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  1. The same Cersei who said that the North can't be held by an outsider? Why would Sansa need to plan to be LoW? In the absence of Bran, it's her birthright.
  2. Before wondering about the fleet, you'd have to figure out the conundrum of why they even exist still in that world. They are a menace to the entire west coast. They raid, pillage and rape the waters and even land. Since this involves several kingdoms, they would absolutely band together to get rid of the Ironborn for good. I'm still baffled they survived the last rebellion considering Tywin Lannister was there for it. But their very existence makes no sense. So anything that involves the Ironborn, including them having a fleet (huge or small), falls into the category of crappy world building on the author's part.
  3. Considering how big WF is, it is unbelievable (but so many things are in these books). WF is big enough that thousands can be comfortably living there (it's the size of a city). So even if you don't have many guards there anymore, there should be so many people that Theon and his 20 Goodmen would be taken care of by them no problem. Even if they were only armed with torches and pitchforks, what would 20 men do against 1000? It's about as believable (NOT) as Ned taking 50-100 men with him when he goes south to become HotK.
  4. Considering that both The Westerlands and Reach are on the west coast (arguably the most prosperous Kingdoms), there should be more ports on the west side. And that includes the North. It's important for trade and import/export. Especially the North with it's winters could find themselves in dire need of food so sailing on the west side is the most expedient. I understand that harsh winters could be a problem but if you have an actual port attached to a city, you have the manpower to deal with ice. Not to mention that it's possible to build ships with ice breakers on the front. If you sail a bit further out into the sea, it won't be frozen ice there. And if the Greyjoys/Ironborn are making trouble, get rid of them. That they still exist at all makes no sense anyway. Considering what a pain they are to the west coast of the continent, no one would stand for that in the world GRRM presents to us. It's similar to the idiocy of the Boltons still being alive. Hard to suspend one's disbelief for those types of things.
  5. It clearly doesn't take that many to take possession of WF. Theon did it with 20 Goodmen, so to speak. They would just have to do what Theon did, scale both walls. All they have to do is a little recon on the movements of Theon's men, maybe create a diversion.
  6. Ok here is a general thing I've been wondering. Could it be that at the end of the books there will be a North that is it's own kingdom hence you have someone ruling there and another person ruling the rest of Westeros? I'm not talking about how the show did it because that made no sense. But this ties into the magic of the story which D&D weren't interested in. I've been thinking about the WW and the Children and magic. What if the North (and bit parts of other Kingdoms) literally separates from the rest of Westeros? By that I mean the landmass gets split so it's no longer physically connected to Westeros. I'm alluding here to a 'Hammer of the Waters 2.0' kind of deal. We have several hints in the books that the WW will make it to the Trident, possibly down to the Neck. We also know that Howland Reed spend months on the Isle of Faces. It's also assumed that the reason for the Neck being marsh land is because the HotW was attempted there again and failed. So what if the Others come down to the Neck but this time the spell succeeds, performed by Howland (or maybe even Bran or with the help of Bran)? And as a result it literally splits the landmass east to west, leaving an ocean/sea between Westeros and the landmass that split off (anything above the Neck). I don't see any other way for the conquest of the WW to end there (as it's been alluded to) because I don't see a giant Westerosi army facing them. All the Kingdoms are kind of preoccupied with their own petty little games and wars. It's also probably not going to be solved politically, unless someone becomes fluent in 'Other'.
  7. Except if he turned babies into WW they would stay babies. Undead don't grow or age. That's how the NK, WW and weights have been around for 1000s of years. And technically if that's the process, there should be hundreds of WW, plenty of babies beyond the Wall thanks to Wildlings. Incest or not doesn't matter in this case, especially since incest brings with it physical deformities (unless GRRM writes because he doesn't do science at all) and you'd think the NK would want good specimen.
  8. Again, I have no idea. I'm not D&D. You'd have to ask them. And if you do, ask them what that whole NK touching Craster's sons and turning them into...something...is all about. And where it was NK did that. What do their symbols made with body parts mean?
  9. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. It clearly didn't matter back then. You have to think like D&D think. Everyone watching would be all 'OMG they are this close to the Wall' and freaking out. From the look of it, seems like the AotD has been walking in circles behind the Wall for 7 Seasons waiting for the story to catch up. In story? Nope. Sam's still alive in the books at that point so he can't die. Maybe?
  10. By then GRRM had nothing to do with the show anymore. It's possible they never asked him when he was still involved. It's also possible that they asked/he told them and they decided it's not cinematic enough. I mean these are the guys who think polar bear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plot, characters, world building etc.. Except Arya and Sansa came to KL to see Jon freed and returned home (Sansa even wanted Jon to remain King). They brought a freaking army to ensure that. I don't know. And I'm not going back to check. All I remember is Sam running off with others and being the sole survivor (at least I think there were others with him originally), cowering behind that stone, the WW looking at him and sparing him for no reason. Then the WW looks ahead, raises his spear and points it forward making a screeching noise at which point the camera zooms out and we see the dead with him starting to march in the direction the WW pointed. That direction is clearly the Wall because it's right there in front of them a little distance away.
  11. When the White Walker roars and points his spear after sparing Sam, the camera zooms out and the Wall looks like it's right there or at least very close. Also the ranging party in the first episode couldn't have been far from the Wall since the deserter makes it past the Wall for Ned to execute (without a horse or anything to eat). So they have been marching and have been near the Wall before. And it still doesn't negate all my other points. The winter we saw in S7 was a joke, with barely any snow. In the thousands of years prior there would have been some harsh winters that would have aided the NK and his army to freeze the shores in order to cross. But it has clearly never happened, was never mentioned as an option and was also not how the AotD crossed into the South in S7. Ergo, it can't be done. The same with Bran being marked by the NK which negates the magic of the Children, the same magic that supposedly is in the Wall. Nothing apparently happened when Bran crossed the Wall, therefor this was also not an option.
  12. We've had this discussion before. 1) The army was also marching way back when a Walker decided to spare Sam for no reason. That was right at the Wall. The dead have been there several times over the Seasons and nothing happened. 2) Hound saw them marching. Bran saw them marching. We saw them marching. And nothing came of it. 3) If they wanted Bran (because of being marked) to be the reason for the AotD to cross the wall, he would have been. Problem is, that's clearly not cinematic enough or D&D forgot, so Bran crossing through the Wall did nothing. 4) If there was a way over, through or around the Wall then it would have happened thousands of years ago already. But the NK and his army didn't cross into Westeros during all that time so clearly there was no way for them to do so.
  13. What does it matter what anyone knows? I was talking about cause and effect. If the Lannisters don't try to kill Bran then the whole timeline of events on Cat's end might have changed. In which case Cat's and Tyrion's paths wouldn't have crossed at the inn and Cat wouldn't have taken Tyrion prisoner. What are you babbling about? 'Trial by combat' is a 'let God sort out someone's guilt' trial in the southern part of Westeros. If someone wins it that means the Gods judge them innocent. Or do you not know what 'trial by combat' is or means?
  14. You are supposed to tell the authorities of you suspect someone of murder just as you are someone who actually did murder a person. So the point stands. But a Lannister did try to kill Bran. Who knows how things would have unfolded if that hadn't happened. Cat and Tyrion might not have run into each other.
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