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  1. Hippocras

    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    Nah, as much as the idea intrigues me, it doesn’t really work. Cersei was not in Lannisport and had not been there once for decades. Dany wanted to prove a point that everyone needed to submit to her or burn, and so in her mind everyone flooding in to KL to support Cersei and hide from her was guilty. Dany never showed any sign of understanding economics.... To me KL does make sense, it just needed a few more scenes and a slightly different tone to some past existing ones.
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    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    The problem here is that I don't think she was unstable. She didn't become unreasonable really if you look at everything that happened, she just chose ruthlessness because the path to ruling over followers who loved her was closed. If she was going to rule by fear she needed to make sure they were all absolutely afraid. To me it is not a descent to madness that was missing, but a more subtly morally ambiguous portrayal throughout. It was jarring because she had behaved so emotionally in the past in a loving way. If THOSE scenes had been hinted at being not just empathetic but also clearly strategic choices, then her strategic choice of going nuclear would not seem as much out of character to those who missed all the clear hints along the way. I mean come on, that speech to the Dothraki after hopping back on Drogon made it absolutely clear what she intended. Also her sense of entitlement. She felt ENTITLED to rule Westeros, even when she found out that she actually had no birthright. If she did NOT feel entitled, she would have stepped aside for the one who did have the birthright. That ideological feeling of destiny on her part needed some ground work in previous seasons.
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    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    Yes. Scenes between Missandei and Dany would have really helped with this, because Missandei is the character most shown being made to feel foreign and unaccepted. This is also one reason why a deeper lever of teritiary characters was needed. For example a minor lord or lady or merchant or whatever in King’s Landing talking with fear about dragons and Dothraki and better the evil queen you know. Maybe the best way to do it would have been to show Bronn on the way North stopping at the Crossroads, overhearing some gossip and chatter there with some character heading to KL for safety - who we later see die. Bronn could have had a funny chat with Hot Pie also revealing of common attitudes to Dany.
  4. Hippocras

    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    I am sure some of you must have ideas.
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    A Game of Thrones movie?

    I hope not. If people are so distressed about the pacing of the last two seasons, the story would need to be reduced to nothing to fit into a movie. I watched a few feature films recently that received very positive reviews. They were at LEAST as filled with plot holes and poor character depth as the later part of GoT but people's expectations are just different for movies because not as much time and thought and love invested.
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    The Missing Scenes/Episodes

    Whether you liked the end of Game of Thrones or not, and many of us DID like it, there is general consensus I think that the last 2 seasons could really have used more time. But what would you have PUT in that extra time? Let's discuss the scenes people feel were missing. My List: 1. More depth for Bran. I think it would very much have helped to have some access to more visions: When he DID have visions, especially the rushing overwhelming and ambiguous ones, they were extremely powerful and could have helped justify his mysterious personality. Instead of blank looks, blank looks coupled with rushes of confusing information would have helped establish WHY he was giving blank looks. He should have been shown designing that chair. Instead it just appeared in season 7 and we found out only near the very end that he actually designed it himself based on a historical reference. Conversations between him and Sansa related to the history of the North and rule by dragons and Targs would have very much helped flesh out the drive for Northern independence and his willingness to go along with it. Similarly conversations with Sansa about the defence of Winterfell would have gone a long way towards establishing him as a believable King. We DID in fact see him as a competent leader a VERY long time ago, before Theon attacked Winterfell. But no one remembers that and it was not referenced in Tyrion's arguments in his favour either to help people remember. 2. Scenes between Dany and Missandei, alone. This was a key relationship and it barely got any time. We needed to see the depth of their trust and intimacy. They could have discussed the reception by the Northerners, and how to deal with Sansa. Missandei was not a sidekick. She was an advisor, but barely ever got a chance to advise in the script and that meant her VALUE to Dany was not clear enough. Private scenes with Missandei would have been the best way to show Dany starting to resent the fact that Westeros did not want her, and flesh out her drive for power in spite of learning she had the inferior claim to the throne. 3. Scenes showing Grey Worm's difficulty defying any kind of order. His behaviour at the end is impossible to understand if you don't understand that this is a man who had any instinct to defy orders and think for himself completely tortured out of him from childhood. He was incapable of NOT following orders from Dany. 4. A scene, before Jon rode Rhaegal the first time, showing the Dothraki trying to feed the dragons and it being a very scary thing to approach them. We had a scene where they came and told Dany what the dragons ate, but it would have been better to SHOW them barely eating and scaring off the people feeding them to help establish that it was actually a pretty big deal to ride a dragon for Jon. 5. Several more tertiary characters that were somewhat known to us. Some of them to die in the Long Night and increase the sense of loss. Some of them to give Cersei more to DO in KL instead of staring out a window, and then later to die there. etc. 6. Scenes showing Tyrion doing one or two things that were actually clever the last couple season, to balance out his mistakes.
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    Third "Wow" moment

    Jon was not a urprise for D&D at the point of the meeting, so no. The three were things they did not already know. Dany destroying KL was heavily foreshadowed but also quite HS so that might be it. Otherwise we will see tonight.
  8. Hippocras

    Predictions From Tyrion & Bran's Fireplace Talk

    Maybe Dany dies, then Jon abdicates and calls a "Choosing" a la Night's Watch. At the choosing Tyrion and Sam nominate Bran for the throne. That is the significance: Tyrion knows that Bran knows things.
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    Thank you Dothraki

    No we didn't actually. We saw lots of them running back in retreat, definitely not dead. More were fighting inside the walls after the retreat. It is certainly plausible that many of them survived, though half seems a stretch.
  10. Hippocras

    This is all Jon’s fault

    What I keep coming back to is the sense that it is EVERYONE’s fault. So many factors led to what Dany did and nearly every surviving character can likely recognize their part in it. Olena told Dany to ignore clever men and be a dragon. Missandei chose Dracarys as her last word. Grey Worm obeyed everything always without question, even when questions from him might have been wise. He let her feel entitled to that kind of obedience, and believe that ruling was her destiny regardless of legal right to the throne. Tyrion always knew what she was capable of but deluded himself into believing she could be contained with the right advice. And then he went and ensured that she would have no faith in his advice or intensions. Jon couldn’t look past a private wrong (incest, childless) to acknowledge a greater problem (a contested rule). And if not prepared to accept his identity he should never have told anyone at all. Sansa should have done more to make Dany feel appreciated for assisting the North against the NK. The deep personal losses combined with complete lack of gratitude in return were key to Dany’s dangerous isolation from the people she meant to rule. (As for Jon’s secret, sorry Sansa haters but that is all on Jon). Davos was well placed to have concerns about a ruler with a history of burning people, but he never voiced any. Similarly, awarning from Jaime to Tyrion would have been appropriate. As for Bran, I rather suspect he knew this would happen but he didn’t warn. I think he was trying to let the world know that Fire was as great a threat as Ice ever was, and it too needed to be stopped.
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    Prediction - Arya Stark will kill Daenerys Targaryen

    No, that is not her. She said she has seen many faces of death yes. She has always said « not today » to the killing of innocents. Always. In Braavos she refused to kill on orders because the death was not earned. With the Hound, she refused to kill him because he wanted death as a mercy and she felt the better response to his crimes was to let him live with them. With the Freys she killed them all, yes, but only the ones directly involved. She refused to let Lord Frey’s child wife drink the poisoned wine. Dany is definitely not her hero for killing innocents. Dany earned herself a spot on Arya’s list the same way the Mountain did, and Polliver etc. Harming innocents.
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    So what happens to Drogon?

    If Bran wargs drogon with Dany riding, it will be for the express purpose of flying her far far far away where she cannot be a danger to anyone.
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    So what happens to Drogon?

    No rider has ever mounted 2 different dragons. Never. Dragons get new riders after their riders die, but never the other way around. So I am pretty sure Jon will not ride Drogon. If anyone rides Drogon rather than just killing him, it will be either Arya or Tyrion, possibly with some warging help from Bran. And they will do so in order to take that dragon far far FAR away from Westeros.
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    Arya FLIES West of Westeros

    BBQ chicken seems more likely.
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    Arya FLIES West of Westeros

    Why?
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