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  1. The Ned's Little Girl

    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    No.
  2. The Ned's Little Girl

    Poll: Is the House with the Red Door in Dorne?

    None of the above. In all honesty, I can't answer this question in any of these ways.
  3. The Ned's Little Girl

    Poll: Is the House with the Red Door in Dorne?

    The location of the house is irrelevant, since it's only purpose is symbolic. The lemon tree also only exists for a symbolic reason. The technical details of how and where lemon trees are able grow are completely beside the point. Perhaps you should add "location irrelevant because symbolism" as a third choice in your poll.
  4. The Ned's Little Girl

    Jon Snow's Real Name

    His real name is, was and always will be Jon Snow, no matter what Rhaegar or Lyanna or anybody else might have thought.
  5. The Ned's Little Girl

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    Isn't this topic supposed to be about Sansa's education, not about Cersei and Jaime?
  6. The Ned's Little Girl

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    Well, I wasn't talking about her idealism nor about her perceptions and memories. I was talking about her absolute investment in a hierarchical social structure and her rigid attitudes about what constitutes "proper" behavior. Sansa was constantly being praised as the "good girl" because of her obedience to authority. So, yeah, that was how she behaved.
  7. The Ned's Little Girl

    Problematic aspects of Sansa`s education

    I like most of your points and agree pretty much about the odious Septa Mordane, who I think should never have been responsible for educating children. Although I blame "the system" more than I blame any individuals within it, like the septa and Sansa's parents. But to go into a bit more depth on the quoted portion above, all the Stark kids (including Jon) were expected to accept everything and do what they're told. Sansa was the only one who did that fully. The other kids needed that obedience reinforced; Arya pushed back constantly and Bran flat-out disobeyed. Sansa was the only one who wasn't usually disciplined by the authority figures for disobedience. Instead, she was praised to the skies and contrasted approvingly with her younger sister (for which I do blame Septa Mordane). But that doesn't mean that she was the only one from whom obedience was expected. Exactly. That's the expected outcome (and fault) of a system of upbringing that requires unquestioning obedience to authority. Sansa almost never pushed against the boundaries, therefore, she had no plausible idea of the limitations of the world and the things she couldn't get away with. She's had a much steeper learning curve than Arya or even Bran.
  8. The Ned's Little Girl

    Why marry Sansa to Tyrion in particular?

    I doubt Tywin considered Sansa's feelings in the slightest.
  9. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    Ned cares. His honor is precious to him and he willingly allows it to be besmirched for Jon's sake. And he knows that he's causing pain to his wife - and to himself - but he has no recourse to alleviate her distress on this subject. Catelyn cares. She believes her husband was unfaithful to her. It's painful. Jon's presence in her home is a daily reminder of that, which makes it impossible to put if behind her. Robert Baratheon cares. Because he mentions it. I doubt it would have even occurred to him to think about if it was clear that Jon was conceived before Ned's marriage. Cersei Lannister cares. She really enjoyed throwing that little tidbit of Ned's "unfaithfulness" in his face. So Ned's explicit contention that Jon is younger than Robb resulted in 1) besmirching his own honor, 2) causing stress in his marriage to Cat, and 3) himself becoming the subject of leering gossip and sneers from the likes of Cersei Lannister, among others. If there was any way at all that Ned could plausibly claim that Jon was conceived before Ned's marriage and therefore older than Robb, I'm sure he would have done it. He only didn't because he couldn't, imo.
  10. The Ned's Little Girl

    Why do you all hate Sansa Stark?

    1) She was also lying to protect Arya, since if she definitively said what happened - that Arya and Arya's wolf attacked the crown prince - Arya could have at minimum lost one of her hands. 1a) Sansa had told her father the whole story during the time Arya was missing. Yet Ned never spoke up and corrected or clarified Sansa's story. Try shifting some blame to the adult in the room. 2) Cersei doesn't need any justification to demand a wolf pelt, least of all from a preteen girl. 2a) Robert is the one who let Cersei get away with her demand for a wolf pelt, just because he didn't care to listen to his wife nag at him all night. Try shifting some blame to the adult in the room. 3) Lady doesn't die because of Sansa's weakness. She died because Ned killed her. 3a) After Ned killed Lady, he sent her dead body home with a few servants to have her buried in Winterfell. Why didn't he send Lady alive back to Winterfell? Who would have been the wiser? Try shifting some blame to the adult in the room. TL;DR Quit blaming the small children. Adults bear the responsibility for underage kids.
  11. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    Yes, we should take what GRRM says at face value. He doesn't mislead his readers. If he doesn't want to reveal something, he usually just says "keep reading" or something to that same effect.
  12. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    Here's where it gets muddy. Assuming for the sake of argument that Jon is older and that he is Ned's son (both of which I think are untrue), Jon's bastardy would still present an impediment to his children contesting for rule of Winterfell. Which would be the superior claim, one among grandchildren that derives from an older but bastard son, or one among grandchildren that derives from a younger but legitimate son? Since even a legitimised bastard gets relegated to the end of the line behind legitimate heirs, regardless of said bastard's age, then the second scenario would be the more legally-correct one. Which likely would also make it the more enforceable claim. If so, can you explain why Ned chose to present Jon as younger and therefore as a betrayal of his marriage vows? Why would he take on that burden, as well as force Catelyn to do the same, unless he was obliged to by Jon's being noticeably younger? Besides, doesn't it seem likely that Honorable Ned Stark would actually cause more gossip and speculation by acknowledging breaking his marriage vows, than if he had produced a bastard offspring who could plausibly be passed off as conceived while Ned was still a single man? Heads would hardly turn at all on that prospect.
  13. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    Catelyn's anxiety on this issue has more to do with the actual fact of Jon's existence in the first place, than to do with the relative ages of the two boys.
  14. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    Seriously, this is not a thing. There is no possible way that the marital status of the parents can have any effect whatsoever on the physical developmental progress of a child. That's not how this works.
  15. The Ned's Little Girl

    Whose nameday falls first - Jon's or Robb's?

    I think Catelyn would care if Jon was older. It would mean that Ned didn't cheat on her, which was definitely a source of pain for her. (Not as deep as the pain of having her husband's bastard raised in her home alongside their legitimate children, but still.) I think Ned would care if Jon was older. He's pretty guilt-ridden at causing such pain to his wife. It surely would have been easier on both of them if Ned could have explained Jon away as the result of a quickie while Ned was still unmarried. It's telling, to me, that Ned wasn't able to take that easier route. That makes it pretty clear that Jon was clearly and visibly younger than Robb.
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