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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Foreshadowing is a literary device in which a writer gives an advance hint of what is to come later in the story. After eleven threads most of the low-hanging fruit has been discovered and discussed. But this forum gets new members all the time, so feel free to post and identify foreshadowing passages, even if the foreshadowed events have already happened. One through Eleven... http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/66352-moments-of-foreshadowing/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/73174-moments-of-foreshadowing-2/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/78727-moments-of-foreshadowing-3/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/81408-moments-of-foreshadowing-4/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/91766-moments-of-foreshadowing-5/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/98189-moments-of-foreshadowing-6/#entry5040595 http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/101984-moments-of-foreshadowing-7-tpatq-spoilers/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/104421-moments-of-foreshadowing-8-tpatq-spoilers/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/110630-moments-of-foreshadowing-9/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/117219-moments-of-foreshadowing-10/ http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/137927-moments-of-foreshadowing-v11/ To start this thread, I thought I might ask whether this... Reek II, Dance 20 Foreshadows this... A Ghost in Winterfell, Dance 46 And then this... The Sacrifice, Dance 62 And just in case you think that the George didn't have Theon's arc plotted out from the beginning... Bran IV, Game 24 Oh, and note the mist--was Bloodraven trying to wake up Theon?
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    When he gets up on that green dragon, proving without a doubt [smiles enigmatically] once and for all that the noblest lad that ever lived is a true Targaryen, he might want to draw a lot of attention to that dagon of his. But I'm only wagering a copper.
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Shmedricko... Shmedricko... Now, that's a name I've not heard in a long time... a long time.
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Rhaenyra Overthrown, Fire and Blood The way this is written recalls the stallion that mounts the world. The prophet/preacher is definitely referring to a dragon, and no dragon burns King's Landing, but perhaps he has had a vision of Drogon, and Drogon's mother?
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    I am wondering whether Queen Helaena's possible murder might foreshadow Margaery's fate. If Mace and Randyll meet their ends near Bronzegate, and with her brothers far from King's Landing, I could totally see Cersei having Margaery chucked out the window, and trying to spin it as grief for Loras and her father.
  7. He was playing a long game and relishing it... https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/89914-littlefinger-hired-a-faceless-man-to-kill-ned/
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    Targaryen Illness

    ASOIAF is high fantasy rather than hard fantasy, so the how is less important than the how, I think, no?
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    In Rhaenyra Triumphant, Fire and Blood, Nettles feeds Sheepstealer a black ram, slitting the throat herself, so that her riding leathers become stained with blood when she mounted her dragon. There is a lot of potential symbolism here. First note the colors involved: black, red, and brown, suggesting that the little brown girl on the brown dragon does have a drop of dragonblood. Also, the ram is a symbol of virility, suggesting that Mysaria told it true in that Nettles was pregnant with Daemon's child. And we know that the George knows his Shakespeare, and we recall that the black ram was tupping the white ewe in Othello, suggesting that Daemon was indeed sleeping with Nettles. Finally, recall there was some discussion about whether Nettles was a maiden before flying off with Daemon. That discussion seemed a bit extraneous, but with this phrase, "Her riding leathers were stained with blood when she mounted her dragon," the author suggests that Nettles was a maiden when she came to Daemon's bed.
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    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Rhaenyra Triumphant, Fire and Blood Foreshadows Robert's Rebellion, and suggests that Robert's Rebellion was not an accident of history but a necessary antecedant to the promised prince.
  11. It's been a while since I've seen one of these threads, and I was just listening to Metallica's Creeping Death, which always makes me think of poor Jon Connington. Your turn... ETA How about Black Sabbath's A Bit of Finger? I swear Motorhead wrote In the Year of the Wolf for Arya. Led Zeppelin's The Immigrant Song makes me think of the Ironmen. How about Iron Maiden's Invaders for Lord Humfrey Hewett? How about Stealin' by Uriah Heep for Dareon? King Edd of House Tollet said: I just realized that Burn from Deep Purple describes almost perfectly Melisandre. Any bluegrass fans? How about Pretty Polly (my favorite version is by Ralph Stanley and Patty Loveless) for Chett? How about UFO's Love to Love for Young Griff and Jon? Well, just the colors anyway... Misty green and blue... How 'bout a couple a Judas Priest songs... Screaming for Vengeance for Rickard Karstark and Rapid Fire for Gregor Clegane? Had a Dad by Jane's Addiction always makes me think of Robert Baratheon. The only song for Daenerys is Meu limão, Meu limoeiro by José Carlos Burle, better known in the U.S. as Lemon Tree, sung by various artists, notably Peter, Paul and Mary. How about The Mob Rules by Black Sabbath for Rhaenyra? I Know a Little by Lynard Skynard for Jon in the cave with Ygritte when he gave her the lord's kiss. Oo-De-Lally, Roger Miller for Tom O'Sevens. Iron Maiden by Iron Maiden for Ramsey. Kill the King by Rainbow for Aerys. Steeler by Judas Priest for Wyman Manderly. War Pigs by Black Sabbath for the Five Kings, or better yet, for Sept on Maribald. Light My Fire by The Doors for Orell's eagle. Breadfan by Budgie for Hot Pie. Old Man by Neil Young is for Tyrion, innit, Aunt Genna? How about Angry Eyes by Loggins and Messina for Lord Rykker? Wheels of Confusion by Black Sabbath for Sansa.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    Ah, yes, you're right. I guess the beheaded septon was not stuck in a crow's cage then?
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    Who killed Jon Arryn?

    Petyr most certainly did initiate the open hostility between between House Lannister and House Stark. War was between the two houses was inevitable once Eddard concluded that the Queen had poisoned the Hand to cover up the true parentage of her children.
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    Danaerys surviving?

    Daenerys IX, Game 68 The pronoun “he” above, of course, refers to Drogo, whom Daenerys was about to send off into the night lands. Will Drogo return? Quentyn son of Prince Doran of House Martell, whose sigil is the sun, rose in the west when he left Dorne, and he set in the east when he was killed in Meereen. Our lovely dragon queen notes in Daenerys X, Dance 71, that the Dothraki Sea is going dry. When she sits among her persimmon trees and lemon trees atop the Great Pyramid of Meereen and looks upon the smaller pyramids, she feels as if she is “atop the highest mountain in the world,” thus comparing the pyramids to mountains. Since then, one such “mountain” has collapsed in ruins, and the dragons have turned two more into smoking lairs. That leaves us with Daenerys’s womb quickening again, and her bearing a living child. Even if what Daenerys went through on her recent walk about was a miscarriage, that would not satisfy the elements above. A quickening happens when a mother-to-be can feel the fetus moving. However, since the other elements have been satisfied, and since this is a fantasy filled with prophecy and foreshadowing, I would think that Daenerys’s womb will quicken again, and she will bear a living child, and her son will sit the Iron Throne... Daenerys IV, Game 36 Her son will be Aegon’s son... Daenerys I, Game 3 Daenerys VI, Storm 71 Daenerys I, Dance 2 Tyrion VI, Dance 22 The love won’t last, of course... Tyrion I, Clash 3 Arianne I, Winds And Daenerys will vanquish Aegon... The Ugly Little Girl, Dance 64 Daenerys was the first head. Aegon, red with rust, is revealed to be the second. Jon will be revealed to be the third. Although a dragon is still a dragon whether it is black or red, Aegon is the mummer’s dragon... Daenerys V, Clash 63 And Daenerys will slay the fraud... Daenerys IV, Clash 48 Their wee Targlet will live, but Daenerys won’t... Daenerys IV, Clash 48 The last fire Daenerys will light will be the one that is lit to consume her lifeless body after she dies giving birth to her child, a fire to love. Drogo will not return to Daenerys, but Daenerys will return to Drogo. As to the three mounts she must ride, "one to bed and one dread and one to love," most of us suspect the first is her silver with Drogo to the grassy place beside a small stream, and that the second is Drogo’s namesake Drogon. The third mount will be the smoky stallion Daenerys will ride to join her sun-and-stars in the Night Lands.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    And wasn't there a septon speaking ill of Bloodraven who was left to rot in a crow cage outside Stoney Sept in The Sworn Sword?
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    Who killed Jon Arryn?

    He never actually does. The description of the man Varys suggests killed Jon Arryn could describe Petyr as well.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    And Rorge and Biter, and the faceless man that paid Arya's debt to the red god were caged.
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    Winged Snake over Winterfell

    Here is a short thread with links to other threads... keep an eye out for red herrings. They're best when they're salted and smoked... http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/91460-what-did-summer-see-over-winterfell-dragon/
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    Meu limão, meu limoeiro

    The original thread, here, was archived. The mods are not mocked, so I will begin anew... As you might recall, when we see lemons, things don't usually end well... In Sansa I, Game 15, she was looking forward to lemon cakes in the queen's wheelhouse, but her day ended with her prince's loathing and contempt. Samwell's early childhood went from snitching lemon cakes to contempt, abuse, and banishment by his father. In Sansa II, Game 29, Sansa went from enjoying lemon cakes with Joffrey at the feast following the first day of jousting to being escorted back to her cell by the Hound. In Sansa III, Game 44, Sansa and Jeyne (poor Jeyne) looked for lemon cakes in the kitchen, but at the end of the chapter learned her father was sending back to Winterfell. Sansa shared lemon cakes with the Tyrells before being forced to wed the imp. On the morning Sansa was forced to marry the imp, along with the new gown, Cersei sent her favorite scents for Sansa's use too. Of course, "Sansa chose a sharp sweet fragrance with a hint of lemon in it under the smell of flowers." I've got a bad feeling about this. Before donning the ugly little girl's face, the kindly man gave a girl a drink so tart it was like biting into lemon. That made "no one" think of Arya's sister, and Sansa's fondness for lemon cakes. In Arya V, Game 65, Arya offered to trade a fat pigeon for a lemon, but ened up at her father's execution. Jeor Mormont drank lemon in his beer every day. He still had his own teeth but his men mutinied and murdered him. At Bitterbridge, Renly's bannermen feasted on lemon cakes. Of course, Renly's campaign ened shortly thereafter. As Davos sailed with Stannis's fleet into Blackwater Bay, he observed Aegon's High Hill, dark against a lemon sky. That's an odd description for a sky, no? As Davos turned downstream, the mouth of the Blackwater Rush had turned into the mouth of hell. At Edmure's wedding feast Catelyn noted that Ryman Frey had bathed in lemon water but failed to mask his sour sweat, and that Roose smelled sweeter but no more pleasant. The Feast did not end on a happy note. At Joffrey's wedding feast Tyrion had a slice of pigeon pie covered with a spoon of lemon cream. A few paragraphs later Tyrion stood accused of regicide. That was the last of 18 dishes served to Joffrey just before he choked. On the night Daenerys was sold to the savage she smelled sweet lemon among other eastern scents. Cersei drank lemon water so tart she had to spit it out the morning she learned that Tyrion had murdered their father. When Cersei entered Maggy the Frog's tent, one of the eastern scents she smelled was lemongrass. Before the night was done Cersei would learn that Melara had a crush on Jaime, and Melara would die at the bottom of a well. Lem Lemoncloak just reeks of bitterness and disappointment, and Doran's Water Gardens smell of lemons and blood oranges. Anybody think Dorne is going end up happy with their blood and fire? In The Queenmaker, Arianne noticed that Darkstar preferred lemon water to summer wine, and she served lemonsweet to Myrcella before Darkstar cut off Myrcella's ear amidst lemon orchards watered by a spider's web of old canals. Arianne’s first meal while locked in the tower included kind roasted with lemon. And the soup at the feast to welcome Gregor's head was made with eggs and lemons. Stannis enjoys boiled eggs and lemon water for breakfast, and, well, I think we all know his end will be bitter and disappointing. In Jon IV, Dance 17, Stannis offers lemon water to Jon. Wisely, Jon refuses. Stannis drinks more. Just after Tyrion plants the notion of sailing to Westeros without Daenerys in the noble lad's head, the merry band aboard the Shy Maid enjoy a pike with lemon juice, and they learn that Daenerys hasn't left Meereen. Aegon fatefully decides to go west insteaed of east. Anybody think Aegon will win the dance? And Tyrion decides to go whoring after dinner, and meets his new buddy Jorah. Tyrion suspected Yezzan was drinking lemon water as the yellow whale bid on him and Penny. Tyrion served Nurse lemonsweet with the mushrooms from Illyrio's garden.The Green Grace accepted a goblet of sweeetened lemon juice from the Queen's hand, just before infected corpses started flying over the walls. Oh, and guess what kind of trees Daenerys has in her terrace garden in Meereen? And we see a lemon in one of the ancillary novellas... When Dunk has a personal feast, feeling what it means to be a knight for the first time at the beginning of The Hedge Knight, he dines on lamb and an even better duck cooked with cherries and lemons quaff in it down with four tankards of a thick, nut brown ale. By the end of the novella, though, Prince Maekar had slain his brother, Baelor Breakspear, who died defending Dunk against Prince Aerion's accusations. Well, I am finally getting around to reading Fire & Blood, and I am seeing that the estrangement between Jaehaerys and Alysanne almost resulted in Alysanne renouncing her marriage and spending the rest of her life as a silent sister due to the grief and pain--grief and pain born of frustrations that started with Vaegon and Daella. And, of course, Vaegon had such a pinched sour cast to his mouth that men suspected he had recently been sucking on a--yeap, you guessed it--a lemon.
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    Meu limão, meu limoeiro

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    "The Ice Dragon" (1980 book by GRRM)

    Yeap. That's the one.
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    Illyrio's Motives

    This thread was archived, but I would like to add something from Fire and Blood... A Time of Testing, Fire and Blood Compare that to what we know of Magister Illyrio Mopatis... Tyrion II, Dance 5 Clearly, Illyrio was not just a poor bravo.
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    Wow, I never noticed that. Vol. 18

    Love, for Arianne.
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    What will happen when the dragon horn is sound?

    We know that Rhaegal circle above the Slavers Bay near Meereen, banking and turning as longships and galleys clash and burn below him, prowling and soaring in wide circles above the city and the bay on great green wings. But without a drop of dragonblood, will Victarion be able to claim him?
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