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Lost Melnibonean

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  1. Wow, I never noticed that Rhaenyra never had a problem with Daemon and Mysaria, and Rhaenyra only had a problem with Nettles after Mysaria openly accused Nettles of sharing Daemon’s bed. and that’s what Daemon must have been hinting at when he said a queen’s words, a whore’s work…
  2. This… Theon’s impression of Jeyne Poole in The Prince of Winterfell, Dance Made me think of this… Jon to Arya in Arya I, Dance
  3. Oh wow, I never noticed that Lady Barbrey of House Dustin gave Little Walder and Big Walder grey colts… GUEST GIFTS!
  4. This… The Wayward Bride, Dance Made me think of Sansa’s conspiracy to escape with Dontos. And that got me thinking of this.
  5. After leaving the Shy Maid for the Golden Company encampment Aegon passes willows, poppies and a windmill. The willows make sense since he was following the course of the Rhoyne. Poppies are sometimes used in literature to symbolize rebirth and a remembrance of the fallen in battle. Windmills suggest imaginary enemies and futile battles.
  6. If Aegon is The Blackfyre, I don’t think Lemore knows, since she tries to persuade Jon Connington not to reveal him to the Golden Company at Volon Therys.
  7. Why do you suppose The George had Quaithe stand under a persimmon tree?
  8. Why do you suppose The George had Quaithe stand under a persimmon tree?
  9. Before the show runners did what they did a lot of folks here argued vociferously that Stannis was the Azor Ahai.
  10. No. One of her blood riders told Quaithe not to touch Daenerys.
  11. This… Bran I, Dance 4 Foreshadows the wight ambush in Bran I, Dance 13.
  12. I don’t know about Maester Aemon, but in Daenerys I, Dance 2, The George has Viserion coiled round a pear tree. The pear is often used to symbolize femininity. And later Quentyn notes that Viserion has been nesting.
  13. I have decided that Tom of Sevenstreams sounds like a cross between Paul Rogers and Ian Anderson.
  14. Peter plans to have Harry the Heir marry Sansa, then kill Sweetrobin, and then kill Harry as soon as he has a son with Sansa. Then he can marry Sansa and at least claim to rule three of the Seven Kingdoms.
  15. If Fat Walda weighed in at 19 stone maybe Walder only paid 19 silver stags.
  16. Never mind… It has to be an ERROR. It would force Sam 3, Feast 26 to happen before Sam 1, Feast 5, and obviously, that can’t be. So, the mate aboard the Volantene galley newly arrived in Braavos in Cat of the Canals, Feast 34 must have mistaken another ship for Old Mother’s Son.
  17. @Rhaenys_Targaryen, Are you still around? I think I stumbled on a complication with the placement of the Arya Feast chapters in the Most Precise ASOIAF Timeline. Consider the Old Mother’s Son one of Salladhor Saab’s ships. In Cat of the Canals a mate aboard a Volantine galley newly arrived in Braavos reports being attacked by Old Mother’s Son. And when Davos visits Sisterton he reports that Old Mother’s Son ran aground at Skagos after Stannis dispatched his hand to treat with Lord Wyman and before Cersei learns falsely that Wyman has beheaded Davos.
  18. The Iron Captain, Feast Of course Euron knows the Faceless Man has no name.
  19. Things like, "What the fuck did you do to that cat? I am going to knock your teeth out, you little bastard."
  20. Simply my own earlier thoughts on it. To those that had argued that the Blackfyre theory was not compelling since there was no support for it in the early novels, I had argued that the Blackfyre subplot had been planned from the beginning. But that did not turn out to be true. What seems clear is the the subplot was cooked up by the George between Clash and Storm. And it still is the best theory to explain Aegon, Varys, and Illyrio. And I am in another reread after a hiatus.
  21. At the end of Storm, I think we should conclude that Illyrio and Varys have been working to install a claimant other than one of the Targlings (Viserys and Daenerys) on the Iron Throne, but we can only guess at who that other claimant might be. Based on what we know by the end of Storm, that claimant will likely be Rhaegar's son Aegon, or perhaps an imposter posing as Rhaegar's son. Given that Aerion was introduced as the antagonist in The Hedge Knight, which was published before Clash, the next most likely possibility at this point is a descendant of Aerion's son, who, we learn in Jon I, Clash 6, was passed over for Aegon the Unlikely. A descendant of Rhaenrya Targaryen was another possibility, but she was only mentored once. Finally, at the end of Storm, we have to consider a descendant Daemon Blackfyre since Catelyn told us that the Blackfyre "pretenders" troubled the Targaryens for five generations, but she also suggested they were wiped out a generation or two earlier. So, after Storm, the question was, who is the Iron Throne claimant supported by Illyrio and Varys? Three years after Storm, The George gives us the second installment of The Tales of Dunk and Egg, and we learn quite a bit about the Blackfyre Rebellion. But since Catelyn told us us that the last of the Blackfyre pretenders died a generation or two ago, our best guess at this point is that Blackfyre backstory might be foreshadowing or setting up a claim by a descendant of Aerion Targaryen, who remains abroad during the Sworn Sword. In the Prolgue to Feast, we learn that news of Daenerys and her three dragons has spread to Westeros, and we meet Aleras who echos Daenerys’s vision of Rhaegar Targaryen, that the dragon has three heads, and we are reminded that we should be looking for two more Targaryens to appear, with one of them being the claimant Illyrio supports. In Brienne VII, Feast 37, we learn just a bit more about the War of the Ninepenny Kings, during which Barristan slew Maelys Blackfyre. Brynden Tully called the Blackfish fought in the war as did Septon Meribald. And Meribald, referring to the First Blackfyre Rebellion told us the tale of the Clanking Dragon... After Feast, we get the third installment of the tales of Dunk and Egg, which tells the story of the Second Blackfyre Rebellion. That's a lot of backstory now on the Blackfyre history, but again since Barristan extinguished the Blackfyres when he slew Maelys, we still have no compelling reason to suspect that Illyrio is plotting to install a Blackfyre. We do know that Varys and Illyrio are working to install a claimant other than one of the Targlings on the Iron Throne, but before Dance, we can still only guess at who that other claimant might be. That will change when we read Tyrion II, Dance 5. In Tyrion I, Dance 1, we see that Varys has sent Tyrion off to his master Illyrio. This appears to have been spur of the moment since Jaime compelled him to do it. Tyrion describes a statue in Illyrio's manse of a boy of 16, blonde, lithe, and handsome, holding a sword that shimmers like "true steel." We will learn in Tyrion II that this was crafted when Illyrio was 16. So, Tyrion can guess ages after all.;) Tyrion finds a chest of clothes for a young boy that Illyrio has had stored with some care. And he finds a cask of strongwine marked as the private stock of Lord Runceford Redwyne, the grandfather of the present Lord of the Arbor, suggesting a past or long time relationship between Illyrio's house and Redwyne. The color of the wine was "a purple so dark that it looked almost black in the dim-lit cellar." And we see that Illyrio is sending the clever dwarf off to aid Daenerys, just as he sent Barristan. But if he's backing some other claimant, why is he giving so much support to Daenerys? And then we read Tyrion II, Dance 5, and everything changes. Illyrio expects that Daenerys is on her way west with Barristan, and that she merely stopped in Slaver's Bay to aquire an army and take some spoils. He believes that she will have to pass Volantis, whether by land or sea, so that's where he is sending Tyrion to meet her. But they are going northeast to the Flatlands, and Tyrion notes that they should travel to Volantis by sea. We will find out why momentarily. Illyrio first tells Tyrion that he is merely helping Daenerys to gain her birthright, but Tyrion notes that he gave her to Drogo. Although Illyrio admitted that he did not think the fearful, furtive girl would survive, he "grew pensive" when he said that, suggesting that he was genuinely concerned about her, but then we see he was concerned about his investment, rather than the girl, when he tells Tyrion that "Viserys might have undone years of planning," if Viserys had taken his sister's maidenhead. Next Illyrio tells Tyrion that he helped Viserys because Viserys offered him Casterly Rock and the office of Master of Coin. Illyrio suggests that he was was doing it for coin, but the reason rings hollow when he admits that he has no interest in leaving Pentos for Casterly Rock. And would replacing Petyr, Tyrion, and Gyles Rosby to become Master of Coin truly enhance Illyrio's wealth? Moreover, he waives it off completely in any case, expressing no concern as to whether Daenerys will make good on her brother's promises. But then he hints at the real reason, that he has "debts of affection to repay." Even Tyrion notes that Illyrio has something more in this venture than coin or castles. Here, we get the backstory on Illyrio and Varys... Surely, Illyrio is holding back critical details, but the storyteller is telling the reader what he wants us to know. And then we learn why they are headed for the Flatlands... We learn that Illyrio is taking Tyrion to Griff, a sellsword whom Illyrio says they can trust. We will learn the reason why soon enough. And then Illyrio tells us... Immediately, we should recall what we read in the the Tales of Dunk and Egg, and most importantly this from The Soiled Knight, Feast 13... Apparently, Dance 1 occurs before Feast 13... This is getting really interseting... What does he mean by a contract writ in blood? Is it related to the debts of affection he must repay? What is Illyrio's relationship with the Golden Company? A fly in the ointment, perhaps... And there it is. House Blackfyre ended through the male line, but the implication is that House Blackfyre has survived through the female line. We should not believe home is all they want since we learn in Daenerys III, Dance 16 that Viserys "had once feasted the captains of the Golden Company, in hopes they might take up his cause. They ate his food and heard his pleas and laughed at him." But the chapter is not done. We get a little more of Illyrio's backstory... Why is Serra important to the plot of ASOIAF and, more specifically, to the Second Dance of the Dragons? Oh really? Why would Illyrio believe a sellsword's son is the most noble lad that ever lived? Oho! That's why. Now, we know Illyrio's motive in GOT, to put this most noble lad upon the Iron Throne. Now we can reasonably conclude that Aegon is descended from Daemon Blackfyre along the female line. But we still have to piece together the relationships among Illyrio, Varys, Jon Connington, Young Griff, and the Golden Company.
  22. The main reason I like Quaithe as Shiera is that would give us a manifestation of each of the four great bastards in the current story. Assuming Aegon descends from Daemon Blackfyre, we also have Bittersteel's legacy in the Golden Company, and Bloodraven as the three eyed crow.
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