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  1. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    I was not trying to tell you what type of protective equipment to use. I was merely using the term "airborne" according to its ordinary English meaning. And if you search for the phrase "airborne droplets" you will find that I'm not the only one using ordinary words according to ordinary English definitions. Even persons in specific specialties will often revert to ordinary meanings when talking to laymen. People in specific fields often develop variant or narrower definitions as "terms of art" of their professions. These not only differ from the meanings of ordinary English, but also from the meanings found in other professions. They are not right or wrong, just different. I'm just using ordinary English. I was not trying to speak Hospitalese, or medical jargon. And I'm pretty sure I made my meaning clear, and said what I meant, and what I did not mean.
  2. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    I feel bad for these people. Some are getting sick and others, I hear, are having nervous breakdowns. I hope they get well rewarded.
  3. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    Airborne means "carried by the air". Airborne droplets are not the most dangerous way to be airborne. But they are airborne, in the normal sense of the word. Ordinary words have ordinary meanings, and I, being a layman, reserve the right to use words according to their ordinary meaning. Ordinary flu is (primarily) spread by airborne droplets. Secondarily, it is spread by infected surfaces. But in addition, there is some evidence that it, or some strains of it, can be spread in other airborne ways: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/influenza-might-spread-air-study-finds-n839166 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320690 I expressed no opinions on appropriate precautions. That depends on a number of factors. Obviously, not all airborne transmission risks are created equal. And of course the New Wuhan Flu, however similar it may be to ordinary flu in some says, may differ in a variety of ways which are yet to be determined.
  4. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    The common wisdom regarding flu-like illnesses is that they are transmitted primarily by airborne droplets, which, because they are heavy, do not typically travel far. In addition, there is some evidence (and I am still speaking of the regular flu) that airborne transmission by way of lighter particles may also occur in some cases. As for the new flu, I'm not sure anyone is entirely sure the extent to which "true" airborne transmission is possible or impossible. But the common wisdom, that airborne droplets are the main mode of transmission, is being applied. But whatever you call it, the fact remains that there are 450+ cases on the Diamond Princess.
  5. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    It was moderation. I know more about it than you do. My thesis is that I don't know how the coronavirus originated. There are no hard facts. Only theories. Feel free to argue that one particular possible origin is completely implausible. It has already been made 100% clear to me that I may not argue back
  6. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    I'm pretty sure Ran just told me otherwise. Is that my thesis? I don't recognize it at all.
  7. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    Touchee. Brave of you to join the debate, now that no-one can talk back.
  8. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    Are you telling me to shut up?
  9. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    This is pure nonsense. If the virus came from a lab it was probably sent there. It could have been sent there from anywhere in China, and indeed from anywhere in the world. It may have been sent there as a specimen; or a bat specimen may have been sent there and it may have been hidden inside the bat. And it may also have mutated there, while being cultivated in animal specimens. Also, this disease was first identified in a human who first began to show symptoms in December (not January). I have no idea what you are talking about.
  10. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    Such conditions can also often be found in biolabs.
  11. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    I'm not suggesting we rule out either possibility. Incompetence works perfectly fine for the biolab theory. I don't think I've seen anyone suggest anything else. But of course the internet is a big place. LOL. I've never seen that particular bit of pithy wisdom. But it does not help us here at all. Both the biolab theory and the animal lab theory involve human activity. Both the biolab and the animal lab theory involve natural forces. I doubt that too many people believe it was released deliberately. But why can't we just have a rational and honest dishonest, without handwringing about whether it is USEFUL (for whatever worthy agenda) to have a rational and honest discussion? And is the "animal market" theory any better? Are not bigots even more likely to hold that against the average Chinese citizen? The theory, in its simplest form, is that the virus escaped from the lab. I don't know why you're trying to burden the theory with all these extra specifics. Why does it have to have been CREATED there? (It could have MUTATED there, though. I don't know why a virus is necessarily less likely to mutate in a lab than in an animal market). Again, I don't know why you're going on about nefarious purposes. The theory is simply that the virus escaped from the lab. Choose to assume what you want. Yeah, man. That's what I'm saying. Thanks for agreeing with me.
  12. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    What is this "established narrative" that you support? And what do you claim has established it? Why is it okay for you to spread fear and distrust against the powerless and voiceless operators of animal markets?
  13. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    In this case, I am the one saying we don't know. Yes, if you are the one claiming certainty, you do indeed need to offer proof. If you are not claiming certainty, you do not have to prove anything. Mindlessly throwing around the term "conspiracy theory" does not make a hypothesis less likely, or shift the burden of proof anywhere. I note that you have presented no evidence in favor of the animal market theory. Such evidence as we do have for the animal market theory, probably involves certain coincidences. Is there a double standard? If so, why? Why should be the level-4 biosafety lab be off limits for discussion, while the media has a free-for-all on the poor, powerless operators of the animal market? Is there a greater burden of proof for one than for the other? Or should we be not be allowed to discuss the possible origins of this disease at all, merely because we cannot know for sure? Please explain.
  14. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    Here's some old articles on concerns regarding the Wuhan Biosafety Lab, that predate the current crisis: https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487 https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1000921/in-fight-against-diseases%2C-china-to-open-top-safety-biology-lab https://www.alwihdainfo.com/China-s-first-high-level-biosafety-lab-ready-for-service_a50906.html It is certainly a curious coincidence. A lab is set up in Wuhan to study (among other viruses) the SARS virus, and then Wuhan becomes the epicenter of the next SARS-like outbreak. I'm not taking a position on the subject. I am merely pointing out that the animal market theory is also unproven. Of course, if anyone can present compelling evidence ruling out this theory, or proving an alternative theory, I am all ears. I just don't see why the usual howls of "no evidence!" and "conspiracy theory!" should cause us to consider only some theories and exclude others from consideration. Is there any particular reason we should be answering calls to "combat" this "conspiracy theory"?
  15. Platypus Rex

    Wuhan Coronavirus

    If you want to combat conspiracy theories, then send a team of spy/researchers undercover into Wuhan to try to research what really happened, and how this disease actually originated. Because until you find out, definitively, what really happened, then a whole host of possible explanations remain in the realm of possibilities. I'm guessing we will never know. Until you find out exactly how this disease jumped to humans, it's escape from a lab in Wuhan remains within the realm of possibility. It is also possible (though perhaps rather less likely) that it was actually engineered in a lab as well. The prevailing theory, and perhaps the most likely one, is that it jumped spontaneously to humans from some animal host. And a multi-species animal market in Wuhan might be the ideal place for a virus to learn to jump species. But that too is a theory. Why are you so interested in combatting this particular theory, anyway? What's it to you?
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