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  1. Chebyshov

    Rhaegar loved Arthur and men?

    Definitely interesting, and I'm always glad when something is brought up that makes me reconsider it. But like others I will say the context makes it pretty clear, and not sure what subverting the implication would really accomplish, at all. Unless it's to make a grander point about no one really giving a shit about the women in these cases, which I daresay we've gotten the message by now. With this thread in general... I can't believe how many people take Barry "dumb women prefer hot guys to nice guys" Selmy's account of anything at face-value. Dude has intense patriarchal POV bias, and his conception of Rhaegar "choosing love" would be part of that. As others have pointed out, those two were not particularly close at all. I feel like the concept of bisexuality is eluding many people. What would Martin be attempting to accomplish by hinting at a love story between two men through nothing other than parallel and buried implication? What does this add to the story? If it's about Rhaegar being a tad cynical in his approach to Lyanna, why is sexuality a part of that over his already established interest in prophecy? Is this making some point about in-verse homosexuality, and if so, how would we expect this to become explicated? It's not a bad shade to the tale or anything (and I'm 100% team Ned had a big ol' crush on Robert, for the record), but IMO something this veiled is a little wanting.
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    Best ASoIaF player

    Margaery is more or less a walking hymen who may or may not be a tad more cynical than she lets on with her performance of idealized maidenhood. Kind of confused about her inclusion, especially when like...Cat isn't?
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    Martin's not writing a historical documentary, so that'd be about as useful as nipples on a breastplate. Let's look at the patriarchal society in the books. And to that point, it's pretty damn clear in the narrative that Cersei's societal value is her baby-making capabilities (like all other noble women), and if you're confused as to why having your personhood reduced down to being a shiny baseball card is oppressive (along with not having the right to consent, as @mankytoes already pointed out), then you likely don't understand the concept at all.
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    Maybe part of the point of the series is holding up a lens to the inherent untenable nature of it even for the noble class with cushy jobs. Or something. You know, cause the "best possible quality of life" in that context is actually really shitty and oppressive?
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    I'm not that super into feudalism, bro ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    Ask me how many shits I give about a guy being "cuckholded." I truly have no clue what you're trying to insinuate with Sam. I'm glad you would have probably not been chained to a wall had Randyll been your dad? But this reads as incredibly disturbing victim blaming. Cersei is a complicated and a wonderfully challenging PoV character between her internalized misogyny and years of abuse (which has sadly perpetuated, as she's now an abuser and acted as a secondary abuser to Tyrion growing up). I'm not saying she's a peach, but I think the fandom tendency to woobify everyone she comes in contact with is ridiculous.
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    I think she would have done what she needed to do to avoid high treason charges, sure. I also think her response to abuse with more abuse is not meant to be taken as a positive. But I object to the framing of being her husband as being on par with being raised by Randyll Tarly.
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    Yurp. I also don't really hold her attempts to control her sexual agency against her, given the situation, to be perfectly honest.
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    Your favorite 'hateable' character

    Well as Cersei's husband I wouldn't be raping her, so maybe that situation isn't so equivalent to Sam being chained to a wall, eh?
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    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    Nitpick threads were the stuff of Season 4. I still want to know who set the time and date for this wight meeting. Sansa was invited before it had even been captured! They had no story to tell in Winterfell, is what it comes down to. Sansa should have executed LF last year, or could have easily opened to it this year. Any other plotline would have been preferable to the bait-and-switch idiocy we got (featuring homicidal sisters!), but I'm scratching my head as to what it could have been. Maybe Sansa is worried about the loyalty of some of the Lords to Jon, with winter setting in and stores going down and like...those two nebbish kids keeping their castles (like she said, "we do nothing about treason?")? Idk, it's some kind of tension that at least could have arisen from the situation, and maybe she juggles that while having difficulty relating to her two siblings and understanding what her place is as Lady of Winterfell. I also would have taken 7 episodes of Arya teaching everyone how to make pies. Littlefinger smirking on his wall spot was not exactly titillating.
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    Fickle Characters

    Most TV shows have writers' rooms, and they don't have anywhere near the problems with consistent characterization that GoT has.
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    Is Jon and Dany's blood relationship supposed to be a problem?

    It was a bizarre tonal call on an already tone-deaf show.
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    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    Charles II of Spain might have words for you. (wtf did I just read)
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    Jon Snow is the real Aegon.

    The real Aegon is the friends we made along the way. I'll echo the others re: Varys's motives.
  15. Hahahahhahahh. It's entirely off the rails and delivers the exact opposite meaning of the books at every turn, but sure, they're duty-bound. To the OP's point, I think it's quite a inaccurate to paint this series as one that's "meant to deceive." Martin will turn conventional storytelling tropes on their head, and takes a certain delight in that (Quentyn serving as an inversion of the hero's monomyth is a nice microcosm of that), but he really doesn't actively deceive. In fact, the "shocks" are so obvious and born of the narrative that on reread, you smack yourself for not seeing the writing on the wall (the Red Wedding's heavy foreshadowing may be the most accessible example to that point). Each time I reread ASOIAF, I find R+L=J more convincing. It's quite easy to "disprove" or poke holes in the "evidence," but it's important to remember that this isn't a CSI episode either. It's a constructive narrative with thematic meanings. The biggest complaint levied against the theory I've seen is that it's too "obvious", right? But you have to consider what it does and what point it serves in the story. In the case of this theory...it's the entire scaffolding that makes Ned's arc work. You take it away, then suddenly his struggles with internal and external honor and his specific hangups fail to make sense. Add to that what we know of Ned's nature, and you kind of wonder, "what would any of these other options actually do for the story, on a thematic level?" Not much, honestly. There's hand-waving "people aren't what they seem!" that I see tossed out, but that's not particularly meaningful, and it definitely doesn't make stuff like when Ned links Sansa begging for Lady's life to his sister make a modicum of sense. The thing is, people treat R+L=J as this super-guarded mystery reveal, and it's just...not. It's a texture to Ned's story. And it is something that could have plot-consequences later given the stations of R+L and what that might mean for Jon's position within this society, sure. But it's not this twist-to-end-all-twists.