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Yeah I'm all over it. Going to make an emergency video if I can. You saw the same thing I did my brother. And yeah, that Yoren quote jumped to mind for sure. We also saw that symbol when Dany burned Drogon - there was an overhead shot that shows it, I highlighted it in my video.

Wow, this seems a bit over the top. I am sorry you feel this way. - I never said or implied my / our analysis was exclusive to any other, not sure why you would take that meaning - the point of sharing analysis is to start a conversation, not kill it. Every single time I comment on your thread, it is because I imagine an idea I have might help you in your own analysis. That's the only reason I take the time to comment. You were discussing something we had been discussing too, so I shared our thoughts about pennytree, thinking you might enjoy them or find something useful to your own inquiry. That's what people do on the forum - not sure why my opinion, couched in qualifiers like "such and such CAN refer to" and "I believe that," comes across as an attempt to kill the convo when you don't interpret other people's comments that way. - "my friends" that I listed were, to the best of my knowledge, also your friends, as I know they comment on your threads and share ideas with you. I guess not? I mentioned them in the interest of not taking credit for other people's ideas or acting like a know-it-all. Unfortunately that seams not to have come across as I intended - the rest of your invective is just bizarre. I'm sorry you have such a grudge against me, for what, I do not know. I'll be sure to leave you alone though! Actually this was a simple mistake, it was a comment intended for a different thread. However I am glad the mistake forced you to show your apparent true feelings of hostility. Now I know better than to try to share ideas with you. I only ever did that because I respect your analysis and your insights frequently overlap with my own. Clearly you do not appreciate my input, so I will stop trying to contribute to your thread.

edit: wrong thread

Pennies can be stars in ASOIAF, and are made of copper, which is a terrific conductor of electricity.. or a good way to draw lightning. The 'lightning striking the tree' motif of the Ironborn legend, the burning tree which transmits the fire of the gods to mankind, refers to (I believe) the weirwoods, whose bloody hands leaves are also described as a "blaze of flame." So, the penny tree is a "star tree" by virtue of the pennies and also a "tree that wants to be struck by lightning." That lightning was actually a falling star, a moon meteor. That is why Dunk's sigil is a falling star and a tree - it's all about this idea of the lightning striking the tree. His horse is thunder, which alludes to the thunderbolt and also the deeper concept of a shamanic horse like Sleipnir, but I digress. This is not just my thinking; some of this comes from @Pain killer Jane and @Blue Tiger and @ravenous reader and perhaps a couple of others; I don't recall exactly but we pieced it together collaboratively is the point.

I noticed in Theon's Winterfell nightmare of the two direwolf children chasing him, all the trees had faces, and all the faces were laughing. It seems like a pretty strong theme. It might be an extension of the "sex and swordplay" double entendres about bloody swords and "giving a maiden the sword when her moon blood is on her" , the childbed being a woman's battlefield and the like.

@GloubieBoulga, weirwoods are also slaughter trees for what it's worth. I'd have to agree those words are meant to play off one another. There's also the link between laughing and slaying implied by the Crescent moon. It can either be a sickle, such as Bran's last ADWD chapter, or it can be a smile like a Cheshire cat moon. Martin is working that angle quite a bit. ETA: you might consider the scene from AFFC where Jaime and The silent knight Ilyn Payne dance beneath the horned moon, with Payne doing his choking laughter thing.

Isobel, I'll reeling you back in from the brink; please accept my extended hand. You're awfully close to the edge there - the edge of madness. Don't slip Isobel! ISOBEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!! NNNOOOOOO!!!!!

Have you guys put together the scarecrow connection between the burning scarecrows in Jon's dream and Beric, the scarecrow knight? Basically, when Jon has his burning red sword / AA dream, he dreams about those scarecrow brothers they made, and in the dream, they are the only ones with him. They tumble down, black cloaks ablaze - like fiery black meteors, it must be said - meaning that they have become burning scarecrows. Those scarecrows were named for brothers who were either dead or absent, so there is an implication of the burning scarecrows as dead or undead fiery scarecrows. That's EXACTLY what Beric is, a fiery undead "scarecrow knight" who also wears a black cloak and who wields a burning sword, just like Jon does in the dream. What I think all that is about is that the original Night's Watch were undead greenseers, resurrected by fire magic - probably he Last Hero's 12 who "died." Jon is about to be an undead skinchanger, quite possibly reanimated with fire magic, so essentially Jon would be recreating what I think is the truth behind the original Last Hero. Returning to Beric, he's not a skinchanger like Jon, but he has obvious Bloodraven symbolism with the weirwood throne and the one eye missing. That is done to imply him as a greenseer (or skinchanger, same diff) - a greenseer who has been reanimated with fire. Who holds a burning red sword. The reason you have to use skinchangers to make a good zombie is because the animal (or tree in the case of a greenseer) can preserve the soul intact for a short time (before it merges with the animal spirit). The animal is a soul-jar, so the resurrected person would not be a faded remnant like Beric or Cat, but a skinchanger who sort of skinchangers his own resurrected corpse. Such a person would be a lot like Coldhands, or a warmer version if fire is used, and they are ideal to fight the Others because they do not need to eat or sleep or seek warmth. Coldhands can live up there for centuries, and probably has. I think the Last Hero and his company had to make this great sacrifice to journey into the frozen lands, to become a burning scarecrow. See what y'all think of that. You're talking about my favorite subjects here.

I'm cautious of commenting on your threads at all at this point, having been chewed out by you so many times for mentioning nay kind of astronomy, but nevertheless, I have a thought or two here. Hell-hound. That's your fiery dog. I have my own interpretation of hellhounds in mythical astronomy terms - they are very similar to dragons in many ways - but if you want to follow your own nose on this (ha ha) then I suggest looking to Theon's dream of Bran and Rickon as hellhound / dire wolf children, and also everything having to do with Sandor, as he is a burnt Hound. You will notice all the Stark wolves have fiery descriptions of their eyes, and that is no accident - I believe all the dire wolves are "hell hounds" after a fashion. Sander's "what dogs do to wolves" quote is misleading in this sense. Thematically, fire consumes, hounds hunt. R'hllor is a ravenous dog god, he's coming to getcha. You've considered Quentyn martial, the sun's son, right? There is a very large theme about the second suns which all of this plays into. Basically, Lightbringer is the child of the sun and moon, and so it is the sun's son. Every single second son reference of any kind will lead back to Lightbringer and Azor Ahai. Quentyn seems like a lame-o, but he is trying to ride dragons and marry the "Amethyst Empress Reborn," just as Euron is, and he does have some dragon blood. It's what you would call a weak echo, but there it is. As for the Second Sons company, their banner is a broken sword, and all the broken sword ideas relate to Lightbringer, specifically to the idea of the Last Hero breaking his sword. There are a lot of broken swords - Ice, split in half; the Titan of Bravos holds a broken sword (who heralds the morning and evening, just Venus the Morningstar, whose name means light-bringer), Beric, a clear Azor Ahai echo, has his flaming sword broken, Joffrey vows to break Stannis's magic sword, and so on. Anyway don't shoot me but hopefully some of those ideas might help you in your own quest.

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@Seams I am always trying to simultaneously identify symbolism and also figure out what it means for the story. For example, the green sea / greenseer wordplay is fairly compelling, but until we can figure out what the POINT is - what the sea has to do with greenseers, what Deep Ones have to do with greenseers, etc, it's only interesting wordplay. I tend to think martin doesn't just do wordplay with purpose - I'm sure there is a deeper truth behind the sea / seer thing having to do with an important part of the story, but I can't figure out exactly what.