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  1. Hey there friends! This here is Weirwood Compendium 4, and the topic is Azor Ahai entering the weirwoodnet. I've been beating around the burning bush in regards to a connection between Azor Ahai and those moon meteors and the burning tree symbol which is tied to the weirwoods - this connection is implied in the Ironborn legend of the Storm God's thunderbolt setting fire to a tree, which then conveyed the fire of the gods to mankind. The weirwood leaves look like "a blaze of flame," and they certainly convey the fire or knowledge of the gods to man, that's the basic idea. The thunderbolt, I believe, represents a moon meteor strike, so how did it 'set fire' to the weirwoods? I think we have the answer. This has to do with the identity of the Old Gods, the question of who are the faces in the heart trees? and other such related stuff. It begins with a comparison between the wedding of the greenseer and the weirwood to the basic formula of making Lightbringer - the conjunction of sun and moon. Dany's alchemical wedding in Drogo's pyre has parallels to Bran's marriage to the tree. Both are a kind of magical wedding, and both produce an ASOIAF symbol of the fire of the gods. This is some of the strongest symbolism I've come across, so I hope you all enjoy! I look forward to your responses once you work your way through it, and as always you can listen to this as a podcast as well. Feel free to comment before you finish as well, it's all good. https://lucifermeanslightbringer.com/2017/04/20/in-a-grove-of-ash/
  2. The Grey King fought Garth the Greenhand

    Indeed!Glad you found this one Wizz!
  3. On the topic of the Three Singers weirwoods at Highgarden: check out the Kingsguard weirwood table. I forgot it had three legs: Stallions and trees are the same in the context of Yggdrasil being a gallows tree, and of course the weirs seem like gallows trees too in the sense that the greenseer is hung on them. Anyway, this is the only other weirwood 'triplet' I can think of, so I thought I would mention it.
  4. Yes, that's more or less what I got out of it. It solidifies all the garth connections to weirwoods. @Unchained, I didn't have anything to add beyond the obvious. I did however notice that Highgarden is a labyrinth, like I was saying. Would you believed it was burned one time? When Garth Greybeard ruled.
  5. PoMarties, I did a couple videos with History of Westeros about Asshai and ancient dragonlords, you might find those more entertaining perhaps:
  6. You're drunk on the mead of poetry if anyone is... and that's a high compliment of course. Still, drunk.
  7. Yes, I plan on talking about this - someone showed me that a few weeks ago, I forget who. Might have been you. But yes, the godswoods are garths, and the weirs are garth trees.
  8. That's awesome to hear, and make sure you read @Wizz-The-Smith's Hollow Hills essay!
  9. Yes, I agree with that, that's what I always start with. I have to remind myself to occasionally say what I think it means for the actual story! I've heard some people are into that, lol. RR's point is important too - because this is fantasy and not real world myth, the metaphors come alive. As above, so below, taken another level.
  10. I was pretty much just teasing the idea here - I couldn't actually refer to it or it would have side-tracked the essay. I have that Stallion Who Mounts essay coming which will be all about flying. This was pretty much just a wink and a nod to you, actually I had also linked that forbidden gargoyle speech with the idea that Bran wasn't supposed to overhear jaime and cersei - it;s the forbidden knowledge idea, it would seam. I love how your killing word idea is bearing so much fruit! There's an RnB song in here somewhere... How many R Kelly songs can we shoehorn 'Nennymoan' into? I don't see nuthin wrong... with-a-little-Nenny-mo-oan... Yeah I thought I made that point... Yeah, had that one saved for when we peak of the horn and sounds that can break a moon I had that instinct, knowing nothing of what you posted below beyond a fuzzy recollection of someone being hanged upside down... Odin hangs upside in some accounts, I think... This is all really fascinating. If anything it fits with the idea of self-sacrifice and transcendence, and idea which has been thoroughly reinforced in ASOIAF by now I would say. We should follow up on that. The Gardener Kings are something like the priest kings of Garth Worship, there's a real possibility there is something intentional there. I always come around to reason, sometimes I just have to poke and prod the idea for a minute. I'd like to think the fact I can be persuaded on ideas I don't like initially shows I am somewhat open-minded, as I certainly attempt to be so even though obviously it's impossible not to be attached to your own ideas. But I want to get things right, so, you know, I thank everyone for for questioning and testing and all that. The Stranger. I believe this is essentially the Night Sun, Lion of Night figure. The Sun's shadow self. Well, the burning Nissa Nissa moon is fire associated, as is the sun. I don't think that's an ice and fire deal (think of Jaime and Cersei as fiery twins, sun and fire moon). Now, we have been talking about the comet being white hot and smoking, and comet's are really icy at their core, so perhaps there's an implied icyness / white fire thing with the pre-impact comet. The weirwood represents a burning moon, it's not particularly taken to ice or fire. If I am right in my thinking, the ww can represent either moon, and the ice moon will catch on fire as well. But I am not trying to delineate between moons yet - just trying to show the ww as the eternally burning bush, or as the moon in the moment of incineration. Yep, that seems right... That's a good analogy, certainly I take the crown of blue roses as an ice moon symbol. So, I actually credited you and @Blue Tiger and @Wizz-The-Smith when I first mentioned the wicker basket / Bran / Hodor stuff in A Burning Brandon, that's probably why I did not think to credit you again in this episode. But you guys certainly deserve lots of credit! You have influenced so many of my ideas at this point it's hard to separate - and we are going to basically build you a statue when I finally get to the green see essay. In the Mountain vs The Viper essay that you apparently haven't read (busted) Oh that's a good one! I def don't feel strongly about no cotf carving faces; more that it wasn't done until the LN events and that they were carved to trap humans or horned humans or whatever. As I said... I gave you (and Wizz and BT, don't forget they had some of those ideas too) when I first raised these in A Burning Brandon. This was basically recap. But it is all quite brilliant, yes! Yep I thought of you when he gave me that name Yes, the Ghost Grass... like a field of dawn swords. Why do they surround Asshai, I wonder? That is a great question, not sure at all about that at this point. That's not in conflict; Robb is a King of Winter figure, just like Jon. Yeah this wordplay by George is pretty great, and nice addition with the lichyard. So, I think the burning tree is the entrance, but the person who enters ends up in the ice. So it's the same person. As I have speculated, I am starting to suspect AA or his son became the NK and is now inside the wwnet, and that's where he is making Others from. Yes, that seems solid. (heh heh) Nice! So, they are like the ice moon that swallowed the black (frozen fire) meteor, I think, at least as far as the eyes go. Think about the NQ as a cold womb which freezes the NK's seed. The Others (and the ice moon) swallowed frozen fire, or else they froze the fire they swallowed. Or maybe the ice moon got a piece of white comet - but I think the evidecne is that they got a black moon meteor. Certainly! In some sense, yes, for sure. Yes, this makes a certain amount of sense. You might be over-extrapolating from the prologue, but I will keep that in mind. I do think thee were a certain amount of unintended consequences, yes. Most definitely. heh heh heh Yeah a lot of people liked that one it seems, it's so literal! Yes, Waymar figures as a LH type, so I am inclined to see those dozen wounds as LH math; the 13th wound would be the one in his eye. I did not mean so literally. I meant he's looking ahead to the great battle. Yeah it suddenly dawned on me that it was sitting right there! Yes, a long time ago. I like how you've linked it though. That's cool, linking the song of stones to the gargoyles.
  11. Hey Darry Man, you're always more than welcome to post your threads! By all means I will go over and have a look alter today. What makes this one your favorite?
  12. New First Look Images for Season 7

    That was good! I agree, it was on point
  13. Right on, that's the idea, more food for thought... take it and run with it. The green see goes 40 fathoms deep!
  14. Well, it's not for everybody. I do understand the potency of brevity, but that's just not the type of analysis I am doing. Some things just take more time to unravel, and the symbolism in ASOIAF is pretty damn extensive. You'd be surprised at how much I have to cut form each episode. Thanks for giving it a look though. I plan to make a 20 minute youtube video here soon with the condensed nuts and bolts of my first theory, because i appreciate not everyone is down for 2 hour podcasts and essays. That's definitely one of the big questions! Originally I assumed no, it had to be something that just happened, with humans then attributing the calamity to their king or some villain or whatever. But as I have researched all the folklore in ASOIAF, again and again I find Martin working with the themes of Prometheus, Adam, Lucifer, and other characters who challenged the gods, defied the gods, tried to be like the gods - and triggered some great calamity. It's gotten to the point where I have become convinced that yes, somehow, magicians on earth played a part in steering a comet into a moon. We have collectively come up with two main mechanism one might use to do so in a fantasy world: the 'dragobinder' horn ('cometbinder?'), and something having to do with using the weirwoodnet for astral travel. In the Azor Ahai myth, it is Nissa Nissa's cry of anguish and ecstasy which cracked the moon - a sound, in other words. The dragonbinder's sound "splits the air like a swordthrust" and like a "shivering hot scream." Then we have the red comet compared to Ned's Ice, covered in blood, and Ned's Ice was split into 2 swords, one of which is called "Widow's Wail." So again, a symbol which is both a woman's scream AND a sword, and it's compared to the comet which broke the moon. The horn can also be seen as a stabbing weapon, analogous to the comet, so the horn itself is both a sound and a sword which killed the moon. As for the weirwoodnet, it's more murky, but there is something in all the talk of flying through the wwnet which has made some of us think that might be how you steer or even 'skinchange' the comet, in a manner of speaking. This is kind of a good example of why I write 20,000 word essays instead of 1,000 word ones - the ideas sound a bit less like tinfoil and crackpottery when you take your time to establish each symbolic interpretation by cross-referencing them with other uses of the symbol. In the full version of the "Sound that broke the moon" essay, when I write it, will have several examples of scenes where a woman's scream is depicted as a moon-breaking sound, several scenes where the horn and sword symbols are mingled in a way to suggest a moon-breaking sound, and so on. I will take time in each scene to establish the Lightbringer forging symbolism, so that you can be confident that's what the scene is talking about, and that helps draw meaning from the symbol we are chasing (the scream that breaks the moon). In the process we draw more color and magic out of George's text, which is a worthwhile undertaking in and of itself. So, to each his own, but that is how I got to doing what I do, fwiw.
  15. Right on, well, I prefer your earlier movies, so there. =P I looked around and it seems the pharmaceutical pronunciation is correct, though I welcome correction if anyone knows. Right on! I think my podcasts / essays do well consumed in binge fashion, because they really are all part of a greater train of thought. The weirwood compendium especially is highly sequential. I feel bad telling people "go read my older stuff first!" but I assume people will either read or not, depending on if it holds their interest, and if you like my stuff, then it's best to read in order. The idea is that I spend an episode following a couple related symbols through several scenes - the moon blood, for instance, which I studied heavily in Waves of Night and Moon Blood, so that thereafter I can just say "the burning moon blood" and not have to explain it all every time. Otherwise my essays would be totally unreadable. You have to learn George's lexicon of symbolism one at a time until you have enough 'vocabulary' to translate whole sentences. What is really bizarre is that the key to unlocking a lot of the weirwood secrets lies in translating the Ironborn myth, which is why the first Weirwood Compendium episode is "The Grey King and the Sea Dragon." I did an earlier version of that essay a loooong time ago called "The Language of Leviathan" where I stumbled across a lot of the main ideas, though I did not yet connect the burning tree to the weirwoods. It wasn't until I came back to re-write Lang of L that I found the burning tree / weir connection, and then I realized that I was writing more about weirwoods than anything else and this was really a good starting point for a series about them. Since then it has really taken off, with a lot of help from the usual suspects here. Between my discovery of the weirs as symbolic 'burning trees' and @ravenous reader's discovery of the under the sea / under the see, green sea / greenseer wordplay, and everyone else's subsequent contributions along these lines, I believe we have unlocked a lot of stuff about the greenseers and weirwoods in the last few months. It's really exciting, so it is worth getting caught up here. My advice is to pick a nasty chore you've been putting off, like weed whacking or garage organizing, and strap on some headphones and let me whisper sweet symbolism into your ear hole. Aw yeah....
  16. New First Look Images for Season 7

    True enough; they wear monkey tail hats in Yi Ti to this day in remembrance of her deeds. I was conflating them to he humorous.
  17. New First Look Images for Season 7

    That is one damn fine bit of detective work! Bravo! Woman with the Monkey-Tail Hat, confirmed! I cannot wait! Will totally make up for Stoneheart. I can see how the dialogue in this scene will go: Gilly: "It says something about a woman with a monkey hat... " Sam: "Gil-ly, I told you, we need to find information about the Others, not some monkey-tail.." Gilly: "This IS about the Others! It says we need a woman with a monkey-tail hat!" pure HBO gold.
  18. Great, that's terrific. I recommend giving Weirwood Compendium 1 a try, that's the first one in this series (this essay is WC 4). That one is called "The Grey King and the Sea Dragon" and it sets the foundation for my association between Azor Ahai & all things dragon and fire-magic and... the weirwoods. It's pretty hard to dump you in the middle of part 4 here, but if you like Grey King and the Sea Dragon then you can catch up pretty quickly. I would say in short that this connection is of crucial importance, because we have these two seemingly separate plot lines in the story with Azor Ahai reborn and the dragons and flaming swords and fiery undead people... and then we have the weirwoods, greenseers, skinchangers, and the cotf and the Others. So, what do the dragons and AA have to do with Westeros, either in the ancient past or in the current story? That is the big, $64 million dollar question, and I think I have latched on to the answer, or at least the path to the answer. As I mentioned earlier, I think the signs point to the idea of AA or perhaps a group of people remembered collectively as "AA" having become greenseers of some sort. This would build upon the green zombie series you referred to, all that stuff about resurrected greenseers. So there you go. Let me know what you think, you can comment here about anything in the Weirwood Compendium series, it's all related. Cheers.
  19. Naw it's cool po'marties, that's a reasonable question to ask. I am happy to give you a TL;DR, but first, please tell me, so I don't over explain, have you read any of my essays or listened to any of my podcasts? That's the other answer, btw, if time is an issue - try the podcast version while you commute or clean or whatever. The very broad answer is that it concerns the theory that Azor AHai was a greenseer and went into the weirwoodnet, what that means and how that makes sense, but to be more specific it would help to know what level of familiarity you have with my general ideas about moon meteors and such. Thanks for stopping by and asking!
  20. Right on my friend! You probably deserved more than one, as insightful as your writings have been. As for the ember in the ashes symbolism, yeah, I was very surprised by how much there was two. There's actually a few more that I didn't include, because they have symbols which lead me to talking about topics I haven't mentioned yet. I kept all the Daenerys stuff aside, because there's so much of it I'm going to focus on that by itself. The next episode will purely focus on moon maidens who turn into weirwood trees symbolically during key moments, and that's going to complement all the ember in the ashes stuff very nicely. Great call on the scenes which are similar to The weirwood Grove of 9. Particularly the one where Johns Brothers convince him to go back to Castle black, that seems pretty on the nose as they are saying the vows in unison. I really liked the idea that the weirwood Grove of 9 is like the weirwood analog to the king of winters crown, that seams to work well, and the ties to the bones of Naga are terrific too, since we find weirwood circles on sea dragon point. It's pretty fun the way Martin ties these related concepts together. What did you think of the Tristifer stuff and the white lichen / lycan thing? I thought that was amusing. I also can't quite get over the eyeless Garth head on an ash wood spear, that's got to be one of my favorite symbols. I almost sidetracked into talking about Garth Greybeard, a Gardener King of the Reach, because Highgarden has that maze made from hedges which is also called a labyrinth (like the stone tree maze of WF is called a labyrinth). When you see black jack bulwer, descended from a more demonic sounding son of Garth the Green, sitting there next to Garth Greyfeather, it certainly makes you think of the Minotaur and the weirwoods as being a labyrinth. But I saved that whole side track for a separate discussion so as to do it justice. Also I'm trying to follow an order - in this episode I'm sort of establishing that AS went in. As to what came out or stayed behind, that's a little further down the road.
  21. What??? While you finish your chemistry homework? Come on now, you won't do the chemistry of the mythical astronomy justice if you do that. I know your brain is on another level, but still...
  22. Too bad, it's 4:20 and I wrote an essay about burning trees, you HAVE to read it, because synergy.
  23. ..but feel free to comment here on whatever you want, because it will still be relevant. It's related to Yggdraisl and greenseers and the intersection of AA / dragons / fire magic and weirwoods.
  24. Hey I am just grateful for your eyeballs, you can do whatever you want! It is really better to read this series in order though. The last one, Garth of the Gallows, and this one originally were part of the same essay, so they are kind of sequential. You've read A Burning Brandon and Grey King and the Sea Dragon right?