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  1. sweetsunray

    Wow, I never noticed that v.16

    He was. The orphanage is LS's last hope to find Arya. Here's why LS and Gendry would know that fArya married to Ramsay isn't the real Arya. BwB and Gendry both know that Arya was with them and afterwards with Sandor as far as the Twins for sure. They were after all pursuing Sandor, when they came across the body of LS that Nym pulled out of the river. Then they interrogated two Freys who helped out and were present at the Red Wedding. One's already hanged, but we know BwB ask Merret Frey about Arya without using her name. He doesn't even have a clue of any girl found or killed at the RW, and yet he is trusted enough by Walder Frey to carry the ransom sum to them. So, if by the end of aSoS they had learned of a rumor that Arya was found and was to be wed to Ramsay then the answers of their captives would negate the plausibility of the Boltons capturing Arya at the Twins. And then there are the events at the Crossroads. Arya and Sandor fought and slew several of the Mountain's men in there. There were witnesses to this, who survived long enough to tell the tale to Shagwell. They probably told the tale to anyone they came across asap, just to make sure the Mountain himself wouldn't blame them for the killings. BwB has an intricate network of informers. They would have learned of this fight of the Hound with a fierce boy by his side who stabbed a soldier to death. Especially Gendry would realize that was Arya, and the BwB too know that Arya's hair was cut short and she wore clothes that help her pass for a boy. All of them know that the Hound and a kid = Sandor + Arya. The Crossroads = the Orphanage. The blood stains are still there on the floor as leftover evidence of Arya having been there. It cannot be washed out. The crux is that the fight at the Crossroads happened AFTER the Lannisters and Boltons claimed to have found Arya. The last known whereabouts of the Hound was Saltpans. Well, Sandor never reached Saltpans as far as we know, but his helmet appeared there during the raid on Saltpans. This is the extra personal motivation for them to hunt those butchers down. BwB and Gendry and LS probably fear that Arya died at Saltpans at the hands of the raiders, may have been raped and cut, but they would equally hope she may have escaped, and thus wanders the Riverlands. And then the orphanage is the most logical way to help find her. Anyone going to and fro and through the Riverlands at one time passes the Crossroads. And it has become renowned enough as an orphanage that septons and brothers of the faith drop off children at the Crossroads. The hope is that a similar man might find Arya, give her food and guidance, and would take her to the Crossroads, and then Gendry is there to identify her.
  2. It's possible Steelsong won't make it beyond an Ironborn attack... Sam, Gilly and Dalla's boy were sent to the farthest city away from the NW and Red priestess who likes her bonfire, and yet it may be all for naught. If so, what would it have as impact for Sam? Will he wait around for years to forge all his links? And he alsready served a crucial purpose for Jon. As LC he separated a child from its mother, and a child from its father, for good, and fully intent on preserving that lie. Ned Stark also lied to protect Jon. When, Jon learns his true parentage, he can hardly be angry with Ned over it, for he is doing something similar, even if not analogues.
  3. He makes the jokes of a wittiful jester
  4. What happens if he tosses Penny away or offers her to someone else for his own advantage. Tyrion has had many moments of potential stabilisation, but he never does... In fact, that is exacdtly what the Crowley fool symbolizes: potential for demonic evil and sainthood but switching between both. The fool stands for potential and potency, but to achieve it one need to be the "world dancer" at the other end of the major arcana.
  5. Yes, yes, very nice and accurate points! While Tyrion leans heavily on the Crowley fool, Loras and Tyrells lean heavily to the Waite fool, and Florian archetype. Also singers and fools/jesters switch within teams. If a singer is killed or leaves, then he's replaced with a fool or a fool is introduced to us instead, and vice versa. As Arya kills the deserter Dareon in Braavos, Patchface arrives at Castle Black. Sansa gets Dontos on her team, claiming to be her Florian. She annointed him fool to save his life, when he was stark naked and stupidly drunk at a tourney. He's killed with arrows (the bear way) and in the next chapter she's assaulted by Marillion. It's unclear whether Marillion is truly dead and if so who replaced him as the fool. Mord is featured several chapters later, but he stays at the Eyrie last. Sweetrobin might be regarded a fool. Possibly the vagueness about a replacement for the singer gone missing, gives credence to the argument that Marillion still lives and sings. Lots of switches at KL for the king: a singer is killed for a bawdy song about Robert, Moonboy is presented. Butterbumps is a jester AND a singer. So, he's not likely to be soon replaced. Tyrion was Shae's "fool" and jealously guarding his position with her. When he discovered Symon Silver Tongue in Shae's mansion and getting her attention, and Symon blackmailed Tyrion to put him on the singer list of the Purple Wedding, he had him become a bowl of brown. Though Tyrion has been removed from team Aegon, there hasn't been a singer replacement yet it seems. This might be, because Tyrion still hoped to rejoin them after being kidnapped, and still hopes Aegon will make a stink in Westeros and help take down Cersei.
  6. Except Tyrion never takes that leap voluntarily. He's forced onto another path. There's no more explicit scene proving this to us than when he's in the sky cells: a captive put in a cell in the skies with a floor that's skewed so you might roll out. But he refuses to take that leap. Tyrion is not the Waite's fool, not a Florian, though he wants to be some pretty maiden's Florian. Believing himself master of his own path and destiny he flips a coin in the air in the Crossroads, hoping to tempt someone to give up his room. He ends up being taken captive, and his captor even lies about the road she's going to take. He thus ends in the cells. He buys his freedom with a toss of a bag of coins. That's the last they see of him at the Eyrie, and he finds his way back to the Crossroads, once again believing himself lead and master of his own fate and destiny. Money is shown and talked about: dad says he's to fight at the Green Fork. And then Tyrion spills wine to make a point about the fools in King's Landing lopping Ned's head off, and dad makes him temporary hand of the king. Even if his father takes up that gauntlet, Tyrion still gets to be "master of coin". Purple wine gets spilled at a wedding, and he lands himself in jail, accused of a crime he's innocent of. Once more with a coin under a tile (not his coin this time, but planted by Varys) he's put on a boat across the Narrow Sea to Penthos, where he's liberated from the wine crate in Illyrio's wine cellar. He puked wine on the way over all over himself. Illyrio puts him on the Shy Maid. For once Tyrion has no wine, no money and no sex. He's called Hugor Hill, and he actually is less inhibited about "his fool" part. He manages to put himself in perspective, laugh at himself, and even when he makes fun of others he's less angry minded. But then on the day he has money in his pocket, he goes to a slaving whorehouse, rapes a whore, pukes wine all over the carpet and tosses a bunch of coins in the air. He's kidnapped by Jorah before he can do anything else. And he ends up being sold as a slave with no money, no sex and no wine. Tyrion leaps only once: before Jon. He's been tossed from here to there ever since.
  7. Not so much the esotheric meaning as the depictions are interesting. http://tarotwheel.net/history/the individual trump cards/il matto - the fool.html Initially in history the Fool is depicted as simple minded, a buffoon, half naked, bigger head, ass ears with bells, being laughed at and picked on by others but barely understanding or knowing what's going on. He's a madman, a village fool, mentally impaired. Several character fools can be classified with those. But then you have the court jester, which is the opposite of the above. Court jesters are not mad or simple, they are very witty and smart, making fun of others and particularly chosen to do exactly that for their lord: make fun of their guests. These can also be wandering musicians. Several character fools can be classified in this section. Then by the 19th century we get the Rider Waite fool: handsome young man with floral tunique and holding a flower delicately about to step off a cliff in the mountains, because he has his eyes on the sky. He's handsome, romantic, wandering innocent, but able minded. There's your Florian archetype. Waite's archenemy Crowley designs a completely different fool: a sort of physical grotesque, mix child mix adult, but not like the older ones. He's a giant who takes the space of corner of the cards. He has horns like a demon, but also wears a crystal prism from which a rainbow halo sprouts (euhm The Faith of Seven? Hugor Hill?). His ego (sun) is on crotch height. He wields "wild fire" in one hand, a downturned/ upside down cup pouring liquid in the other. And then his vices are wine (grapes) and money (bag of coins). A couple of naked innocent children is depicted on it: they lie in each others arms. And it's either a lioness or tigre (animal instinct) cluthcing his leg, and a rose growing in the mind of a crocodile swiming in the waters of creation. Only one character was written to match this fool: Tyrion. Whenever he throws or flips a coin in the air, or wine is spilled (or both) Tyrion's fate and path is altered greatly. BTW Crowley's friend was Lovecraft who wrote a story where Waite was the name of an evil wizard.
  8. sweetsunray

    Cutting tongues.

    Egg is not the sole person with a shaved or bald head. Last summer I published an essay that delves into such comparisons, and not just Targaryen ones. The biggest link for Varys points to Qarth or the people Qartheen originate from. He sounds and speaks like a sorrowful man when he kills Kevan. He laments children like the Qartheen captain who saw Astapor. Xaro can be seen as who Varys would have been if he hadn’t been cut. There’s a lost city in the red waste that was nicknamed “city of spiders” of the Qaathi (ancestors of qarth)... like vaes tolorro. https://sweeticeandfiresunray.com/2017/11/03/the-spiders-origin-part-i/
  9. When you delve into fool symbolism I also recommend checking out the fool in tarot decks: especially the classic older ones, then rider waite’s fool and finally the fool of Crowley
  10. sweetsunray

    Is Drogon the most iconic dragon of all time?

    Classic 1. Fafnir of Volsung saga/Nibelungenlied 2. St Maarten’s dragon 3. St. George’s Of popular modern culture 4. Elliot 5. Smaug 6. Balerion 7. Falcor 8. Viserion 9. Drogon 10. Malifecent
  11. sweetsunray

    What is the thing that comes in the night?

    I mean Baelor of course... pfff, been s while since I discussed stuff and background names are the first I might mix up.
  12. sweetsunray

    What is the thing that comes in the night?

    No, it supports the proposal that Benjen might be a wight. But Coldhands is already excluded from being Benjen, because Bran would have recognised him. As for “your monster”... this is open for interpretation. It could be said to mean the same thing as when someone says “i’m your servant”. It could mean “i’m the monster you created”. And it could mean “i’m someone you need to fear.”
  13. sweetsunray

    What is the thing that comes in the night?

    1) that’s why we hear over and over in aFfC how even silent sisters were raped in the RL and bones of the dead have been defiled. And this Holy Sparrow spreading the message has a cart full of “holy bones” that are first littered beneath Balon’s statue (from where Arya once witnessed the execution of her father), until Cersei herself is lured out to complain of it, and asks the High Sparrow to remove them from the square. The irony of Ned’s bones possibly ending back where they came from to taunt Cersei and lead her to make an alliance with a man who may be her undoing should not be lost to us. 2) I do acknowledge the argument that Benjen is not amongst the dead people Jon dreams of. However, Jon does dream of people who are not dead as well. He has a dream of Bran telling him it’s safe underground in aCoK, while Bran and Rickin hide in the crypts from Theon. Jon dreams of Ned as the face in the tree at WF, and thus as a spirit in a tree, like Arya actually hears Ned’s voice at the weirwood tree in Harrenhal. 3) even if Benjen is alive alive, or some type of wight, he still isn’t Coldhands. Coldhands is Coldhands.
  14. sweetsunray

    What is the thing that comes in the night?

    Left by “a brother”. We don’t know whether that was Benjen. It does seem to be a person who either has foresight or was helped by someone with foresight. Could have been put there by CH, by CotF. I doubt it was Benjen. The someone who buried it there seems to have assumed the NW would know what to do with the big stash of dragon glass. But the knowledge of its use was unknown to Mormont, to Qhorin, to Jon. Nobody knew. Heck, even Edd didn’t have a clue (and he rarely is clueless). Benjen would know his brothers don’t know its purpose. But Coldhands who was a brother once long ago and undead for a very long time might presume the nowadays NW still knows its use. CotF might presume the same thing. Anyhow, this was left explicitly for the NW (black cloak left as sign who may take possession of the dragon glass) rather recently (cloak still in a good state and not decomposing) by someone who knew the NW would come to the Fist and would be attacked by the Others, but didn’t know the NW had forgotten about dragon glass. And it is possible the cloak is Benjen’s for dogs or Ghost to find easily. But the sole brother who doesn’t need his cloak is a dead brother.
  15. sweetsunray

    What is the thing that comes in the night?

    Agreed that a resolution is preferable, but notice in the story telling what Benjen’s dissapearance had as a purpose: his was big enough for the NW and for the reader to agree with Mormont’s Great Ranging to the Fist. The many times characters wonder about Benjen’s fate is in aGoT and aCoK. This ceases afterwards. If Benjen’s remembered afterwards it’s as the uncle who disappeared, but without the character wondering what happpened to him. And the raven’s “dead! Dead! Dead!” at one of the last public mentioning of him between characters seems the nail in Benjen’s coffin. Has the raven ever lied? Has he ever been wrong? The search of Benjen also shows jon’s growth. Initially Jon thinks the great ranging an awesome idea: to find Benjen, Jon’s uncle, a Stark, etc... Family over his oath brothers. When the rangers and Qhorin sacrifice their lives in order to help him infiltrate the wildlings, when he sees and learns of the events at the Fist Benjen’s whereabouts becomes a non-issue to Jon. The last time he saw Mormont and found the buried cloak Benjen was all he could think of. Afterwards he learns the Fist and Craster was a massacre. compare this with aDwD family issues. He’s not using a faithful nw-man for it. No, he agrees to send Mance south to find a fleeing Arya... Mance who’s supposed to be dead and a deserter. Jon’s willing to sacrifice and use a deserter’s life, not a brother’s life. He is willing to send rangers out North of the wall to convince a great number of wildlings to come south, but not to search for Benjen. And when in the end he decides to ride south himself in answer of the Pink Letter, he only accepts volunteers. Benjen was never a big character. Even in Tyrion’s POV he’s barely featured. He’s not even featured face to face in a Ned POV. Benjen appears in two Jon POVs, and he features in a story told to Bran. We might have more character insight into Rhaegar and Brandon Stark than we have of Benjen. And Jon even manages to grow up and love the NW and his brothers without Benjen being there. It only seems this big a mystery to the reader and Jon in aGoT, when all the other Starks still live and the sole issue north of the wall is believed to be an army of wildlings. so, I agree a resolution would be nice, but the odds are against Benjen: not just logically, but also literary. I do like leech’s proposal of coming across Benjen in some alternative underground cave situation. Starks going underground improves their survival, that is the young generation at least. Ned’s fate was sealed in the black cells (he damned himself thrice). Lyanna died of fever while hidden (south) from the rest of the world.