Jump to content


  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited


About Walda

  • Rank

Recent Profile Visitors

3,018 profile views
  1. Walda

    The Regional Cuisine

    Do we know anything about the diet of wights? Or of white walkers, for that matter. Melisandre says wights are only dead flesh, animated by necromancy (ASoS, Ch.79 Jon XII). Meryn Trant claims Ser Robert Strong, who is suspected of being animated by necromancy, does not eat anything at all (ADwD, Epilogue). That is all I can recall at the moment, anyway. As @Widowmaker 811 points out, wights have potential to become a food source for the living. There are a couple of mentions in the book of warm-blooded animals eating wight (both in ADwDCh.33 Bran III. The first has Summer, One Eye, Sly, and Stalker eating wights, the second has Summer alone eating a wight's arm). But there is nothing to suggest what or even that wights eat, or are capable of eating. As far as I recall, not a single instance where a wight is detected eating anything at all, or even tearing with it's teeth at something.
  2. Walda

    Robb instead of Catelyn

    @Dorian Martell's son, in the Regional Cuisine thread, you listed venison stew as your favourite Westerlands dish and Sister Stew as your favourite dish from Braavos. Nowhere in GRRM's books is there a mention of venison in the Westerlands, or Sister Stew in Braavos. By your own argument, those words are fan-fic. They both seem like valid choices to me, although it is unlikely the Braavosi would call it Sister's Stew, or use heavy cream. They would probably ship in ghee or oil instead of butter, too (the book doesn't mention any pasturage for cows around Braavos, or any dairy products in its cuisine.) And use mud, climber, leopard crabs instead of red, spider, and conqueror crabs. And there is so little mention of anything in the Westerlands in the books so far, the fact that there is no mention of venison or deer cannot be taken as proof that GRRM didn't intend venison or deer to exist there. But that doesn't change the fact you have significantly altered the character of GRRM's Braavos by endowing it with this dish that is only found in the Sisters in his story, and introduced feral deer to your Westerlands. I'm sure you meant no disrespect to GRRM by posting your thoughts on the regional cuisine in that thread, but then, I'm sure nobody in this thread was intending to disrespect GRRM when they answered the OP. Headcanon, tinfoil, crackpot, hype, analysis are not fan-fic. Even when they outline a narrative. For example: ( @Stark Future, The Lyanna + Rhaegar = Jon thread) ( @chrisdaw, Sandor Clegane's Future) Not fan-fic, totally legit discussion of some very popular themes, contributions to the kind of buzz GRRM's publishers and himself, have encouraged fans to create. If this thread was fan-fic, shouldn't you report the offending posts to a moderator? I've never actually found the FAQ myself (if you know where it is, please throw me a link), but I have seen posts that quote it like this: ( @General Prince Stubbumgwu, Fanfic) I've read GRRM's position on it, and his definition of it: ( George R R Martin, Not a Blog May 7 2010 - Somebody is Angry on the Internet) The first thing I ever heard about Westeros.org was that the mods here were really strict about fan-fic and shut it down real quick, so if you are really bothered by what this thread is doing, you have given us fair warning - the next step is clear. Of course I don't want to be banned from Westeros. or get anyone else banned. I'm posting this confident nothing in this thread would warrant that. I have yet to see a thread that actually discusses fan-fic get more than a few posts before being shut down. My issue is that your concerns are derailing the thread, and it seems to me a moderator could conclusively tell you (and, if need be, the rest of us) if your concerns are warranted, unlike everyone else who posts in this thread, or would like to. Although I'm not trying to restrict your options. If you want to make "Robb instead of Catelyn" 'fanfics' (ie. posts) appear to be the hottest topic on the board by arguing the point for another page or two with people who don't see it your way, you have that choice too.
  3. Walda

    Robb instead of Catelyn

    Baelish would get a message to her, probably through Lysa, casting blame on the nearest Lannister, the minute he heard from his dockside informers that Robb was bringing the dagger to King's Landing. Yeah, the scene as it is written is more like Scooby Doo without Fred, Daphne, or Velma.
  4. Walda

    Robb instead of Catelyn

    I can see two things that would be different if Robb went to King's Landing. 1/ Robb does not have the dagger cuts in his hands that prove the Catspaw was harmful. 2/ If Robb was in King's Landing, Catelyn would hold Tyrion captive at Winterfell when he visited with Yoren et al. Robb seems to me to be a bit of an idiot Savant - great at setting up winning battles, more like his Uncle Edmure as a diplomat or negotiator, only not so lucky. The way he and Jon saved the lives of the pups in the snow is characteristic. Robb got all imperious when Theon showed his steel: “Put away your sword, Greyjoy...We will keep these pups.”(AGoT, Ch.01 BranI) Jon had realised long time before that Eddard, not Theon, would decide if the pups lived or died. Jon had also realised his 'five Starks, five pups' narrative would be more powerful if both the Stark boys were holding pups and going 'Daddy, can we keep them please.' While he gave Robb all the credit the older son craved, he knew the real persuader would be Bran, after Eddard had executed a man in front of him, and attempted to justify it with the 'swings the sword' speech. So, Robb would be as much a pawn of Littlefinger and the spider as Catelyn was, or more. And Petyr would make sure Catelyn knew the dagger was Tyrion's before Tyrion had seen the final saddle design and gone on his way. Not sure if Varys would be right onto the arrest of Lord Tyrion before Robb set foot in King's Landing - his informer seemed to know of the fire in the Library, but not of the catspaw in the sickroom. But they would have Robb cornered before he had a chance to leave the capital, if not before he had a chance to arrive. However talented at skulking about Robb proved to be, he and his father both would be Cersei's hostages in the Red Keep against Catelyn's hostage at Winterfell. Robert wouldn't be happy about it, but he would not be so flagrantly unjust nor so undiplomatic to favour the Starks over the Lannisters or vise versa. As long as she was at the Eyrie, and nobody was threatening her or Robert, Lysa would be running with the hares and the hounds and whomever else Petyr Baelish suggested. I can imagine Tyrion getting to the bottom of the mystery of the dagger soon enough while he was at the scene of the crime, even if the dagger itself was in King's Landing. Between them, Tyrion and Maester Luwin would figure out how the myrish glass got where it was found, and that someone on the small council was dicking with Lysa and Catelyn. And after lunch Tyrion could help Maester Luwin design a basket that allowed Bran to sit lower down on Hodor's back, with a build-in sissy bar to warn Hodor/protect Bran's skull, maybe some straps that would prevent Bran falling from the basket when Hodor bent over, maybe even a frame to distribute the load on Hodor's spine. (Really, Maester Luwin posted in the design of that basket. And it bothers me.) Eddard isn't so quick at getting to the bottom of things, and he would have his hands full just stopping Robb from swinging a sword at Jaime or whomever the immediate threat seemed to be. I'm pretty sure Tywin started gathering his host and massing it at the Golden Tooth when he left the capital after Joffrey's Name Day tourney, while the Hand sickened and died. I'd do the same if I was Warden of the West. Better safe than sorry, no need to rush in and demand Robert give the poisoned chalice of the Hand to him. Catelyn was certain Gregor was "no more than Tywin's catspaw", and correctly identifies Tywin as the greater threat to her. 'Catspaw' is an easy word to throw around when the threat you have could not possibly have come from the enemy you want to have. I'm not at all sure that it was Tywin's idea that Clegane start reeving the riverlands. I'm guessing it was more like Robb with Stone Mill, he figured it was better to wear it with private irritation than reprimand his henchman publicly. Although it looks to me, all through that war, that Tywin had positioned Ser Gregor in the most dangerous part of every battlefield, and in every battle he could. Ser Gregor gets the thankless tasks, the hard graft, and goes at it dutifully, like he expects no more. I wonder what happened to his third bride, and if she had been a Darry.
  5. Walda

    The Regional Cuisine

    Cheat Sheet Of the top two chapters for food references of a given region. From my notes, which are not finished - so maybe there is a North chapter with more food references than the two I have here. And maybe Daenarys' wedding to Hizdar in Meereen (ADwD,Ch.50 Daenerys VIII) belongs on this list too. Dorne AFfC, Ch.40 The Princess In The Tower ADwD,Ch.38 The Watcher Iron Isles ACoK,Ch.24 Theon II Dothrak AGoT, Ch.11 Daenerys II AGoT, Ch.46 Daenerys V Skagos AFfC, Ch.15 Samwell II Reach ACoK, Ch.22 Catelyn II AFfC,Prologue Beyond the Wall ASoS Ch.07 Jon I (Free Folk) ACoK Ch.23 Jon III (Craster) ASoS Ch.33 Samwell II (Craster) Westerlands AGoT, Ch.62 Tyrion VIII Pentos ADwD Ch.01 Tyrion I ADwD Ch.05 Tyrion II Slaver's Bay ASoS, Ch.71 Daenerys VI ADwD, Ch.43 Daenerys VII Braavos AFfC, Ch.34 Cat Of The Canals ADwD, Ch.45 The Blind Girl North ACoK,Ch.21 Bran III ADwD, Ch.37 The Prince of Winterfell Naath ASoS,Ch.71 Daenerys VI Of course, there are hundreds of references to the foods of these regions that are not in these chapters, and lots more that are absolutely possible and even implied without being explicitly stated in ASoIaF, that are interesting to explore anyway. eg. @Dorian Martell's son has venison stew as an option for the Westerlands. There are a couple of wooded areas that we know of in the Westerlands, and likely more, so venison is a defensible choice. Venison stews are very popular in the North and in the Vale, not unknown in King's Landing or to the Free Folk either, but there are few mentions outside of these regions. Jaime mentions that one of the ways Ser Arthur Dayne won the hearts and minds of the smallfolk away from Toyne's brotherhood was by having Aerys allow them "a few of the king's deer every autumn" (a forest law privilege). That almost certainly means that all the deer in the Kingswood belonged to the King on the Iron Throne, but might also mean that all the deer in the realm did too. Forest law was a big deal in medieval England from the time of William the Conquerer - it had a lot to do with the development of the feudal system. It makes sense in the context of ASoIaF too, although it isn't explicit. Still, the Night's Watch, that has explicitly been granted the Gift by Brandon the Builder and the New Gift by Jaehaerys I, eat a lot of venison. It makes sense that they would hunt in the Gift, and that there would be more game to hunt as the forests grew back over abandoned cultivated lands. If we look at the Riverlands, the woods are teeming with deer, but venison is only mentioned twice - at Castle Darry when Lady Amerei feasts Lord Commander Jaime Lannister, and at Seaguard, where Will is caught red-handed with Lord Mallister's buck. There are also only two mentions of venison in the Reach: Lord Caswell serves venison in the feast at Bitterbridge and Lord Randyll Tarly is skinning a deer when he tells Sam to leave for the Wall. No mention of deer in the Westerlands, which most likely has deer. No mention of deer in the Iron Isles, which most likely does not. Robert, with his love of the hunt, would most probably give dispensations freely to the former Rebels and other favourites. Hence venison is served at the Eyrie, the Gates of the Moon, and even at Petyr Baelish's little drearfort. Jason Mallister was a rebel ally, and has the right to catch Will red-handed (red-handed was one of the four ways to arrest a poacher under forest law. The rhyme "dog draw - stable stand/back berand - bloody hand" covers them all. Thinking on it, skinning a deer might actually count as 'back berand', which is being found carrying a dead buck out of the forest. Red-handed means being found with deer's blood on your person. In that case, the body of the deer is not necessary as evidence for the arrest. The other two causes for charging a poacher are being found with a dog that is flushing or worrying a deer, or in a stable stance with one's bow up, ready to draw an arrow or actually shooting one.) Northerners like the Dustins, Glovers, Mormonts and Starks enjoy venison frequently, and seemingly have done so from long before King Robert was on the throne. Perhaps a more ancient king than Robert gave them all the priviledge, or perhaps, with Aerys closeted in Kings Landing and considering the amount of time it would take Lord Rickard if he were to pointlessly spend his days chopping off the hands of his lieges every time one of them shot a deer, it is not as well policed. Or maybe, while King Torren gave up his right to rule the North when he knelt to the Targaryens, he did not relinquish his forest-law rights, and both the Lord of Winterfell and his bannermen retained the right to hunt in their forests. Jorah Mormont might have gone a step too far when he sold his poachers into slavery, but neither Eddard nor Robert quarrelled with Jorah's right to arrest poachers. He fought for them in Greyjoy's Rebellion, so I can't imagine Robert removing his hunting priviledges anyway. In fact, there really are only three mentions of venison being served by houses Robert wouldn't happily grant privileged to (Darry, Tarly, and Caswell), and for all of them I can see a way of getting around it that is compatible with some kind of forest law functioning in Westeros. Lord Tywin, as an ally and a father-in-law would of course be granted the privilege of hunting the King's deer (if only because Robert would want to go hunting while he was on holidays at the Rock, which would be awkward if he had not already granted Tywin dispensation to hunt.) Darry could have been deemed to have been granted royal privilege when Robert took Eddard hunting for wild aurochs on Darry lands (AGoT,Ch.15 Sansa I). At least by Lady Amerei, in a sly Frey way. She might have thought it better, once Ser Harmen had killed the buck, to keep it in anticipation of Ser Kevan, whom she might have hoped would be the Hand of the King by the time he sat down to eat it as her father-in-law. When that didn't happen she could at least implicate the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard by serving it up to him. Ser Jaime left the table before it was placed on it, but both he and Lancel had better things to do than question her right to serve it. Caswell was serving the newly crowned King Renly, who loved hunting and feasting and tourney and granting boons. It would be no surprise if Renly granted him such a privilege. He might even have brought down the haunch Caswell served him, himself. Unlike the Riverlands, most of the Reach seems to fields and orchards under cultivation, not the kind of land where wild deer would be well tolerated in. Horn Hill is an exception. It clearly has a wood, and the Tarly sigil is a huntsman, implying hunting is a traditional Tarly thing. Perhaps they got their sigil from the Vulture Hunt. House Tarly are on the Dornish Marches. Dorne would look to the Prince of Dorne rather than the King on the Iron Throne for the privileges and dispensations that Dornish Law can grant them, and the dispensations of the King on the Iron Throne do not apply in Dorne. Of course, the Tarly lands are not absolutely in Dorne, but they are in the Marches. In real life the border marches were also known as the debatable lands. Partly because the lords along the borders could and did switch allegiances depending on which kingdom's monarch served them best, and partly because they were lawless places, with more reeving and internecine skulduggery going on than the Wardens of the Marches could deal with. Or in some cases, wanted to deal with. The Marches were intended to be a kind of buffer zone between the Scottish and English Kingdoms proper, where issues like which king ruled navigation along the Tay or owned the swans on it, or taxed the trade over it could be left unresolved. While the border between the kingdoms was blurred, the borders of the Marches were defined, and the King could expect to be obeyed beyond them, at least. When the Wardens of the respective Marches were not at war with each other, they developed and upheld Marcher law, a type of customary law that applied only in the Marches (or not, when the locals got out of their control, or when the Wardens went to war against each other, or when their respective kings were at war with each other). Sometimes the dominant clans would apply some kind of protection racket (the term 'blackmail' originated from these rents farmers paid not to be reeved) regardless of the laws of the Kingdom or the March. And sometimes all law broke down due to extreme reeving. The amount of violence and blood shed over cattle duffing in this area was really extraordinary. The Marches were a haven for criminals and debtors fleeing the laws of other places, and they contributed their chaos, although the locals who knew the territory and had retinues and fortifications enjoyed a distinct home-town advantage. So it would not be surprising if the Tarlys had or believed they had a customary right to hunt without dispensation from the King on the Iron Throne or the Prince of Dorne. It wouldn't surprise me if some Anti-Dornish former King on the Iron Throne had granted Randyll's ancestors the forest rights to land on the Dorne side of the border. For example, the right to hunt in the woods of High Hermitage. In the real world Kings could use forest law that complicated freehold land titles they acknowledged, and blur borders they recognised. The King could for example, grant his liege the right to plant forest on his neighbour's land, deny the neighbour the right to clear it. Or grant a neighbour rights to agistment, pawnage and mastage, and cutting of fern and furtze in his neighbours wood. Even outside the forest proper, there were privileges like the right to collect windfall apples, or allow a neighbour to dam the river, divert the stream, irrigate fields, or place fish traps, that could be used to turn what your neighbour planned to be a battle field into a swamp, or make it impossible for them to sale boats of war or of trade down the river. Such minutiae aside, we know that Tyrion as Joffrey's Hand actually granted Doran the right to man some castles in the Dornish Marches, a decision that Tywin approved, when he returned to Kings Landing. These were presumably on the Reach and Stormland side of the border with Dorne, formerly the castles of Marcher Lords that went over to Stannis. Randyll had marched from Duskendale to King's Landing before Darkstar returned to High Hermitage, and presumably was a young squire and then knight, somewhere far from there. I can't imagine Gerrold Dayne and Randyll Tarly getting along at all. They say good fences make good neighbours, but marches were an alternative to the restrictions, expense and inconvenience of alternatives like Hadrian's wall or the Pale around Dublin. Which didn't make the picts better neighbours for the Romans, or the Irish for the English, now I think about it. Fair enough, but survival cannibalism is not the same as cultural cannibalism. One is something that people of any culture might do in extreme famine. We see survival cannibalism among Stannis's men, at Hardhome, in Astapore. What happened at Harrenhal to Hoat, and at Ramsey's wedding, was categorically different, and not a moral choice on the part of the person who ate the flesh. Eating the bodies of people who have already died, because there is no other food, isn't the same thing as a cultural norm of killing your male neighbours and feasting on them and stealing their widows. That is what the Skagossons are accused of. I strongly suspect it is not because anyone on Skagos has actually become an abomination in the eyes of the Old Gods by feasting on the flesh of men. More likely, that is the excuse Northerners use to justify thinking of Skagossans as less than human, and being prepared to kill them on sight (because they don't understand guest right, and will do worst than that to you if you don't kill them first - think of your wife!). This kind of perception of threat really has nothing to do with survival. There is nothing, beyond the songs and the stories, to suggest the Skagossons threaten or have ever threatened the existence of Northerners - how can they? They are physically isolated from them. The Northerners might say " ah, but that is what the men of Skane thought, too". Really, a justification to shoot Skagossons on sight, because they exist. It is not credible to suggest that a culture old enough to speak the Old Tongue has survived on Skagos for thousands of years in a state of perpetual extreme starvation, surviving on the bodies of ship-wrecked sailors from other parts of the world. The Skagossans have to have some viable food source other than human flesh, or they would have eaten each other to extinction. Even if the songs told the literal truth, it would only mean the current Skagossons' great-great-grandfathers were involved in one documented incident of cannibalism. Cannibalism can't be rampant, because again, they are isolated on an island. Any cannibalism on Skagos has to be sustainable, or, like the unicorn, they simply wouldn't exist. If they really do have wild unicorns, that are extinct everywhere else in Westeros, it would indicate their foodways are more sustainable than the rest of Westeros, and the lands beyond the Wall too. Except that we see crabs and spinach on the table of the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch in late summer, and olive oil sourced in Meereen, because they do have refrigeration and a complex international network of food distribution. While the wormways resemble a modern industrial cold store more than anything else, the sea trading network does resemble what existed in the real medieval. On the whole, the books perhaps overlook the restrictions due to transport too much - look at all the fresh seafood Manderley brings to Winterfell, for example. The little fish Tyrion had for breakfast in Ch.9 of Game of Thrones could have been freshwater, from the moat maybe(even then, with castle sanitation being what it was) ... I'd have thought twice before ordering the fish so far inland, anyway. It really surprises me that poisoners have to get their stock in trade manufactured in Lys from spices in the summer Isles and leaves from the Basilisks, when they could just recommend the fish.
  6. Walda

    Mistakes/Contradictions in the books?

    ^ very true. It's also a bit odd that there are wild aurochs and a shadowcat on (or near) Darry lands, but apparently nowhere else in the Riverlands is so wild, or even apparently the North (Sansa had not seen an aurochs until she saw the three at the feast for the Tourney of the Hand in King's Landing, and Bran had not seen one before the Harvest Feast.) Maybe wild aurochs head North in the summer. Also, thanks to Arya, Darry Lands now have the second to only direwolf south of the wall living off them. ~ ACoK Appendix (also ASoS and AFfC appendices) But at the Red Wedding, when Lord Walder introduces the King in the North to her he says ASoS, Ch.49 Catelyn VI and Tom'o'Sevens tells Merrett Frey ASoS, Epilogue Mind you, there are a lot of Pates. and most of them dead. A stonemason at the Wall, from Maidenpool, who carved the wolfhead pommel of Longclaw and had his own head twisted off by Mag the Mighty (although Pate might have been a nick-name for him), a ranger at the Wall who still lives. Tommen's brutalized but still living whipping boy, An orphan at the Inn at the Crossroads, A novice at the Oldtown citidel and apparently the faceless man that killed him, and four killed by Ser Gregor and his men, apart from Ser Pate ASoS, Ch.34 Arya VI Or perhaps Ser Pate and Old Pate are the same person, explaining why Tom'o'Sevens buried him and still cares enough about his old house and things to tell Arya she was stealing from his garden. But it doesn't seem likely - Amerei at seventeen describes her exhusband as Gallant, and Pate thought he could best Gregor Clegane, neither of which seems likely if Pate were old. Also, Tom'o'Sevens gives other dead knights their honourifics, one would think he would extend the same courtesy to his cousin. Indeed, if Ser Pate isn't one of these, it seems odd that Tom didn't mention his as a Clegane killing. Although, I suppose as Ser Pate actually set out to kill Gregor, in a time of war, it could be because he was killed lawfully on a field of battle. But then, Tom mentions people like Alyn of Winterfell, Joth Quickbow, Ser Raymun Darry, and the Bastard of Bracken, that we know set out as soldiers with the express purpose of killing Gregor Clegane. So I guess maybe Tom found out about his cousin's death after Sandor's trial?
  7. Walda

    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    (AGoT, Ch.43 Eddard XI ) foreshadowing the Tyrell/Lannister union, at the very start of the war of five kings.
  8. Walda

    The Regional Cuisine

    Yeah, I'm not convinced the Skagosi deserve their reputation - we have only heard their history from the point of view of people who are not Skagosi. Davos has sailed past Skagos to deal with the wildlings on the Cobblecat, as a boy. He can deal with wildlings, perhaps including the ice river clans, but doesn't want to go to Skagos ever, has never docked there before. Perhaps some of his alarm is from knowing how difficult it is to avoid shipwreck at Skagos. But at least some seems to be from Davos believing the stories of the Skagossans being ferocious cannibals (and I suspect a lot is due to GRRM wanting to end ADwD Ch.29 Davos IV with a dramatic flourish). Thing is, in real life there is this thing where colonising powers claim the natives are cannibals in order to justify some of the more unconscionable acts of brutality against them. This happened to the Sioux, Hawaiians, Australian Butchulla people, none of whom were at all. Also the Aztecs and the Maori, who admittedly did have cultural cannibalism. The evidence we have is in the form of songs, and stories from an uprising against the North 100 years earlier, and mostly and especially legends from a more ancient time than that. All of these are cultural devices colonial powers use to tell the historical narrative that serves them best. The way GRRM has Roose Bolton, of all people, claim that 'only the heart trees ever see half of what they do on Skagos' - as he justifies his rape of the miller's wife, of all times to mention it, seems ironic and knowing to me. I mean, Bolton, the guy with the stark-skin lampshade in the study, the one that taught his bastard that a flayed man has no secrets. So all we know thus far about the Skagossans is from notoriously unreliable sources, rumours, and Roose the rapist. Not a single person who is Skagossan or knows a Skagossan to contradict it. That rings alarm bells for me, sounds a lot like Old Nan's stories of the wildlings who drank blood from skull chalices, and the ghouls that ate the flesh of the dead at Hardhome, and the giants that lived on a diet of highborn maidens. We know there were a couple of Skagossans at the wall when Donal Noye came 18 years ago. Haven't heard there was any trouble with people being eaten at the wall, in that time. The carrack Summer's Dream sailed to Skagos (Gulltown, Three Sisters, Skagos, Eastwatch) from King's Landing with Janos Slynt and his hand-picked hundred, who seem to have arrived whole and entire. So not every ship that lands on Skagos is treated like a floating bodega. And bluff bold Ser Janos lived to tell the tale (but didn't have that tale to tell). I think we have reason to suspect the cannibalism stories. If what you mean by 'skagosi style' was living off crabs, baby seals, flotsam and fish, I'm sorry I misunderstood you, and heartily agree. But hopefully we will find out in TWoW that they have a unique island cuisine (Like the Japanese, for example.) It would be funny if Davos was fed little bits of this and that, not knowing it was beanpaste, tofu, pickled radish, trying to work out who it came from.
  9. Walda

    Why do people dislike Stannis?

    It seems to me that it isn't so much about hating Stannis as loving life, which Stannis will take from them for ever opposing him. Petyr Baelish is a practised liar, but I don't think he oversteps the truth when he argues against giving Stannis what is his by rights: (AGoT, Ch.47 Eddard XIII) Robert didn't trust Stannis to bury the hatchet when that was required (Ned wasn't his first choice for hatchet burying either, but when the choice was down to him, Renly, Stannis, Jaime, or Petyr Baelish...he figured Eddard was the fairest choice.) Time and again Stannis answers the fears of people who were considering bending the knee to him - he lets Melisandre burn Alester Florent and crown his old Maester with cowbells, and imprisons the smuggler Hand Davos for sedition, at exactly the point that the Tyrells and the Florents and the houses of the Reach were deciding which King to cast in their lot with, now Renly was dead through some kind of Stark plot or feminine sorcery. (ADwD, Ch.35 Jon VII) Well, you could say that the burnings are on Melisandre, but that would only bring me to another problem with Stannis - he shirks responsibility. Melisandre (and Davos, and Sallador Saan) are appointed by him, to act in his name. When they burn people, skulk around doing sleazy undercover jobs, take to piracy, people have every right and reason to blame King Stannis for what they do in his name, whether or not Stannis choses to know what they do. As Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, Jon knows this problem himself, but he deals with it in good faith, while Stannis just resents that people have the impudence to question him and doubt his right to rule. At the moment, he has allied with the clansmen, some of the most underhand and quarrelsome men of the North, and also has an army of former Wildlings, also cunning and quarrelsome, and sworn enemies of the Northern clans. He is looking more wraith-like and burnt out every day, and if he survives this campaign, well, the thought of him at the Nightfort with his kneelers and his clansmen and his ice queen and his fire woman and his death child...I'm guessing they won't pull together like the Brady Bunch. Stannis isn't good at remembering the duty he owes other people. For example, it was his duty as Lord of the Admiralty to attend Eddard Stark's small council. Renly knew it was demanded not just by duty, but ambition as well. Eddard would have done what he could to make Stannis Warden of the East, Hand to the King, King, if Stannis had been there to receive the honours that he considered to be his by rights. Instead, he took off to Dragonstone and started preparing to fight against his brother's realm as soon as Robert was on his way to offer Eddard the Handship. If any man treated him like that, he would not be slow to see how treasonous these actions were. It was Davos that reminded him that a King protects his people, and Melisandre that convinced him that the Wall would serve him, if he answered their call. He is like Joffrey rather than Tywin when he has an enemy on its knees. He won't help them, he will kill them. It is his biggest weakness, their biggest fear. Perhaps his new tactic of championing the North will go some way to allaying the fears of weak enemies who are thinking of joining him. They might see he hasn't killed Asha or Theon, and trust his mercy. But it doens't seem to go with his character to do that, or to care that the lives of Lady Sybell and her son depend on his mercy. Also, it doesn't seem to be much in the nature of his new weak enemies (the Umbers and Karstarks and Manderleys and so on) to feel anything but anger at his showing mercy to the Ironborn. Even if an alliance with Theon and Asha against Erik Iron-maker makes perfect sense.
  10. Walda

    The Regional Cuisine

    Fave Avoid Healthiest Easiest Dorne grape leaves stuffed with a mélange of raisins, onions, mushrooms and firey dragon peppers. AFfC, Ch.40 The Princess In The Tower Lemons AFfC, Ch.02 The Captain Of Guards a bowl of purple olives, flatbread, cheese, chickpea paste. AFfC, Ch.02 The Captain Of Guards Blood oranges AFfC, Ch.02 The Captain Of Guards Dothraki haunch of goat roasted with sweetgrass and firepods, basted with honey AGoT, Ch.36 Daenerys IV raw horse heart AGoT, Ch.46 Daenerys V fruits and vegetables AGoT, Ch.36 Daenerys IV a flagon of water, cold AGoT, Ch.68 Daenerys IX Reach suckling pig in plum sauce stuffed with chestnuts and white truffles AFfC, Prologue Arbor gold ASoS, Ch.19 Tyrion III great loaves of brown bread ACoK, Ch.22 Catelyn II peaches and pomegranates AGoT, Ch.25 Eddard V Westerlands suckling pig, skin seared and crackling AGoT, Ch.62 Tyrion VIII fertility posset of herbs and milk and ale ASoS Ch.20 Catelyn III Fish from the Sunset Sea AGoT, Ch.21 Tyrion III three chickens, and a flagon of wine AGoT, Ch.42 Tyrion VI Slaver's Bay honeyed lamb, fragrant with crushed mint and served with small green figs ADwD,Ch.23 Daenerys IV Feast of Pyramid of Ullhor ADwD,Ch.30 Daenerys V Autumn greens and ginger soup ADwD,Ch.30 Daenerys V figs and dates and olives ASoS,Ch.57 Daenerys V North Sausage and pinenut/ blackberry oatcakes. ASoS Ch.24 Bran II wedding pies, stuffed to bursting with carrots, onions, turnips, parsnips, mushrooms, and chunks of seasoned pork swimming in a savory brown gravy. ADwD Ch.37 Prince of Winterfell salads of spinach and chickpeas and turnip greens AGoT Ch.41 Jon V pears poached in strongwine ACoK Ch.21 Bran III Iron Islands Onion Pie ACoK Ch.24 Theon II Finger dancers ACoK Ch.24 Theon II black bread ACoK Ch.24 Theon II Cold beef and Mustard AFfC Ch.11 The Kraken'sDaughter Skagos Crab AFfC, Ch.15 Samwell II Unicorn ADwD, Ch.09 Davos I Crab AFfC, Ch.15 Samwell II Seal or Crab AFfC, Ch.15 Samwell II Free Folk roast mutton ASoS Ch.07 Jon I Any meat at Hardhome ADwD Ch.39 Jon VIII Ch.45 The Blind Girl hen off a skewer ASoS Ch.07 Jon I Brace of hens ASoS Ch.07 Jon I Pentos delicate pastries AGoT, Ch.11 Daenerys II Purple urine ASoS, Ch.10 Davos II Cherries ADwD Ch.01 Tyrion I fat black mushrooms kissed with garlic and bathed in butter ADwD Ch.01 Tyrion I Braavos Hot peppers and fried fish, bread fresh from the oven, sardines fried crisp in pepper oil ADwD, Ch.45 The Blind Girl bowls of blood ADwD, Ch.64 The Ugly Little Girl onion broth from soup shop ADwD, Ch.64 The Ugly Little Girl cockles, clams and mussels AFfC, Ch.22 Arya II Naath Bare-hand caught fish with fruit and garden herbs ADwD, Ch.11 Daenerys II Butterflys ASoS,Ch.71 Daenerys VI Fruit ASoS,Ch.71 Daenerys VI Fruit ASoS,Ch.71 Daenerys VI The quality of the answer is limited by the question. Perhaps you might have chosen the Vale or the Riverlands over the Westerlands and the lands beyond the Wall, Qarth rather than Naath. I'm wondering if you are even going to try to form an answer to your own question. And of course I am not going to tell you what I think of the foods of westeros - this post would be too long even if I just told you what I think of the foods listed above. When you say 'better for the environment', do you mean in Planetos, or in this world? In both worlds, the best for the environment are raw foods locally available and in abundance, but which foods depends on where. I'm guessing from the size of their cities and their pre-industrial state that they have less impact on their environment than we have on ours, although there are issues like city sanitation and rivers, and reliance on wood fires for cooking, that could make worse pollution in some places than we are used to. Septa Mordane tells Sansa that there are still wild aurochs in the Neck, and there do not seem to be any wild aurochs in the Wolfwood, or anywhere but the Neck south of that, so I would probably take aurochs off the menu, except King Robert wouldn't and he rules the realm. Sustainability: Winter is coming. They have just finished a ten year summer. Preparing for the change of seasons is about as close as Planetos gets to the concept of sustainability, and while Westeros seems very poorly prepared for the next season, they are doing better than our response to climate change, and than Essos, which doesn't seem to be aware of the issue. No ravens from the citidel to remind the free cities that autumn and winter are on their way, no magisters telling farmers to set by a percentage of their crop, no feudal system obliging farmers to abide by their landlord's advice, whether it comes from the citidel, or the hedge wizard, or their leige lord. Jorah has told Dany how distinctly seasonal the Dothraki Sea is, but the Lhazareen and the Meereenese go about their farming and grazing as if there were no seasons. Braavos has no wood but what is in its boats, and seems to be a place where the winter is normally cold. You would think there would be warehouses full of wood suitable for cooking with, even in the summer. If there are we haven't seen them. Although sustainability is a woolly concept in this world, too. Perhaps because it is prosecuted by retailers that wish to reduce it to a low-cost marketing ploy, and producers that want to create a premium brand for their same old product that is produced in the same old way for the same old exploitative markets. For example, if a retailer of coffee finds Fairtrade products are taking a demographic from them, but they are not willing to relinquish a price-making hold on the market that gives them the ability to buy at less than cost of production, as long as they don't insist on slavery-free farming practices, well, instead they can specify that some of their producers join the Rainforest Alliance and put that logo on their disposable coffee cups so their customers are not bothered by unpleasant thoughts about where their joe comes from. If one farm takes advantage of a government subsidy to put in a bio-fuel plant that makes their on-farm processing cheaper when they turn it on, or another goes to spraying pesticides when bug checks indicate it will be most effective rather than on a fortnightly basis regardless, and viola, the farmers have done something that makes them eligible for certification while increasing their profit margins enough to more than pay for certification and their retail friends can claim to have Rainforest Alliance partners and make that claim and use that logo (even if it is only for two in a hundred producers) and avoid issues like why the market price is so low and whether the labourers are getting paid or are in fact slaves. Fair Trade is not necessarily good for the environment, either - just good for people who would otherwise be unpaid or underpaid for their work. Anyhow, it seems especially pointless to talk about sustainability as an in-world concept in A Song of Ice and Fire - except to note that, as in the real world, war and reeving are the most unsustainable ways of getting food to people.
  11. Walda

    Is Tommen being poisoned?

    Well, yes, but mixed up and not right. Eg. Cirrhosis doesn't swell a person's belly up or make them too fat for their amour in just a few months, it takes years. The shakes, nightmares, hallucinations and fits are symptoms of DT's, experienced after drying out for a few days, while the swollen tongue and dry mouth are hangover symptoms, experienced after a night of heavy drinking. The shining eyes are a sign of inebriation. Also, GRRM mentions the symptoms for a purpose (admittedly, that purpose could be to confuse and confound the reader). Merrett drinks heavily, but his headache is the consequence of a blow to the head as a squire. The Greatjon drinks heavily, but he is unaffected by alcohol (perhaps because he is drunk all the time, perhaps because he is a clumsy belligerent bonehead when sober, too.) Edmure likes to drink, but any symptoms he experiences go unnoticed. Hoster hardly drinks at all, just the dreamwine given to him by his maester, but he has some symptoms not unlike Cersei, Robert and Boros. Dontos is perpetually drunk, but he doesn't. The only words that stay in a novel are the ones that serve the story, so there is a reason for the dark circles under King Robert's eyes when he meets Eddard, that he is drinking beer from a horn, not wine from a skin, when he finds he is too big for his armour and confides to Eddard that the only thing that keeps him on the throne is the thought of Cersei as Queen Regent. I came across this pattern of symptoms with Cersei, looking at the relationship between lemons and Cersei, and then, phantom pregnancy imagery in Cersei's story, and lemons with spiced wine/hippocras, and had a look at Lysa's arc for the same things, then noticed Boros, then Robert. It could be just alcoholism, but I don't think it is in the story because it is just alcoholism. Cersei feels triumphant when Robert is gored by the bull, Lancel feels like a Kingslayer. They might both be kidding themselves, it might just have been that Robert was too drunk to dodge the boar. The boar might not be BloodRaven. But GRRM has been selective with his words to get us thinking otherwise, and keep us guessing.
  12. Walda

    Is Tommen being poisoned?

    Not Tommen, Cersei. Boros and Cersei both drink spiced wine. As a digestive to settle a stomach. Notice that, during AFfC, Cersei is becoming bloated (Dorcas can't pull her dresses tight enough), often experiences tongue swelling, mouth dry (particularly on waking), nightmares and restless sleep, and shiny wet eyes. Cersei goes into withdrawal while she is in the Sept of Baelor (either that, or they were putting something in her bread and water...or they put something in her roast capon meal that alleviated her symptoms and helped her sleep soundly.) It makes her paranoid, and mad, and ill. But she is back to her old ways in the epilogue of Dance of Dragons. Because they are Southrons, there is lemon in their spiced wine. I'm thinking, the reason Northerners don't put lemon in their spiced wine, in spite of believing in its tooth-preserving properties when combined with alcohol, is because the North remembers that it is toxic when combined with an exotic spice - I'm guessing one from the Summer Islands, because they are the ones with the spiced rum and spiced wine and exotic spices. Prime suspects: Jalabar Xho, who is attempting to interest Margaery in his war. Varys/Illyrio - probably through a proxy, I'm guessing Varys has only just got back to Westeros and has been in Essos disguised as a sellsword while Cersei was being slowly poisoned. Illyrio as a trader of spices would know where to get them. Baelish/Redwynes - Lady Olenna is not above suspicion, we have Petyr Baelish's word that she poisoned Joffrey, after all. But it is Petyr Baelish that has the rewarding special relationship with Lord Redwyne, and distributes Redwyne wines across the world. And Lord Redwyne's request that he not be rewarded with lands or titles or gold but only with exemption of duty on a particular vintage of one of his select wines, seems like an arrangement he must have made after consulting with his distributor. Fine Arbor wines are the poisoner's brand of choice - look at Dany's attempted poisoning. The wineseller at the western markets, that is. I personally think that the chilled wine Kezmya Pahl served Fat Belwas in the fighting pits was intended by her mother and aunts to avenge Oznak zo Pahl, and the sweet spicy locust purge saved his life - and might have saved Jon Arryn, if Westeros had sweet spiced locusts and his constitution had been strong enough. Lysa believes Jon Arryn was given Tears of Lys in his chilled wine, because Petyr Baelish told her that. Still, not good for Dany that Kezmya is alive and the children of her enemies are still cupbearers. Also, Viserys might have been drinking madness-making wine before he drew his sword in Vaes Dothrak - Jorah wanted his lordship back, had little love for Viserys, and the fact that the small council and Robert knew he corresponded with Varys would disguise not prevent Petyr Baelish reaching out to him through his contacts in the trade. Cersei mentioned to Tyrion when she took Alayaya that she had a new catspaw and distrusted Varys. Marei could have been the Baelish brothel plant that noticed how rested Alayaya was when she visited Lord Tyrion, and how rapidly Alayaya was progressing through her book, and wagered with Dancy to see if Tyrion would take her to the upper room, when it became clear that Alayaya could not be drawn on the subject. And of course, Petyr had got Cersei the goldcloaks and Ned's head shortly before Tyrion arrived in King's Landing. With Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon both dead from wine, he had no-one more highly ranked than the Queen Regent to serve, after all (except perhaps Lord Renly). There isn't much in Westeros that can't be blamed on Lord Baelish, though. I do have a heap of quotes to support this (or at least explain where I'm getting this from) - I'll add them to this post later, when I get a chance. ETA: I don't doubt that it is, but Tommen is as stout and well as Kevan in the epilogue of Dance with Dragons.
  13. Quote? After Duskendale, he seems to be a 'brutal, capricious' shut in. In his youth we hear he was handsome, and capable of charming when he chose. Early in his reign we learn he was 'active and lively' a good dancer, and full of grand schemes that came to nothing. Aegon IV ("The Unworthy") was known to give away priceless treasures to lords that managed to please him. Perhaps you mean him? While Aerys was also capricious and unworthy, he does not seem to have been generous, nor generally pleasure-seeking. He certainly wasn't generous to the smallfolk. He allowed Tywin to remove the rights and protections of Smallfolk, and their Lords to increase their wealth by way of customs and duties their smallfolk paid for. These changes were popular with the Lords, but as they levied the taxes themselves, and Tywin was the guy that allowed them to, it would be hard for even then to call him generous on that account. On the OP, I think there are a couple of things about Aerys that Hoster would have noticed in particular. One is that Aerys sent Lord Steffon off to Essos to find a bride of "maid of noble birth from a proud Valyrian bloodline" rather than consider the daughter of any of his Lord bannermen. He did finally marry his son to one of his lord bannermen, but not hin, not his Catelyn, who was at age (and in fact, had been engaged to Brandon Stark already). The second thing is, almost as soon as Hoster lines up Jaime Lannister for Lysa, Aerys takes the boy into his Kingsguard. And then Aerys murders Catelyn's intended. Hoster is given no reason to love his king. If Aerys wants him to be his chum, it's probably a trap because he suspects his loyalty. If it isn't, Aerys would probably be teaching his former friend Tywin a lesson. A lesson that Tywin might punish Hoster for. At best he would get nothing but Tywin sitting with his army on Hoster's doorstep, cool and collected, waiting until Hoster's men marched off to spill their blood at the Kings command in some pointless skirmish in the Stormlands or Dorne or wherever Aerys in his paranoid madness dictated. At worst, he would come to King's Landing to burn like Rickard Stark, and his son with him. On the other hand, Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark were offering to join their hosts to his. If Tywin decided to attack the riverlands, they would help him fight him off. They were capable battle commanders and they belonged to two of the most ancient and powerful houses in the kingdom. And they would ensure his daughters were married in spite of all Aerys had done to disrupt that. If worse came to worst, there was always a chance Edmure would be allowed to renew his loyalty to the throne when Hoster had died rebelling against it. But the side that won the Riverlands would win the war, and the rebels were sane and competent commanders, while the King didn't even trust his son and ensured his armies were mis-managed, denying the reality of his enemies dispositions when he knew them, or else killing the messenger in his rage. History would tell Hoster that the war would be won or lost in the Riverlands. That is where armies get bogged down. Looking at the Gods Eye and Harrenhal in particular, we can see that was where wars had ended decisively since the First Men warred with the Children of the Forest. Maybe even before that. Hoster knows his territory, knows his Brackens and his Blackwoods and his Freys and his Darrys. He is knowledge and cousel would be a winning asset, if he was allowed to offer it. Stark and Arryn respected him as an equal, Aerys treated everyone like servants that had to obey. Not only did he have more to win on the rebel side, Hoster had more opportunity to win it. It was still a huge risk, until he knew what side Tywin was on, but in many ways, there was less risk in throwing his lot in with the rebels.
  14. Walda

    Wow, I never noticed that v.16

    (ADwD, Ch.54 Cersei I) a/ Qyburn has learnt the secret of the Many-Faced God - or rather, the reverse of it. Much less waste if they teamed up - The faceless men could take the dead faces, Qyburn the bodies. b/ Cersei knows her champion will have Gregor Clegane's body. ETA: @Lost Melniboneanv ...Ah, yes. And Cersei knows because Qyburn told her earlier: AFfC,Ch.43 Cersei X
  15. Walda

    Genderbending ASOIAF characters

    If Varys were female, there wouldn't need to be a lot changed in his arc. Was he born a slave in Lys? We have only Pycelle's word that he was anyway, and Pycelle doesn't give his sources. Of course, the story of how he lost his manhood would have to be reinterpreted, or turn out to be just that, a story to explain how he lost his manhood. There would also need to be some reason why his womanhood escapes notice - although he is a master of disguise, trained in a mummer's troupe, and there is no reason to suppose he would be less successful as an actor if he was female. Beyond that, I think a female Varys's arc could foreshadow Arya's arc. In some ways it would make a lot more sense if Varys had in fact been a daughter of a ruling family in Westeros, natural or legitimate, abducted or otherwise sold into slavery in Essos, and determined to escape and wield power in her native land as a consequence, Knowing how powerless women are in the patriarchy might have inspired her to create the Spider, with his shadowy web of secrets, and his army of little lowborn boys and girls, with and without tongues.