turns Arthur into some combination of Aegon the Unworthy with Casella Vaith (who was also a hostage) and Lucamore Strong. Didn't you, in another thread, say that in your opinion an Arya-clone Lyanna (which is a debatable notion in itself) would have told Rhaegar to take a hike, because he was already "taken"? Well, Arthur was even more so! And "seducing" a prisoner, given questionable consent of such a situation - eww. To be honest, Ygritte's actions are also morally questionable, but she was not touted as an example of knightly virtue by the most morally upright character in the series. Nor was she Jon's actual gaoler, guarding him for somebody else - in fact, she protected and defended him on numerous occasions. Jon would have never seduced a noble maid being kept prisoner - he is more honorable than that. If he chose to break his oaths, he would have done it all the way and escaped with her, rather than betraying both his oaths and his love, like you postulate about Arthur. Jon was attracted to Ygritte, but he began sleeping with her with her only because he had to. There was zero reason not to tell Cat if Jon was Arthur's and Lyanna's. Sheltering such a child wasn't treason, even if it may have been a good idea to keep his origins secret from Robert, at least early on. For that matter, there was no reason to keep Jon as isolated in WF as Ned did, instead of fostering him out in the North, sending him to one of the bannermen once Ned went south to be Hand, etc., as neither family was interested in publicizing his origins. What evidence? That the Sword of the Morning is traditionally a knight of House Dayne? Well, giving Jon a Dayne parent wouldn't make him one anyway, would it? Jon was being kept out of the way of the royal party during their visit. He _thought_ that Cat was the one who ordered it, but it is more likely that Ned was behind it instead. And Ned's pretext for not wanting to take Jon with him to court was rather flimsy and not completely truthful, as both historically and during the series itself bastards very much came to court or were supposed to - like with 2 natural sons of Garth Tyrell. In fact, it was Ned's best chance to find Jon a good place in the world far away from any possible competition with Cat's children. Instead, Ned refused to take Jon along, didn't even consider fostering him to one of his nobles until the boy came of age - as was customary, nor did he think to send him on an extended visit to his maternal family, but after a brief internal struggle agreed to send him to NW, lamenting all the way that the boy was too young. Where Jon was shunned anyway, to begin with! That's some crappy performance as a father right there. Also, keeping Jon's parentage secret from both himself and Cat was selfish and cruel. Ditto not fostering Jon (and Robb) out at the proper age, not arranging anything whatsoever for his future, etc. Oh, and let's not forget how Ned either knocked up and abandoned Ashara after Harrenhal, despite having more than enough time to marry her after she became pregnant, or somehow met and slept with her during the war, damaging her prospects either way. And how his taking away Jon supposedly prompted her suicide. Not to mention that bastards have it better in Dorne, so why take Jon north at all, if he likely would have been happier with his maternal family? Basically, all told if N+A=J, then Ned was a massive, selfish jerk, who was cruel to Ashara, Jon and Cat.
  3. Maia

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    Absolutely. And, frankly, that would have made Ned quite shitty towards Ashara too. Now that we know that he had more than enough time to marry her before Brandon indulged in his feat of idiocy, the initial impression of tragic, star-crossed lovers separated by cruel fate has become completely untenable.
  4. Maia

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    If Jon is a bastard of a Dayne, it won't give him any right to Dawn under the current rules anyway, as he doesn't have the family name. As a result, there is no need for all the theory-crafting contortions necessary to provide him with a Dayne parent. Since the Daynes don't practice incest, "purity of blood" considerations don't come into it either, so again a Dayne parent would be completely superfluous for the purpose of getting the sword. So, no. Having said that, I do believe that Jon will wield Dawn. But the rules restricting the sword to the members of House Dayne are going to become obselete with the coming of the Long Night. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if search for the wielder capable of unlocking the blade's full potential in such a case is a part of the secret lore of the Daynes. As an aside, I'll never understand why so many people want Ned to be the jerk who had knocked up and abandoned Ashara. After WoIaF we know that there was at least half a year between the tourney of Harrenhal and Brandon's arrest - more than enough time for Ned, who was free of any obligations, to propose to Ashara, if he so chose. No tragic romance there, just a tawdry one-night stand or worse, a young noblewoman "ruined" by a dude who just wanted some fun, but wasn't interested in taking any responsibility for the consequences.
  5. Maia

    Please explain Ramsay and the Pink Letter.

    This could only happen if Ramsey had the preservation sense of a lemming and Roose finally saw the need to get rid of him. Because both the Freys - what with Roose openly talking about Ramsey murdering Walda's future children, and the Manderlies have excellent reasons to see him dead. We need to keep in mind that Theon is deeply traumatised and hysterically terrified of Ramsey, so while he may accurately judge what the BoB would _wish_ to do, he can't be trusted on what his nemesis might be _able_ to do. Nor would it be by any means clear to the characters that Theon and Jeyne would have been brought to Stannis, instead of hidden somewhere else by Mors's men or conducted directly to the Wall. So, Ramsey may have been fruitlessly hunting for them in other directions, since even the best hounds and trackers are going to be defeated by heavy snowfall. Or he may have stayed in WF, because with Roose refusing to commit a decent number of Bolton troops to the hunting party's protection, they could have fallen to Mors's ambushers. Much would have depended on whether Roose reached the point of writing Ramsey off as a liability. Also, is Ramsey the person who would rush out without questioning the captive spearwives/Mance about their planned escape route first? Not IMHO. In this latter case, he'd have become even more convinced that his quarry was taken directly to the Wall and tried to pursue them - but again, snow storms and Umbers lands lying in-between. IMHO, the Pink Letter was either posted from Winterfell - but in a fit of temper and without his father's approval, or Ramsey just took a CB-trained raven with him on his hunt - as we have seen other people do numerous times, and sent it when he heard about "victory" over Stannis from a messenger. As to bits of skin, what would be the point of sending any? Unlike the letters to Robb and the Greyjoys, there is no familial/deeply adversarial connection between Jon and the people he sent after fArya. Is the person who broke one solemn oath "loyal" and "dutiful"? Various characters would say no. Provoking Jon into desertion would severely damage his usefulness to Stannis as a means to control the North. Not to mention that Stannis _knows_ what the real score is and wouldn't risk giving the Others such an obvious opening as Jon's desertion and resultant chaos at the Wall would cause. And once Stannis does take Winterfell, he'd have plenty of options, what with "Arya" at his disposal - or so he thinks. The clansmen sided with him, why not marry one of their leaders to "Arya" and name him the warden of the North? Such a person wouldn't have enough pull to pursue the KiTN agenda, but would be more acceptable to the North than a southern knight or a Bolton. All Stannis needs is to make "Arya" a widow. As a bonus, it would be easier to convince such a man of the reality and imminent danger of the Others, etc. This, I 100% agree with. Indeed. People are not logical, though. There doesn't have to be an intricate plan behind the letter - all we need is motive, method and opportunity and Ramsey had all 3, while Stannis only had 2. Many plausible scenarios have already been suggested - and you really don't need much there for Ramsey, unless you purposefully hedge him around with artificial restrictions. This is a very interesting observation, to me, because it also touches on Robb's will. What was the point of writing these scenes that way, if the outcome is as straightforward as many/most readers choose to believe? And why were sons of Artos the Implacable added on the Stark family tree in WoIaF, with helpful note that both of them had "issue"? These people would be almost, or, depending on how the generations have gone, as closely related to the Starks as their Vale cousins, but they also would be northerners and descendants of a respected historical figure. Both WoIaF and FaB have a number of examples of obscure cousins inheriting. This last condition is not convincing nor based on anything tangible, IMHO. But the authorship of the letter was never signposted as a mystery - it's contents was, to the extent that a character on-screen (Tormund) specifically questioned it's validity. By contrast, Jon didn't notice anything unusual about the letter itself. Well, with fAegon, it isn't just about some subtle clues, but primarily about Varys's contradictory, unbelievable motivations if he is, indeed, real. After all we now know that Varys worked against Rhaegar at every turn and likely was the reason why Rhaegar failed to assume regency over his mad father and Aegon was in harm's way in the first place. It is implausible that he would then spend 17 years on a byzantine plot to crown the son of a man whom he purposefully helped to doom. Not to mention that knowing what we know now, after WoIaF and FaB, Varys had been absolutely in position to rescue Elia and Rhaenys too, if he so chose. So, yea, he has no cred as a Targaryen loyalist anymore. This is not true. In the face of a hard winter that would only be made much worse by internal warfare, the North would be content to accept a reasonable leader with a Stark figurehead. Heck, if Ramsey had been less of a monster, they would have eventually accepted Roose - as Jon himself pointed out to Stannis. Only children who have only known the long summer give a rat's ass about the independence at this point. We don't know what was in this will - why would GRRM have concealed it from us, if there wasn't some surprise in it? But naming a black brother would have always been hugely contraversial, no matter who did it - what excuse could old-gods-following Robb offer? Nor is there any reason to think, as a lot of readers do, that the northeners are so slavishly devoted to Robb's memory that they would do anything for his sake, completely neglecting their own beliefs, interests, or, indeed, their very survival. IMHO, sons of Artos the Implacable and explicit mention of them having descendants were included in WoIaF for a reason. Or uniting the North is a lost cause, period, because the Others are about to invade and sweep everything before them. They can't delay endlessly while nobles bicker and still remain a credible menace. There is a good reason to think that Stannis's last stand against the Others will happen at Winterfell and that's were Shireen's sacrifice will happen as well.
  6. Maia

    A Faithful Knight in Winterfell

    My take on the engagement is that it wasn't publicly announced until later and Brandon had just flat-out lied to Barbrey to get into her pants and then to break it up without looking like a jerk that he was. He had known that he was already betrothed to Cat when he took up with her, but he wanted to have some fun with a gullible noble girl in the meantime. IMHO, he also did something similar with Ashara Dayne later. So, let me ask you a question - how do you think the northeners handle the training of boys who become warriors? Or do you think that their "armored lances" handle their kit without help? IMHO, the whole thing is just less formalized in the North, but the boys still need to learn the skills somehow. And there is nothing "fishy" about a ward/fosterling being unable to leave without express orders from his family until he reaches the age of majority - the whole point of fosterage is that they are responsible for him until he reaches adulthood. See, this doesn't make sense, because the tourney of Ashford was the only one mentioned in all the books where non-knights were prohibited from entering the lists and even there, IIRC, they were free to enter the melee competition, so there would have been something for Brandon to participate in even so, in the unlikely case that they would have refused to wave the rules for him. There are numerous examples of other tourneys where non-knights competed in jousting, and, in fact, a number of Targaryen princes have only been knighted after proving themselves in the lists. Not to mention that the Bracken and Blackwood feud during the D&E novellas exploded again because of the tourney mishap where Ser Otto Bracken killed his Blackwood opponent. Oh, and while in the North only the Manderlies stage proper tourneys, the northeners also have melee events, BTW, - Theon remembers taking part in one. Nor do you need to take part in a tourney in order to attend. Tywin Lannister never competed himself, as far as we know, but he spectated and staged a lot of tourneys. There is also no indication that Brandon and his siblings came just so Brandon could enter the lists - after all, neither Ned nor Robert did and they were also present. Robert entered melee, which Brandon would have been free to enter even if the rules had been as stupidly strict as at Ashford. Yes, it seems that after Robert's and Greyjoy's Rebellions there was a number of old-gods-worshiping northeners who were knighted for valor, without having to change their religion, and they wore their titles as a badge of honor. I.e. - Ser Jorah Mormont, Ser Barthimus, Ser Helman Tallhart, Ser Mark Ryswell (Barbrey's brother? or cousin?), Ser Roderik Cassel. This may have been something new that Robert introduced when he became king. Note, that this doesn't mean that their families adopted the "knightly lifestyle", as in none of the cases did the younger male family members also become knights in their turn. But they are not, apart from the mountain clansmen, who are paticularly poor and live in places not suited for larger horses. You are thinking about the Ironborn, or maybe about the show, rather than the books. As Luwin specifically pointed out to Bran during the gathering of troops at Winterfell in AGoT, the northern "armored lances" are functionally the same as knights. Tyrion thought so too, during the battle at the Green Fork, where he faced a number of well-armored and well-armed opponents. Robb's expeditionary force to the Westerlands consisted _only_ of heavy cavalry and most of them were northeners. Etc., etc. Finally, a ward is not necessarily a hostage, but a synonym for a fosterling.
  7. Well, that and the idea of becoming true family with Ned. Frankly, from everything we have seen from Robert, I am not sure that he was even capable of really loving a woman. Certainly, like you said, he seemed to neglect and ignore Lyanna at Harrenhal - which was likely his first opportunity to meet her face-to-face. The whole idea that "the love of a good woman" can change a man is pernicious nonsense, IMHO. And if Robert had at least tried to be considerate to Cersei in bed, rather than hurting her, he may have even gotten some legitimate kids out of the deal. It was that, along with the rampant cheating, that cemented her decision to only have Jaime's kids.
  8. Not really? He may have been in his youth for the more bro-oriented crowd and for his childhood friends, but there were plenty of people who didn't find him so, starting with his brothers. She knew in advance that he already had a heir apparent when she married him, though, it wasn't some kind of unpleasant surprise. Yes, Rhaenyra was a girl, but thanks to Alicent's own father, she was elevated to the status that would normally only be conferred on a son. Oaths had been sworn to her by half the nobility of the realm, etc. There was no way to take that back and pretend that Rhaenyra was just a normal daughter. By the Widow's Law one can't desinherit a heir apparent from the first marriage in favor of children from the second. And all of this was Otto's fault in the first place, since he was so focused on preventing Daemon's claim that just public re-confirmation of the Widow's Law in respect to the royal succession - i.e. that heirs of the body come before other relatives, was not enough for him. Furthermore, do you really think that if Rhaenyra had been male, Alicent wouldn't have tried to discredit "him" and push "him" aside? The usual accusations of bastardy would have been employed again - even if "he" had vintage Targaryen looks, as Daemon could have always been blamed, and all the gods help "him" if "he" took after his grandmother Alyssa or "his" Arryn ancestors. I also think it very likely that if Viserys had married Laena Velaryon or anybody but Alicent, Otto would have been the first to champion Rhaenyra's continuing status as the heir, because he always supported whoever seemed likely to give most power to himself or his family and Laena's offspring would have come with the formidable Corlys Velaryon poised to take over the Handship. Not a king, but Lady Jeyne Arryn's named heir did succeed over a closer relative. In neither case is the Widow's Law applicable, however. It only rules on inheritance of children of a lord, not their grandchildren or other relatives - there is much more fluidity there. Ditto with Berena Hornwood - she was a sister of a lord, with some claim at inheriting from her brother, not a daughter directly inheriting from her father. Not to mention that her younger son was suggested so as to please yet another woman - Lady Hornwood, born Manderly and her family, and let her keep the regency of Hornwood lands for a few more years. Eh? Corlys was Rhaenyra's greatest supporter from the start and was visibly proud of her older sons. Really? We have no idea what Queen Aemma looked like, but _her_ father Roderik Arryn was dark-haired, IIRC. Meanwhile, the only Strong whose appearance was mentioned was actually blond and there is also a history of "common-looking" Targaryens being born to Valyrian-looking parents - i.e. Alysanne and Alyssa. To sum it up, accusing somebody of bastardy based on their appearance is slander, pure and simple. A means often enough used in an attempt to discredit somebody, but with no legal foundation. What case? Even if one were to discount Rhaenyra's sons on the basis of their appearance - which would make the whole notion of orderly hereditary transition of power unfeasible, Corlys still had granddaughters through his daughter. Why should a mere nephew inherit, when he had descendants? And why would his dragonrider of a wife let her blood get desinherited? And why would King Viserys stand for his daughter being accused and discredited like that? Basically, Vaemond was a grasping, entitled fool, likely manipulated by the Greens, who wanted to blow the question of succession to the Iron Throne open again. Yea, funnily enough, when somebody steals the whole treasury of the realm, it is hard to fund your army and government and yet remain popular. Who could have thought? Larys Strong was also very good at sabotage and propaganda and made good use of every opportunity. "Dragonstone" didn't turn on her, it was a coup. Relations with Driftmark became tumultious, true, but could have been salvaged, as Baela and Rhaena still tied her to Velaryons. Not to say that Rhaenyra succumbing to the nearly unanimous pressure of her idiotic council and vengeful Mysaria to turn on Addam and Nettles wasn't a fateful mistake - it was. But it took a lot to bring her to that point, it wasn't just a bout of paranoia. Wasn't he the one who ordered the brutal sack of Bitterbridge, even though the general populace there had zero to do with the death of Prince Maelor, and the culprits had all already been executed? Like all Alicent's sons, he was into mass slaughter of largely innocent bystanders when older, it seems. Nor was he popular enougth to take command of the army after the death of Lord Hightower. You mean Varys, surely. Robert couldn't be bothered. Which wasn't the case with Viserys. But IMHO the whole debacle is the evidence that Viserys _tried_ to keep his wife and younger children happy, except for his refusal to budge on succession. They were the ones living in the capital, while Rhaenyra and her sons were banished to Dragonstone, they had been given dragons, even though it would have been more prudent to desist, like Jaehaerys did with his younger children, etc. In fact, it was Viserys bending himself backwards to please Alicent and her kids that made the Dance possible at all. How was this an overreaction? He acted exactly as he warned everybody that he would just a couple of years previously. Well, Jaehaerys mucking around with the succession and not forestalling the readily forseeable complications by marrying Aemon's and Baelon's heirs to each other created much of the issue in the first place. But yes, Viserys was far too complacent. In fact, he was lucky that Daemon _wasn't_ like Maegor, after all, and didn't have the will to challenge him directly. Oh, and I find personal comments like this: completely uncalled for and IIRC they are also against the forum rules.
  9. Maia

    For the record... and posterity!

    1. R+L=J 2. Tyrion is totally Aerys's and Tywin knew 3. Undecided 4. Ramsey wrote the Pink Letter 5. Lemon tree was in Braavos 6. Undecided, but leaning towards Gerion. 7. Theon will die - the ridiculous amount of plot armor and fake-outs needs to be curbed, this is not a comic or a TV show. 8. Aegon is fake and a Blackfyre descendant - so are Varys and Illyrio 9. Rhaego is most sincerely dead.
  10. Maia

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    Actually, Lonnel is an argument for Alys's early death, IMHO. We now know that it is highly unusual for the Starks to aknowledge their bastards. In the 300 years covered by WoIaF and FaB, there were only 3, it seems. And even in the unlikely event that Sara existed, she wasn't one of those, since otherwise there would have been no question about her. From elsewhere it is pretty evident that bastards much more often get aknowledged by fathers who aren't married when they do it, so it is fairly likely that Brandon was widowed ditto. Nor do I see why he has to be important just because he is male. Or why we need a repetition of the relationships already present in the novels. A lot of things came together to make Cat's relationship with Jon as fraught as it was and conversely, if some of them had been different, it may have been better. Depending on Lonny's age, appearance, personality, etc. he may not have appeared as the kind of compettion to his trueborn brothers that Jon did. Also, in something billed as "She-wolves of Winterfell", it would be incongrous if it was the one man who hogged the limelight... FaB makes it clear that Cregan wanted a Targaryen bride for his son, not for himself, and he wanted her to be raised in the North from the age of 7, presumably so that she wouldn't be a "foreigner", but fully share in northern mentality despite her blood. And yea, as others have already mentioned, he likely sparred with the Dragonknight or fought him in a tourney melee. Cregan was 26 years older than Aemon, so a bout between 42-44-year-old Cregan and 16-18-year-old Aemon could have still let Cregan demonstrate his prowess as a warrior. There certainly are enough examples of people still being dangerous fighters in their early-to-mid 40-ties in ASoIaF.
  11. Visenya and Rhaenys sat on the throne and pronounced judgements from it without any alleged mishaps, however. Also, you forget that women had been passed over for the throne twice while Rhaenyra's dynasty endured, so maesters writing during and after the reign of her youngest son Viserys II, had every reason not to insist on female rights of succession, even when writing for her descendants. @Mrs.Grumpy : Procopius, right? @Mrs.Grumpy
  12. Maia

    R+L=J v.165

    Then this child couldn't be the Promised Prince, as the prophecy of Jenny's witch, who is the Ghost of High Heart was that "from the line of Aerys _and Rhaella_" would PP be born. That's why the 2 were married in the first place, though neither of them wanted the match. On the contrary, Tyrion thought in AGoT that he had received the weapons training that his limitations allowed and even posessed an expertly crafted suit of plate armor, which, to his great regret, remained at CR. He had just never trained with an axe prior to Bronn giving him one. Tyrion is also a bit of a "fantasy" dwarf, in that he has relatively long, strong arms, which, when raised, extend beyond his head (unlike Peter Dinklage) and short, twisted legs. Now, both are possible separately iRL, as there are rare dwarfs with proportionate limbs as well as the more common ones with foreshortened ones, but he seems to be a combination of the 2 for upper and lower extremities respectively, which is not believable by iRL standards. It is also not plausible for him to be able to wear a child's clothes, BTW, because his girth shouldn't allow it.
  13. Maia

    A+J=T v.9

    I find it rather significant in this context, that _none_ of successful "dragonseeds" who claimed the 3 tame dragons during tha Dance had been dragon-tenders, i.e. those who had such advantage of familiarity. On the contrary, all 3 were outsiders, who had no previous contact with the dragons. Dany's handmaids also didn't build any particular connection with her hatchlings, even though they had helped her to care for them.
  14. Maia

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Why would fire parasites be affected by cooking? Or by boiling the water, as has been suggested earlier in the thread? On the contrary, these actions should help them thrive. As to Euron, I agree that he got his alleged dragonbinder horn from the captured warlocks, but the Valyrian steel armor doesn't have to come from the same source - he has been a pirate haunting the Essosi sea lanes for decades, after all. Nor is it clear what the warlocks would have wanted with the armor - they were no warriors. Concerning Celtigars, there was never even a rumor of them possessing such an armor - they are known to have a Valyrian steel _axe_, which is something rather different.
  15. Maia

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    This is only a technicality, IMHO. It is difficult to see how either Serena or Sansa, leave alone Robyn could have had that much influence if Alys Karstark, the actual grandmother of Beron's sons had still been alive. Not to mention that the whole history of Cregan's children and grandchildren was less fleshed out when GRRM said this. I also think that it would have made more sense for Sansa to have been Jonnel's first wife in an attempt to unify all succession branches and avoid an inheritance struggle. Serena then would have had a number of lost chances for power - first a match with Daeron I, then her husband predeceasing his older brother and never becoming Lord Stark, then her sons ditto and finally, her daughters being shunted aside into Umber and Cerwyn families. That's a lot of pent-up frustration right there, which providec an excellent drama potential. I thought about them, but IMHO Rickon's daughters would fit better, as it was Rickon himself who was "cheated" of a Targaryen marriage. And also, Cregan may have wanted to give him a sop for preferring his own sons by his third marriage to Rickon's daughters for the Stark succession. Additionally, we know nothing about the fates of Aly's daughters, apart from semi-canon evidence from the MUSH for one of them marrying back into the Blackwoods - which I very much hope gets confirmed, while there is more about Rickon's daughters and the anomaly of their marriages to their uncles in particular, with the younger Sansa marrying the elder one. It just now occured to me as well that Daeron - Serena match would have, in a way, redeemed promises Jace made in Rhaenyra's name to both Starks and Manderlies. There will likely be some bad blood between Aegon III and the latter over his treatment of Torrhen and it would be just like the ingenious Prince Viserys to smooth all the waves in this manner.
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