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  1. Varysblackfyre321

    The cursed libido of House Frey

    Huh?
  2. Varysblackfyre321

    Sam in basic training

    True. The favor of Randyl would in it of itself be worth far more than any money in the bet. I wonder however if reminded these knights of Briene's apparent favor with Renly, I mean he's allowed her into his army. She was a fine tool for the man. Hmmm. If Sam seems incapable of learning how to defend himself, would it just be easier to teach some recruits, some basic math and to read? Or would that take too much time?
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    Sam in basic training

    Not really. He would have most likely would have died, or he'd still be the stuttering fearful wreck we see him AGOT. The Ironborn would simply beat the boy in hopes of fixing him; this is a culture to which does human sacrifices, and loves raping and pillaging the weak. Not really else, she would be home by now, with some children instead of playing pirate. The iron islands like most of the 7 kingdoms is a patriarchal society. She's an oddity herself, one whose escapades that's really only allowed by virtue of being Balon's daughter who found himself bereft of sons. She would even prefer the Ironborn give up the old way(something the vast majority of Ironborn would certainly not do to say the least). Liking to read even among the Westeroshi nobility isn't really weird. Victorien is near the perfect reputation of his people's mores; so much so that Pyke's spirtual leader honestly believes he's the man to which should be king, even if it means displacing Euron(who won the Kings' moot). His feelings upon those who cannot/will not defend themselves is clear; they deserve any abuse they suffer. Because the Ironborn wouldn't have given up on the boy and allowed Sam to stuff his face? I still believe Sam would have turned out a lot more like Rodrik, had he been allowed any self-esteem growing up, Yeah I have to say no-if the reader had been mostly like Sam he'd never have would have been given or retained his family position. Hell, truth be told we've been shown nothing of Rodrick to which shows much similarlity to the boy besides a like for reading which ok, we've seen other characters love to learn, read and value education, and be virtually polar opposites. Qyburn certianly would be one to love to read, does love to analyze things, Tyrion as well. Why not say Sam would likely turn out to be more similar to them if he had healthy self-esteem?
  4. Varysblackfyre321

    Sam in basic training

    So do you concede Tarly doesn't value intelligence and learning less than the Ironborn? I'd like to contrast Sam with someone who's very, very much like him... or rather, this person is what Sam would have been, if Sam had been allowed to have any self-esteem growing up. Rodrik Harlaw. Rodrik's example not only shows what Sam could have been, but it also shows that even the Ironborn have more respect for intelligence and learning than Tarly... the other Ironborns' general approach to Rodrik is loving tolerance and even often valuing him for what he knows. Like we literally have seen Victorien(whose lived and tried to to live to the expectations of his culture and done so with sucess), callously say to a Maestor in his care to quit whining about being raped by Victorien's crew and defend himself-place Sam with the Ironborn the boy would probably be dead by now his intelligence and want to learn meaning squat.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Manderly wasn't there for any of little Walder's more psychotic moment, for all Manderly knows the boy was perfectly innocent, he's saying he needed to die because of the blood in his veins. Feeding Frey pies to innocent Freys with no remorse shows he really doesn't discriminate. Rickard Karstark did murder two boys over his sons being killed honorbly in combat by the boys' family. Manderly already said murdering Frey children is a good thing, I see no reason why him being against any of them being sexually abused is a guarantee.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    From his whole speech on it was best Little Walder died before he could become a Frey speech, and him being giddy of serving the Freys(relatively innocuous Freys like fat Walda), eating their kin he murdererd and cooked into pies. The man is a gross monster little different from that of Rickard Karstark, or Walder Frey.
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    Fat Walda's Future

    Jesus Christ man, the man isn't perfect but he's not a monster and neither are most the northern lords, no ones going to like fat Walda being abused in any way-well except Manderly but he's made his belief of all Freys deserving punishment abundunly clear.
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    Sam in basic training

    Interesting point you bring up I wonder how Tarly stopped this bet then We also get glimpses into the childhoods of Tyrion, Jaimie and Cersi, and they don't describe the peasants at Casterly Rock in general being abused, the people at Harrenthal are subjects of the Laninster enemies, there's little reason to think Tywin or most of his predecessors treated their smallfolk particularly worse than the typical lord. A smart move on Jon's part, the only way truly, to make sure no one obeys Allister is make it so that they're more scared of Jon than the old knight.
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    Sam in basic training

    I kinda find it hard to discern how you could not have meant that by asking this: Meh. That's a stretch. Sam was able to become well-read because Randyl did not restrict him from his studies, by having a maestor teacher Sam should know reading, knowing history, are seen as necessity for the nobility to have. If Sam did display some eye strategy, he wouldn't have beaten it out of the boy-fact he'd probably as seen it as a sighn of Sam not being totally lost if Sam came up to him to discuss a famous battle he's read about gave his analysis of and asked Randyl if he agreed; such a discussion, seeing Sam actually use his intelligence, in the right way, would generate such approval.
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    Sam in basic training

    So can you actually explain why Tarley would hate Sam for being good at strategy? His intelegence? Being good at counseling others(something Tarley himself has done and has been asked to do throughout his life)? Liking to read isn't going to be an odd habit among the Westeroshi nobility-fact if Randyl thought reading books is bad, he would have burned the ones in his castle's library. These attributes, are fine in a general and/or lord, hell most are needed, you cannot lack intelegence and be an effective general, or bad at strategy, and having the ability to depart good counsel as well. Yes he does not like Sam's sensitive nature. The quote shows he does not like a certian type of music-the one to which are meant for coddling(such as lullabyes). Robb planned to name his bastard brother legitimate this make him his presumptive heir till Robb sires a son. Mwould many lords respect such a decree and follow it should Robb die? Probably not. Jon would be a stranger, oath-breaker and much a boy as their last king who proved a failure. Sam would easily manipulatable at this point, easy to coerce, it would not take much for one to pressure him into marrying a girl(not a favored daughter but of the female kin), and giving a house a claim to Tarly land.
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    Sam in basic training

    This is true, it'd be odd if Sam didn't even see Randyl personally settle disputes among his people, provide them justice. You can bethrothed at any age no? The Wikipedia gives his birthdate between 287-290 ad. I would wager, he's twelve.
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    Sam in basic training

    What is true? That if Jon reveals his plans he would be brushed aside as a lie meant to save the babe? He has no way to confirm that he did in fact switch the babes if it's gotten to the point where Stannis is willingly to give the babe to the fire, he would clearly not stop no matter Jon's protests or proclamations of the boy not being Mance's son-and Jon doesn't think Mel could know such a thing and not inform Stannis. It was faulty plan is all I'm saying. Yes, he's done everything he could think of to try to prevent it clearly, but his overall plan was really weak to achieve his goal of preventing an infant from being burned-truth be told I don't see why Jon wouldn't think lying about the Mance's kid being Craster's wouldn't be just as good. The free folk have no loyalty to one by virtue of who they're related towards; they've their own families to which they care for, and if Stannis or Melisandre, says the sacrifice would help defeat the ice-zombies I can see many of them opting to simply move aside, and allow the sacrifice to happen as they did with Mance who they actually had reason in their eyes to be loyal to. I don't see why two wet-nurses would be of any help in preventing anything from being burned. Mel has displayed no apparent interest in sacrificing any babes. Yet anyway. I don't really see how the rest of the exchange supports your premise of him doing this for Dickon and so that his own men wouldn't be accused of rape. The blame can be seen as being on her by Tarly yet at the same time Tarly would still see it as his responsibilty of a lord, to protect noblewoman from being sexually brutalized, even if she is acting like an idiot and asking for it in his eyes. To preserve her honor as well as prevent otherwise Honorble men from commiting a shameful act below their station because(in Tarley's mind), of a young foolish girl who doesn't understand her duties as maiden.
  13. Varysblackfyre321

    Sam in basic training

    Meh, a baby may still just as we'll die with Jon's plans-seriously, if Stannis does decide to sacrifice the "prince of the wildlings" to get the red God' s blessing, what can Jon actually say that could stop Stannis from sacrificing the son of Craster by mistake? If he just comes out and says the truth it'd look like a lie meant to save the babe.
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    Sam in basic training

    Dickon was the one to inform his father of the game true, but Randyl himself didn't say he did it for his son, or out of want to avoid accusations of rape to taint the image of his men(to which Tarly could easily dismiss), and his actual words show he views rape as an dishonorable act. A Feast for Crows - Brienne III Three of the younger knights had started it, he told her: Ambrose, Bushy, and Hyle Hunt, of his own household. As word spread through the camp, however, others had joined the game. Each man was required to buy into the contest with a golden dragon, the whole sum to go to whoever claimed her maidenhead. "I have put an end to their sport," Tarly told her. "Some of these . . . challengers . . . are less honorable than others, and the stakes were growing larger every day. It was only a matter of time before one of them decided to claim the prize by force." "They were knights," she said, stunned, "anointed knights." Briene is a noblewoman for all intents and purposes even if she's acting ridiculous in Randyl's eyes, he's honor bound to try to prevent her being raped happening if it is in his power.
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    Sam in basic training

    The bathing in blood came before Sam's request to be a Maestor. When Randyl was trying to fix the boy. You know the qualities you listed that you say make make Sam worthwhile , being intelegent, enjoying read to read and analyze, research things, strategy, and being good at counseling others, are qualities to which would be recognized as helping make/needed for a good lord and/or general, to which Randyl desperately wanted Sam to be. But on Sam they're wasted-this probably infuriated Randyl more than if the boy had merely been mentally challenged Hell Sam's intelegence probably consolidates an idea in Tarley's head of Sam choosing not to improve rather than him genuinely not being able to. Randyl dislikes the thought of a Tarley being a Maestor because he equates it with being a servent-yes, they perform a necessary functions, but so do farmers, kennel masters, and those tasked with emptying out Randyl's chamber pot; none of which Randyl would allow Sam, to do, even when he decided to pass the boy up for Dickon. Sam(much as Randyl hates it), is Randyl's firstborn, Sam's choices and conduct still reflect upon House Tarly as whole and he'll be damned before he lets Sam shame his house anymore. And honestly, Randyl tried really hard to shape Sam into a man worthy of leading his house-only for Sam to say he'd prefer to be a Maestor-I can see Sam's request provoked such a strong backlash, Sam is spitting upon all Randy's hard work-it's not because the boy is smart, or a good heart, or because he likes to read, being smart etc. His reaction wasn't right but I don't see him as being the Westeroes equivalent of a dumb jock who hates his nerd son for being a nerd as you present him as. And on the Ironborn I have to say @Bernie Mac is right; they'd eat someone like Sam alive, hell I can imagine Victorian(whose near the perfect example of what Ironborn should be), having sympathy for a Randyl, and applauding his efforts to toughen up Sam. Those intelligent but unwillingly to fight or defend themselves, are met with revulsion same as any coward. Hell we see Victorian's crew rape the Maestor Victorian had under him and see Victorien(who does see the use of Maestors), tell the guy to defend himself if he's so sick of it when the Maestor makes a complaint about it. The reader fairs well because he was far stronger than Sam was when he started his training. And, yes Sam's claim on Tarley land can pose a threat, Its not unheard of lords encroaching upon eachother's territory with the excuse being a better claim.
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