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  1. Nagini's Neville

    Obnoxious POV's

    -Damphair & Victarion. Don't care about the Ironborns, their toxic masculinity (sorry, know a lot of ppl don't like this phrase, but I don't know how else to call it and I think it fits the Ironborns, otherwise, I welcome other suggestions) and their brutal ways, stupidity and religious fanaticism -Theon, because of Theon -Reek, sometimes, because too much Ramsey and too much torture and suffering -Arys Oakheart, not that I hate him or anything, I just thought, his pov wasn't needed and annoying, he just seemed stupid and the way he described Arianne was very similar to how Tyrion described Shae. Made me want to have a Shae pov, we really only know her from Tyrion's pov and a bit from Sansa's - Dany in AGOT, because of Drogo and Viserys and Dany's pov just reading like that of a 13 year old girl and also her being just a 13 year old girl lol. Things got more enjoyable, when Drogo was finally dead don't care how hot Jason Mamoa is -he needed to die
  2. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    I totally understand your reasoning, when it comes to a "kill/hurt a child (or someone innocent) or be killed yourself" scenario. That's also why I maintain, that Tyrion is completely himself responsible and to blame for how he acted towards Sansa on their wedding night. But I don't, when it comes to a "be raped or killed" scenario. But I also don't remember you saying that, so I get your point.
  3. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    firstly why would Jon now suddenly want to break his oaths, that mean so much to him again, without the pressure/(temptation) from someone basically forcing him. As we have already established- he had no choice. He doesn't try, because he also didn't try with Ygritte. It is not his goal. Also why would not wanting to father a bastard not be important to him anymore suddenly? He can't trust, doesn't even like Meli. Ned wouldn't have had sex with Cersei. Same goes for Jon with Meli. He likes Val, but I think his oath, especially now that he is the Lord Commander is too important to him to try, that's after all the main rason he doesn't want WF IMO, it's not so much, because it belongs to Sansa. I think he very well understands, that that only means it belongs to the Lannisters. But he has sworn an oath to the old gods to forsake all of that. I also think cold, war, constant stress, responsibility and hard work will have an impact on your sex drive. I also don't think, just because GRRM doesn't show every character masturbating, we shouldn't assume, they all aren't doing it in general. Just like he also doesn't show us them using the toilet all the time. Him having Tyrion doing it at the moment, that he does, should tells us IMO, that Tyrion doesn't have the most healthy relationship with sex (not that it's unhealthy to masturbate), but that he tries to compensate a lot with it. He deals with his negative emotions and when he is actually longing for love an acceptance through sex. Not uncommon, however for someone, who was sexually abused as a child/teenager. i didn't read it like that, but would totally dig it. And maybe that's where GRRM is going, apparently there are a lot of readers, who got those vibes, so it could very well be intended that way. But Jon being bi or pan IMO wouldn't be the reason for him not to try something with Mel or Val
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    Why didn't Tyrion consummate his marriage with Sansa?

    Yes, I agree that young marriages happened/happen among non Targs, just that it isn't common. And that the Targs are not really representative of what non Targs are doing. tbh I might not completely understood what you are saying here - apologies! My english brain is on vacation today somehow Gotcha not that the marriage is reversed, but that the father will retaliate by not upholding his part of the commitment like providing military strength etc. I think mostly the family will just wait until the daughter would be old enough for consummation with the marriage. So we don't really have examples from the text were the daughter wasn't old enough yet. Only Sansa and Jeyne and they weren't given away by there fathers/families. But if for example for Robb it hadn't been enough to arrange an engagement between Sansa and whomever, I could imagine, that he would have agreed to a marriage right away, but would have arranged for Sansa to still live with Cat until she is 15 for example. Or just in general waited with the marriage until she was 15, like he planed to wait until Arya and the Frey boy were off age. but if a father doesn't want to risk his daughter's death in childbirth this could also be included, why not? Ned after all was very uneasy about Sansa being already engaged at 11 and Cat had to calm him down and tell him a young engagement does not equal an early marriage, using herself as an example. I agree, but I'd say, that a decent family and man will at least be concerned about, that the woman doesn't die. I disagree, because the Targs are also practicing incest and that is a taboo for the rest of Westerosi noble Society. And when they are marrying their siblings, those are usually closer in age then f.e. Jeyne and Ramsey or Sansa and Tyrion. It's more like Tysha and Tyrion then. And that's at least a bit better, when both are children sure, but if Cat had been 12/13 and Ned had sworn an oath to wait with consummation at least until she was 15 and she would have gotten pregnant at 13, Hoster backing out on this word would just be retaliating for ned not keeping his. I just mentioned them to illustrate, that there are families, who are concerned about their daughters well-being. Of course Margaery's case is different, because she is already 16 so she fore sure wouldn't die in childbirth, because of being to young. Not if he is a good person possible yeah, we really don't know enough in that regard. But medical knowledge seems to be better, than in the actual MA, so I assume they would be aware, that you only have to have sex once for pregnancy. Just from experience. Roslin also got pregnant right away f.e. But weird, that they didn't think about moon tea in regards to sansa. And I still don't really know what Tywin's goal was in regards to her. Because before the marriage he basically tells tyrion, the only important thing would be consummation once and he could wait after that a couple of years, but after consummation didn't happen he states there needs to be an heir as soon a possible. Feels like he doesn't know what he wants himself. But i guess the most important thing for him here is the consummation. "You must needs take her maidenhead, so no man can say the marriage was not consummated. After that, if you prefer to wait a year or two before bedding her again, you would be within your rights as her husband.” " "The north will go to your son by Sansa Stark … if you ever find enough manhood in you to breed one. Lest you forget, it is not only Joffrey who must needs take a maidenhead.” I had not forgotten, though I’d hoped you had. “And when do you imagine Sansa will be at her most fertile?” Tyrion asked his father in tones that dripped acid. “Before or after I tell her how we murdered her mother and her brother?” " That's good point, I hadn't considered yet. IMO if the husband is a good person, it would. Not everyone is a calculating jerk IMO Still think a lot of husbands would have scruple to deliberately go against the father's/brother's wishes. If those were their wishes. Yeah, I mean it probably was not. I would hope so anyway. If some part of the negotiations were broken on behalf of the man yes. If not though, it would be the wife's family being seen as breaking their word to withold military aid.  maybe it's now earlier on average. I think my friends had it all around 12. I think the normal range is between 10-15, but of course there are also girls, who already get it at 8 or 16 on occasion. https://kidshealth.org/en/kids/menstruation.html Yeah, it seems like it. I find it weird though. Especially if it's known, that most noble girls were married in the MA earliest at 15.
  5. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    well, Sansa is 12/13 and Tyrion is 26. So the same rules don't apply for girls obviously okay, dont base my knowledge of wiki usually. maybe I find it in the text, than i quote it, but yeah wiki is probably right. Edit: @Peach King guess you are right. He is 16 and she is 19
  6. “Sometimes he sees Sansa and she’s the daughter he never had,” Martin says. “The daughter that he might have had with Cat…But at other times, he detaches himself from that and he’s less Petyr and more Littlefinger and she’s just another piece in the game of thrones…Yet, other times, she’s not Cat’s daughter, she’s young Cat. She’s his teenage fantasies returned again.” https://comicbook.com/blog/2014/05/19/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-explains-littlefingers-relationship-with-sansa-stark/ to me, that's a pretty good recipe for a conflict/disaster. Feel like most 13 year old girls would have problem with having to regularly make out with a guy, who also demands of them so see him as their father
  7. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    I thought, that happened in Clash- so my apologies! Also thought it at one point said Ygritte was 4 years older and she was 19 as far as I remember. But yeah, could be mistaken.
  8. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    I think he was 15, but yeah, not a child anymore. A youth almost an adult.
  9. Nagini's Neville

    aSoIaF Confessions

    lol it sounds like straight out of Harry Potter. The Superball, at the end of the school year, other Wizarding Schools will be attending as well we do. It's the thing between a plate and a cup, that the french drink coffee out of and we eat cereal from. Ha, an explanation! That's nice, Thanks! don't think Sandor vs. Robert Strong will happen and if it does then not for revenge. an egg at best it keeps me up at night lol glad I'm not alone then. I was like, where did the ravens all over sudden come from? And those are some very well trained killer ravens. Was it the 2 ts? I'm sure I pronounce half of the names completely wrong.
  10. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    Melisandre probably, seemed to be her goal after all, but what would be the result of union would have been in her control, so understandable Jon wouldn't want that. When it comes to Val I disagree. She is very proud, still grieving for Jarl and loyal to the free folk and she wouldn't just slept with Jon, just because he wanted to. He would have had to rape her and Jon is for sure not a rapist.
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    aSoIaF Confessions

    but calling our perfectly appropriately named game soccer No, it was a very brilliant thread, that I created myself titled "why was Cat tortured before her death and Robb wasn't?" and you where one of the very polite ppl, pointing out "it's a writing style" lol Oh, yes Bran is one of my favorites too. absolutely adore his chapters as well Jaime has such an obnoxious personality to me lol, but he is also very funny, so that makes up for it. And tbh I know a lot of ppl disagree, but I actually think he is a quite a good person. yep, love storm and clash as well. game is my favorite. love all 5 yes, of course, loved it!! (answers given under the threat of violence don't count)
  12. Nagini's Neville

    I hate Roose Bolton

    will be bittersweet - that's bad - I know
  13. Nagini's Neville

    aSoIaF Confessions

    I probably have a lot of confessions to make, but of the top of my head: (might have to complete this list later) 1. I didn't know until recently, why everyone called it Cleganebowl, since I'm not American. On that occasion got to learn that it's Superbowl instead of, as I had always assumed, Superball- because, you know, ball is the thing they call the easter egg under their arm, they are running around with -Superball seems more reasonable IMO. Isn't a bowl something in between a cup and a plate? 2. In my first english read I thought Cat was tortured with actual alive real birds, that were scratching her face, after Robb's death- very well documented in a thread here. I even made a gender thing out of it- but everyone was very nice and just polity pointed out, that it was a metaphor - I might have been a bit drunk, while reading that particular scene but I don't think, that's really an excuse, since I knew the story already after all- suddenly I was like: waaaitt!! Raaavens? Gotta post that right away and better make a meta thing out of it, because my question is important (in a drunk voice) 3. Ever since I was a kid, I knew I would some day read ASOIAF, because my local book store owner was a big fan and he told me, that one day, I as a fantasy lover, would be ready (and I also really loved the covers- let's be honest, that's important- they just looked so epic ) but when the time had finally come and i was deemed ready at 17, I only ever managed to read up until Bran's fall, because since I'm scared of heights myself, I a have a thing for stories, where characters are great climbers or something similar that's connected to heights and you see the world described from their perspective. GRRM did such a good job with describing Bran's climbing adventures and I so very much expected him climbing everywhere to be a big part of his story and was so excited about it, that I was so devastated, that I put the book down and didn't pick it up again until 3 years later. Needless to say it was a good decision, since I obviously wasn't ready yet (being so upset about just Bran's fall) lol Weird I don't dislike jaime more 4. I like Feast and Dance better than Clash and Storm
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    I hate Roose Bolton

    that's the best. lol
  15. Nagini's Neville

    Is Ygritte a rapist?

    Jaime 2.0 ?
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