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  1. While your point is valid, Kevan didn't clock to them until after the Battle of Blackwater ie. after Davos and his son have posted it on every sept door and cried it in every town square down the coast, informed the Sealord and the magisters of the Free Cities, and Stannis had sent out ravens to every major castle in Westeros. I'm still not sure Lancel really believes it
  2. I was under the impression that he clocked to it at this point: (AGoT, Ch 09 Tyrion II) He had gone on the hunt the day before, and knew that Jaime had not. Untill the trip to Winterfell, Tyrion did not seem to have spent much time with both the twins together. He was four when Jaime became Crakehall's squire. Cersei, his closest relative, joined Tywin in King's Landing when he was five. She married Robert when he was eleven. Jaime had been a member of the Kingsguard since Tyrion was eight, so the twin's new proximity did not look like something they contrived. There was no reason to suspect them for it. Of course, Varys knows it was totally contrived. He used Cersei to get Jaime into Aerys' Kingsguard. Jon Arryn persuaded Robert to marry Cersei, but Varys might have influenced Jon. As far as we know, Tyrion was at Casterly Rock until he visited King's Landing for the wedding, unable to observe whatever machinations were taking place. No opportunity to observe his siblings together before then. No reason to suspect. That Cersei's children look like Cersei is not so surprising. That Robert's bastards looked like him does not make it surprising. Malleon's "evidence" from ninety and one hundred and twenty years ago convinces Eddard, but not me. A lot can happen in a family line over that period of time - Compare and contrast what has happened in the Targaryen family tree from the time of Daeron II to the eve of the third century AC. I am more surprised by the persistence of purple eyes and platinum blond hair in the Royal house, even with all the inbreeding, there are still a lot of non-targs in the bloodline. Shouldn't we be surprised to find that none of the Baratheons have purple eyes? Maybe we should be more surprised at the persistence of blue eyes and black hair in the Baratheons since the days of the conquest, and of green eyes and blonde curls in the Lannisters 9700 years before that (approximately). Finding two instances where the Baratheon black hair trumped the Lannister green eyes - is as surprising as tossing a coin twice and getting heads both times. Given the number of bastards and the fact Targaryens can't always marry each other, there are a distinct lack of purple eyed people outside the Targaryens. Malleon would have you expect bIue eyed, black haired bastards from Robert's ancestors for the last ten generations, and for the children of those bastards, annd their children. Instead, the fine black hair and deep blue eyes are the reliable mark of Robert's blood-kin exclusively. think that Tyrion would not have found Malleon as convincing as Ned, who did not have time for puzzles and who wasn't as sharp or as well read in his history as Tyrion. Tyrion did have the opportunity to observe his siblings together at court in King's Landing - we know he has at leasted visited for his sister's wedding and Joffrey's name day tourneys, if he had not actually lived in the Red Keep. Then, he had three months travelling north with the court to Winterfell. When Tyrion asked Varys about how Stannis came to accuse the twins of incest, Varys points out that eight of Robert's bastards had black hair, and lets Tyrion think that Littlefinger tipped Stannis off (ACoK Ch 15 Tyrion VI). Varys also mentions that Jon Arryn and Ned Stark had reached the same conclusion before Stannis. We know that Pycelle gave Malleon to both Hands, although it is not clear to me that Jon Arryn was researching twincest. Jon was in Robert's company while he was still able to speak, albeit in a fever. He did not attempt to tell Robert anything, even before Pycelle made sure he couldn't. He wanted Lysa to know "the seed is strong". Stannis claims that he told Jon Arryn, and Jon had been "gathering certain proofs" when "Cersei poisoned him". (ACoK Ch 31 Catelyn III) We know the first poisoner was Lysa, who did not want her SweetRobin to be taken to Dragonstone, or Casterly Rock. Pycelle might be considered as Cersei's poisoner, though he claims to have acted without an express order from her. Lysa was the puppet of Petyr Baelish, who supplied her with the poison, and had her write the secret note for her sister at Winterfell. The note arrived after the King, like a postcard arriving after the holiday. It seems to me that the message in it must have been written by Lysa (although it would not surprise me at all to learn that Petyr had learnt the private language from Lysa without Catelyn knowing, still Catelyn would know her sister's hand, and Lysa told Sansa and Catelyn she wrote the letter, although she wasn't really able to explain which Lannister murdered Jon, or what she had expected Catelyn to do about it. This hints that Petyr told Lysa what to write.) The glass and its box and its mode of delivery seems to have been Petyr Baelish's business entirely. Sending it to Maester Luwin was an interesting choice. Luwin used the glass to measure the shadows and identify the sun's position and season from it. It was work he had been doing since he took up his position at Winterfell, work that the maester of Castle Black does, even if he is blind. Work that the maesters of Dragonstone do. Archmaester Walgrave devoted his life to raising the white ravens that distributed their findings to the world. It is not a project Luwin started upon receiving a nice new lens. There is the metaphorical meaning that he and Catelyn were quick to catch, but there is also the fact that the essential piece of equipment of an observatory appeared in Maester Luwin's observatory while he was napping. The glass was not intended for Catelyn. Luwin has an interest in devices and contraptions (although imo he is not a great designer of aids for Bran). It is in character that he would pay some attention to the box the glass was in, and quickly identify the false bottom and find the secret letter. But could Petyr have known this? It seems to me that the letter might have languished in its secret compartment quite a while before it was discovered, that Petyr could not have known when the message would be found, or if Catelyn would ever see it. I wonder too if the carrier had known to deliver it after Eddard had his private meeting with the King, and while Maester Luwin was napping. Did the delivery guy avoid identification, or was that simply the unintended consequence of delivering the package to the observatory during Maester Luwin's siests and his servants' smoko? Did Maester Luwin even attempt to discover who it came from? Or had he had a lens on order for some time, and expected the delivery, just not the secret message inside? The box could have been sent from King's Landing, the Citidel, the Vale, or even Myr via White Harbor. It could have been dispatched any time between Lysa first agreeing to poison her husband. It could have been withheld until Eddard had been offered the Handship. Catelyn was the only person who could read the letter, but the blue Arryn seal meant anyone who found it would know it came from Lysa. Maester Luwin had not broken the seal, but had either interpreted it to mean the message was for Catelyn, or had found some other mark upon it that told him the same thing. Maester Luwin did not see Catelyn immediately. I think he waited until he saw the windows of her bedroom open, knowing from long habit what that signified, before he insisted on an audience, and got one in spite of Eddard reminding Jory he was not to be disturbed. It seems likely to me that he waited until Catelyn had softened Ned up to the idea of accepting the Handship, and took the opportunity to lend his voice in her support. He might have realised that he would be the real governor of the North if Eddard went south. When Robert left for Winterfell as soon as his Hand had died, anyone could anticipate why. It was much more likely than not that Eddard would accept, whether he received this note or not. If he accepted, it was a fair bet Robb would stay, as the Stark in Winterfell, and that Theon would stay too. That Jon would not be joining his father in King's Landing. That Sansa would, and would be Joffrey's betrothed. But neither Luwin nor Petyr could have known that Eddard would have Catelyn remain at Winterfell. I don't think that anyone other than Ned and Catelyn would be particularly invested in whether Arya or Bran stayed or went. Maester Luwin did know, as an outsider wouldn't, that Jon Snow would have to go if Catelyn ruled Winterfell. Still, he appeared a bit too ready with the solution, to me. He said Benjen had come to him about Jon. That also seems a bit odd to me. Luwin seems to do his duty at Winterfell admirably, to his dying breath. And yet here he seems to be meddling. Stannis doesn't mention how he came to know of the twincest. Not from Melisandre, who arrived at Dragonstone and converted his wife after he left King's Landing. Not from the sight of Gendry at the forge - he had already shared his secret with Jon Arryn before then. Almost certainly, Robert knew he had been cuckolded by Jaime. The timing of the births, and his relations with the queen, his generally amicable attitude to Jaime while he consistently bets against him, all point to this. It seems to me that for the good of the realm, or to spite Stannis, Robert accepted Cersei's children as his own. It wasn't Robert who told Stannis, as Stannis would have no apprehension of seeming self-serving on the subject if that was the case. Catelyn assumes Robert would have had Cersei's head if he had known. But if it wasn't public knowledge, would he? And what of the children? Eddard tells Robert he is "no Tywin Lannister, to slaughter innocents", and even if Eddard was wrong, these innocents have the backing of Tywin Lannister, and Robert knew what that would mean for the peace of the realm. It seems odd that Stannis would find out about the incest before Tyrion. He isn't as sensitive to such things. Odd too, that he knew Renly was scheming to bring Margaery to Robert's bed. Yet he clearly did. Did someone tip him off? People who knew of the twincest earlier than Stannis: -Varys, obviously, who used Cersei to get Jaime into the Kingsguard, a hostage to his father's good behaviour. -Lady Joanna, who caught them inflagrante delicto -Tywin arranged for Jaime to leave the Rock aged nine and brought Cersei to court a year later, keeping her in the Tower of the Hand. When Jaime had earnt his spurs, Tywin arranged for Jaime to marry Lysa. I also suspect that Tywin had set up the meeting with Tysha on the road to Casterly Rock. That he was the landlord that had sent her packing, and the brigands Jaime chased away were his own men. It seems unlikely to me that such a gross breach of the peace would be permitted to occur so close to Casterly Rock, and in broad daylight. Or perhaps Tywin regarded Tysha as a whore because he had intended her to sleep with his son. Only he had meant Jaime, who wasn't the slightest bit interested in her, and had never considered she might be interested in Tyrion. Right up until Jaime joins the Kingsguard, Tywin seems to be keeping the twins apart. When Stannis comes out with the twincest claim, he seeks to marry Cersei to the guy the Tyrells were preparing to marry to Sansa. None of his children believes Tywin knows about the Twincest, but he acts as if he knows to keep those two apart. I don't know what Littlefinger knew about this. He knew about at least some of Robert's bastards, but I can't see anything in his behaviour that suggests he knew the Queen was cheating on her husband. I am sure Jaime didn't let it slip, not even to Tyrion. I doubt that Stannis would pick up on the attraction by his own observations and knowledge of their characters. But somehow, Stannis found out, and found out before Tyrion.
  3. Yep, I think you are onto something. Also: Dany encounters One hundred and sixty-three dead children on the way to Meereen, and demands one hundred and sixty-three great masters be executed after the sucessful siege. The Storm Dancer has sixty men on the oars, with Moreo, Catelyn and Ser Rodrick taking the total to sixty-three. The Iron Fleet is sixty-one ships as Victarion sacrifices the slave-girls of Willing Maiden/Slaver's Scream, and the unnamed ketch. Victarion is still a couple of days sail from Meereen, and could easily gain another three ships, either by capture or by some of the stragglers catching up to the fleet. After all, they were only fifty-three when they left the Isle of Cedars. Between sixty and seventy black brothers cut free of the fort at the Fist of the First Men, although only forty-four arrived at Crasters. Between sixty and seventy Thenns were burnt to death on the steps of the Wall in the battle at Castle Black, including the Magnar himself. Seventy minus seven seems to me to be at least as significant a number as seventy plus seven, although worshippers of the Seven clearly regard the latter as a lucky number, and show no interest in the former as far as I can see.
  4. Indeed there are. Also, according to Qavo and the Widow of the Waterfront and Benerro, the followers of the Red God are formenting a slave revolt that will overthrow the triarchs. They look to the Silver Queen and claim that Volantis will burn if they fight against Daenerys. Clearly, Malaquo is going to regret that he didn't clear out the Red Temple when he had the chance. But not as much as he is going to regret sending the fleet of Old Volantis to Meereen. Tyrion noticed how depopulated the city generally was, and how many were slaves. The Widow mentioned that half her captains had offered their services to the Golden Company on their quest to take Westeros. Malaquo will regret every one of the dozen ships donated to that cause, too. Conditions could not be better for Khal Pono to sack Volantis. I wonder where he plans to neither buy nor sell the slaves he takes from Volantis. Myr has huge slave-markets, but Pentos has the square turrets of the Red God's temples, the kind Melisandre saw submerged by a black and bloody tide ( I am guessing the black tide is either the Iron Fleet or Euron's fleet, not the armies of the dead from north of the wall). Of course, Dany will need to deal with Khal Jaquo first. She has promised to avenge Eroah, and while she makes almost as many promises as Tyrion, she has form for keeping them. With the defeat of Jaquo, Khal Pono will be the strongest Khal, the largest obstacle to the fulfilment of the Stallion that Mounts the World prophecy that all the Dothraki will unite under the Stallion that Mounts the World, and ride to the Ends of the Earth. Given Dany's vision of the Dosh Khaleen submitting to her, she must either defeat Khal Pono or marry him before heading to the Vale of the Thenns, or Hardhome, the Heart of Winter, or some other end of the earth (hopefully, she won't end up heading to Valyria, Yi Ti, Sothoryos, or some further-flung end of the earth). Naturally, there will be some mopping up in Volantis and Pentos, and Lys, Myr and Tyrosh can be regarded as slave-cities and therefore against her. Dany probably won't be doing the mopping up, pursuing her destiny to mount the world. But Barristan is going to go rogue and shatter Dany's peace with the Yunkai. The second he and the freedman divisions and the Unsullied march out of Meereen, Skahaz and his beasts will slam the gates shut behind them, and they and Dany's allies in Slaver's bay must move west via the Demon Road and/or the Smoking Seas, dealing with Dany's enemies in Yunkai, Astapor, New Ghis, Tolos, Elyria, Mantarys, and Qarth. The Braavosi might not have truck with Dany, but if this lot can stay alive, they are exactly the type of people the Braavosi will want to deal with. Especially, as power rivals for Dany, and as people she might listen to. They have Tyrion on their side, thanks to Brown Ben and the Second Sons, so I must have some hope for their short-to-medium-term survival, in spite of the messy mop-up mission ahead of them. If we look at Aegon's conquest, the Dragon Luftwaffe is very handy, but they need the fleets of infantry and colonisers to move in after the Dragon Riders have flown into the impregnable fortresses of the commanders, to consolidate the victories and implement the new rule. Dany and Barry don't currently have any lines of communication. I am not sure they ever will. But she needs an admiral and a fleet. At the moment, that seems to mean either Victarion schlepping her men at Slaver's bay around to her at Vaes Dothrak (presumably travelling up the Rhoyne), or Euron summoning her via the Dragon Horn (he owned it when it was first winded, so maybe Drogon will fly to Nagga's bones on Old Wyck), where he will give her his fleet as a bride-gift. The other fleets that might work for her are Aegon's, if they become allies, and the Redwyne fleet, if the South throw their lot in with her against Cersei. But it seems to me that Aegon and Daenerys are destined to be in opposition to each other, and Aegon is more likely to win the alliance of the South than Daenerys. Especially if Daenerys has any kind of alliance with the Ironborn. However it works out for Dany, Volantis will burn. That is what Benarro saw in the comet. Osha and Old Nan and Melisandre agree, the comet means dragons breathing fire, and that is how Volantis will burn.
  5. Well, that doesn't stop Hizdhar calling himself Octarch of the Old Empire. The Roman empire was only big enough to support half that number of emperors, a Tetrachy, because tetra is Greek for four, and of course the patricians all spoke Greek. As do the Ghiscari, apparently.
  6. There is an FAQ at the top of the Help Board. Advice? I guess learn how to use the spoiler quotes before Winds of Winter is released. And don't say anything personal or derogatory about GRRM or his writing speed (but you can go nuts on his characters, plot holes, themes, stylistic choices etc any time you like). It goes without saying we all need Winds to be released now, and yet it is frequently said. My own opinion is that you should back up your arguments with direct quotes from the books (or the speaking engagement/interview/blog post). Or at least, you should be able to. Also on direct quotes, you can select just the bit of someone else's post you are responding to. You don't need to quote the whole post, especially when it is all there just above your own post in the same thread. Just be careful not to take a quote from someone who was quoting someone else - especially as it is most likely they quoted that specific point to disagree with it (I have misattributed this way accidentally, it's easily done). It is courteous to answer or at least acknowledge the OP in some way, even if you are more interested in responding to other posts in the thread. When confronted with a perspective that seems to be from a different set of books to the ones I read, or a poster that seems to be outraged by something that seems uncontroversial to me, I nowadays tend to go to their profile and check out the sort of things they post generally before I marshal my quotes to defend Jon Snow or the Mother of Dragons. Some people are not so much trolls as intensely invested in protecting characters like Ramsey Bolton from the calumnies heaped upon them by plot-armoured points of view. Others are not haters at all, but have carefully constructed and very well thought through theories and it can be very confronting for them when someone cavalierly suggests that fAegon isn't a Blackfyre, or claims the books don't tell us whether Robb or Jon is the oldest. When I go to someone's profile and see they have been fighting the good fight for their character or theory for years, and others have already expressed the points I would have raised, in better language, to no effect, it helps me to go easy on them. Also, being nearly as old as Ser Barristan, I don't necessarily want to joust against someone as fiery as Dany, however sure of the righteousness of my cause I may be. If someone is getting under your skin for no real reason, you can try putting them on your ignore list rather than responding to them. I have never had to do this, but it is good to know the function is there if I need it. In my experience, the posters on this forum are some of the most forebearing and civil and good-natured people on the internet. That might be because people who take so much pleasure in the Song of Ice and Fire can appreciate nuance, complexity, symbols and subtext. It might also be because the mods here are very strict on trolls and abusers - zero tolerance of personal attacks and no second chances, ever. As you can see, R+L=J is so popular and influential, it has a pinned perpetual thread. Both the small questions thread and the compendium of theories (in the spoiler tags, in the OP) are also worth a browse. There are many matters, great and small, that GRRM intended us to notice and interrogate. Far more than any single fan could pick up in a half-dozen close readings. But together, we stand a chance of understanding and appreciating Patchface's prophecies, Sybell Westerling's potions, the significance of various fruits, and Sansa's cloaks. Being challenged on your impressions of Rhaegar is not such a bad thing. You can see where the other poster went wrong or missed the point. Occasionally, you can't and are forced to re-examine and refine your view. It is all for the good. If it does nothing else, reading and writing posts helps you keep the characters and timelines fresh in your mind, ready to face the rigors of the Winds of Winter. Even the most popular opinions are contested here, and even BoltOn and Daario= theories have some supporters here. So welcome home!
  7. Well, he has a few reservations on that score but do note that Tommard has served as a guard in Winterfell since his youth, some 35 years ago. He is fourteen years older than Ned, and it is Ned's children that call him "fat Tom", rather than Ned himself. The dad bod might have happened only in the last decade, as Tommard hit middle age with the pressures of family life and the long time between battles. Like King Robert's weight, it may have been something Ned observed with dismay but felt was not his to control. Tommard was a faithful man who did all that was asked of him. His end was determined by the treachery of Lord Baelish and the corruption of Janos Slynt, not his weight. However, he was not Ned's first choice of commander, nor his second. Ned does see him as more sensible and reliable than Desmond, when it comes to protecting his daughters. Still, that might not be the only reason he had put Fat Tom in charge of taking them back to Winterfell and delivering the rule of Westeros to Stannis at Dragonstone enroute. As far as I can see, Tomard does everything required of him with adequate competence. While he doesn't exactly question his orders, what Ned regards as a "slightly apprehensive" look does seem to me to be caused by Tom's doubts about the orders Ned gives him. But whatever those doubts are, Tom serves his master as much as he irritates him. Of Ned's children, it is Arya, the fiercest, the most war-like of his brood, that has the most open contempt for Tom. He named her "Arya underfoot", but she despises him for being "easy to fool" (which might actually be more like "inclined to cut kids some slack", when we look at the instances where he was 'fooled'). She also knows he is too slow to stop her. Jon also regards Tom as 'the slowest of his father's guards', recalling a time at least half a dozen years earlier, when Lord Commander Qorgyle came to Winterfell, and he and Robb had been chased around the yard after dumping their hoard of snow on him. Bran has no prejudices of this kind. He remembers Tommard and Desmond were the guards that dragged Gared to the stump he was executed on. Theon likewise is haunted by Tom after he takes command of Winterfell, but doesn't seem to despise Tom. He notes Tom is dead, and seems to feel guilt about it, though Tom's death was naught to do with him. As for Alebelly, Ned did not regard him as worthy of joining his guard in King's Landing. Nor did Robb choose to have Alebelly accompany him when he marched south. Nor Ser Rodrick when he left Winterfell to kill the Bastard of Bolton, and oust Dagmar from Torhen's sqare. Beer guts are closely related to middle-aged spread, although the latter sounds less perjorative - one can't really help growing older, but how much ale one quaffs is a natter of choice. Alebelly seves with Poxy Tim and Hayhead, who also have perjorative nicknames that explain to us, the readers, that all the real guards have left Winterfell in their disolute and indolent hands. Of course, a big guy who pants when he climbs steps can still be strong. We know Osha is stronger than Alebelly, although Alebelly carries Bran upstairs perfectly well. Fat Tom might also have made up in strength what he lacked in aerobic endurance. We know King Robert did. Arya sees a man urinating at the Red Wedding, and thinks of Alebelly. That would imply that he is a heavy drinker, and maybe her father's notions about who to take with him and who to leave behind him were influenced by his fondness for drink. Although, like Tom, he seems to have been killed in the line of duty, while performing his job soberly, ambushed by skilled enemies. Nothing to do with eating or drinking too much, and there is no reason for us to suppose that either of them failed to train in arms, or were less than fit for duty when they were fatally wounded. I am guessing that both Tommard and Alebelly joined the guards at Winterfell in Lord Rickard's time. Neither was quite bad enough at his job to justify Ned sacking them. neither of them was ever sufficiently fit and fast enough for Ned to really respect or trust them. While they did all he bid of them, he couldn't really cut them out of their employment. And out of the hundred or so guards he had, one had to be the slowest, and one the most partial to drink. They could not be trained like enslaved Unsullied, after all (and even Unsullied can run to fat as household guards.) Both of them are as dead as Ned now, anyway, so I am not sure it really matters.
  8. Or rather, seemed perfectly clean in comparison to the depredations of his older brother, the wildness of his sister, and whatever it was that made Benjen decide to take the Black. And nothing that warranted the Mad King Aerys demand for his head.
  9. But the event we are talking about necessarily happened more than sixteen years and nine months before Robb was born, and Robb is (at the time she said this) sixteen years (and a few days) old. I am questioning why she did not round up (to as much as eighteen years) when the tale was (necessarily) known to her before she married, some seventeen years before.
  10. Well, he attended the tourney of Harrenhal. his master-at-arms has tourney blades to hand, his wife had attended half-a-hundred tourneys in her time, and he was the teenage ward of the Lord Protector of the Vale, an area full of knights and lords that are interested in chivalry and tourneys, the best friend of teenage Robert Baratheon who was always interested in the melee, and attended tourneys even if he failed to distinguish himself in them. It is clear that Eddard objected to the Tourney of the Hand as an unnecessary and unjustifiable expense given the King's debts. Since he returned to Winterfell as its Lord it seems that, like his Northern lieges, he has little to do with chivalry, and has his household and hangers-on train for battle rather than for tourney. There is no sign that Winterfell held tourneys during his Lordship. But it does not follow that Ned never competed in tourneys, and especially it does not follow that Ned never competed in tourneys in his youth. Being trained in arms in a region where the cult of chivalry was entrenched, with all three of his siblings and his fellow ward all strongly interested in tourneys, it seems unlikely that he could have avoided the experience completely.
  11. As others have said, Ned probably earned his reputation for honour by his treatment of Jaime Lannister and his disgust with the Lannisters at the murder of Elia and the babes following the sack of King's Landing, his ending the seige of Storm's End without bloodshed, his refusal to take the Iron Throne for himself, his stepping up to marry Catelyn in Brandon's place, his treatment of Balon's son after Balon's rebellion, his active role as a magistrate in the North, his active support of the Night's Watch against the Wildlings. He might possibly have done something to enhance that reputation before the rebellion, by not being so keen to get his sword bloody, the way Brandon was, (and Robert Baratheon, for that matter). Certainly, Robert Baratheon, Catelyn, Petyr Baelish, Jorah Mormont, Jaime Lannister, Varys ... there are a lot of dodgy characters that will vouch for his honesty, enemies as well as friends. But I don't know that his reputation for honour is quite as well deserved as these champions would have people believe. His way in battle reminds me of a skulking canine that slyly nips behind the flock to ball them up and send them into the slathering fangs of his noisy brothers at the front, who do the killing. The way he sneaks off from the Fingers while Robert storms Gulltown, for instance. The battle at the Tower of Joy needs more explanation - seven against three is good odds, but the three are ferocious fighters, and Eddard and Howland Reed strike me as being possibly the least competent swordsmen of the nine. The logic he gives Bran for killing Gared is questionable, the justice of sending Lord Beric out to slay Gregor Clegane is questionable. His treatment of the Wildlings, and of his ward Theon Greyjoy, is questionable. His whole family has an attitude towards all Lannisters that is irrational and bigoted. When it is just him and his conscience bearing witness, it seems to me that Eddard lets his honour slide and quietly slips into the shadows behind his prey. The most obvious example of this being when Robert Baratheon names Joffrey Lannister his heir, after explaining to Eddard that he has been named Hand primarily to be his regent and counter Cersei's influence over the young king. Just because it took Eddard all his sluthing powers to identify two brothels and to realise Joffrey wasn't Robert's son when Sansa told him as much, doesn't mean that Robert Baratheon was convinced the boy was biologically his. Robert had clearly decided that, for the peace of the realm, Cersei's oldest boy needed to be king. Which meant, for the sake of the realm, neither of his brothers nor any Lannister could be his Regent. I also have issues with Eddard's fathering. For instance And then, just like that, without a by-your-leave or a with-your-leave, Rickon is given the most savage of the direwolf pups. Not to mention, he kills the best behaved of the pups with his own hand, and leaves the worst-trained one behind to terrorise the Riverlands. Which makes me wonder - if Tywin just threw babes to the wolves, instead of murdering them, that is OK by him? Eddard never could see past his honour to the peace of the realm, when it came to accepting Lord Tywin as an ally, when it came to keeping an eye on the potential threat of King Viserys in Essos, when it came to negotiating with child-murderers. Robert was better at that, and Varys (who Eddard also despises quite irrationally). I can see why it took Robert eighteen years to find a use for Eddard in his court. And Eddard justifies all doubts. He is played by Baelish, Renly, Vary, Cersei. He snubs the aristocratic families and doesn't understand the smallfolk. Stannis objects to him by default. And even before he learns the truth of Joffrey's paternity, Eddard is preparing his forces against those of Robert and the realm, on the absolutely fact-free basis that if one Lannister didn't throw Bran from the top of that tower he just let him climb, another must have, and therefore it is only a matter of time before the realm is riven by a Lannister/Stark war. It seems to me that Eddard's honour doesn't do anything to make his children or any children safter, or to prevent war, or preserve peace, or even to respect the rights of others. But in particular, Eddard's honour didn't stop him from crossing his fingers and altering King Robert's Will, so he could hand the whole hot mess to Stannis and go home.
  12. It would have been awesome if Mord had given that oxen a brown sauce and a jerk rub before he left the Eyrie.
  13. Found one in the first Cersei chapter of A Feast for Crows. Ch.03 Cersei I Her confusion is understandable Ch.56 Tyrion VII
  14. Wait - does that mean her name is pronounced "Keith"? Or Keetee?
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