CONQUI5TADOR Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 So I am curious. Are Mels powers still strong enough to bring Jon back without making another sacrifice? I imagine the point of showing her at the wall before the Ides was exactly that, to let us know a priestess of the Lord of Light was there and as we saw with S3 they have some... unique abilities. Also, why was Davos brought back to the wall... I mean i understand according to the show why he was sent but what are D&Ds plans for him from here on out? Edited for clarity and glaring grammatical errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacabb Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Davos was at the wall so when D&D butchered Stannis he wouldn't be involved as well. I think the ambiguous death of Stannis may be part of a revised Pink letter scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Sauce Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Cant really answer your question fully without spoilers But Davos was sent to the wall by Stannis. Reason is because he knew that Davos would object the Shireen burning, knowing he would object and try to stop it or sneak her away. Davos in a way knew something bad was going to happen because he was nearly begging Stannis to let him take Shireen back. And the last convo he ever has with her, it is obvious he in a way knows he will not see her again and there is nothing he can do. That and Stannis still does want more men, horses, food etc so he needs someone he can rely on to get the message to Jon Snow and makes sure it is followed through. After Ramsay destroying the food and siege weapons etc he needs more men and supplies, wildlings etc so he needed to make sure the orders reached the wall. But main reason was to get him away so he would not try to stop what was going to happen to Shireen. As far as Mel, nobody really knows what powers she has and does not have tv show wise. Thoros was able to revive Beric, but Mel was shocked at how many times he was able to do it. So maybe every red priest has different powers, or maybe she does know how but can only do it a few times? Who knows. There has never been a chance where she has tried doing it so its hard to say what she can and cant do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 The only sacrifice she may need is Jon himself. All the times Thoros brought Beric back, he was the only one who had died. And Davos was in the least danger of all of them. No kings blood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobcat987 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 It seems like the only way a Jon revival happens is if Mel is involved (with Bran's absence this season, it would be too contrived for him to reappear next season with the ability to revive Jon). Thoros did not need to sacrifice to revive Beric, so Mel shouldn't either. At any rate, Theon's got king's blood if that's needed. As for Davos, if Stannis is alive and Davos finds out, then his only option to honorably (in his mind) leave Stannis' service is to take the black. If Stannis is dead or Davos does not know that he lives, then I could see a realistic scenario where he takes up the Stark cause. This would get him back on track with his arc from book 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frumpus Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 "king's blood" doesn't do shit, i hope people have realized by now that Mel is a charlatan. That was in the books and now obviously proven in the tv show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavey Sauce Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 It seems like the only way a Jon revival happens is if Mel is involved (with Bran's absence this season, it would be too contrived for him to reappear next season with the ability to revive Jon). Thoros did not need to sacrifice to revive Beric, so Mel shouldn't either. At any rate, Theon's got king's blood if that's needed. As for Davos, if Stannis is alive and Davos finds out, then his only option to honorably (in his mind) leave Stannis' service is to take the black. If Stannis is dead or Davos does not know that he lives, then I could see a realistic scenario where he takes up the Stark cause. This would get him back on track with his arc from book 5. Mel does not count any blood from kings that is not Targ or Baratheon. No old Starks when they were kings in the north, no wildling blood (king beyond the wall Mance Rayder). And a few others etc, drowned god not being one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Hmm. Jon seemed to think Rayder's blood was valid, cause he switches the babies in the books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Of Cooked Steak Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 If Davos is going to be given the task of finding the Stark boys in the show, then most likely that's what he's going to do either by Sansa's or Jon's volition. Or, if Stannis is proven to be alive, then Davos could be a vehicle to recruit armies and houses, or be given the role of Justin Massey and hire 20,000 sellswords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacabb Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I can see Jon telling Davos, "find my brothers" when Sansa and Reek arrive and let him know they are alive. Or Bran may be the one to inform him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Long Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 "king's blood" doesn't do shit, i hope people have realized by now that Mel is a charlatan. That was in the books and now obviously proven in the tv show. Tell that to Renly, pretty sure at the end he believed in her powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmewdog Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Cant really answer your question fully without spoilers But Davos was sent to the wall by Stannis. Reason is because he knew that Davos would object the Shireen burning, knowing he would object and try to stop it or sneak her away. Davos in a way knew something bad was going to happen because he was nearly begging Stannis to let him take Shireen back. And the last convo he ever has with her, it is obvious he in a way knows he will not see her again and there is nothing he can do. That and Stannis still does want more men, horses, food etc so he needs someone he can rely on to get the message to Jon Snow and makes sure it is followed through. After Ramsay destroying the food and siege weapons etc he needs more men and supplies, wildlings etc so he needed to make sure the orders reached the wall. But main reason was to get him away so he would not try to stop what was going to happen to Shireen. As far as Mel, nobody really knows what powers she has and does not have tv show wise. Thoros was able to revive Beric, but Mel was shocked at how many times he was able to do it. So maybe every red priest has different powers, or maybe she does know how but can only do it a few times? Who knows. There has never been a chance where she has tried doing it so its hard to say what she can and cant do I don't think Stannis intended Davos to actually return with anything at all. Stannis knows as well as anyone that the Watch is stretched too thin to help him. And then after the sacrifice he doesn't wait around for Davos to come back with the supplies and men he was sent to go get. Sending Davos away was solely a means of ensuring that Shireen would make the BBQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Davos could've been sent anywhere. I figure he was sent to the wall so he would become the next LC after Jon's death. #998, which makes me think there will be 2 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the Morgan Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Davos was sent away so he could remain someone that the fans root for...plus he leaves Stannis in the books for another mission. It's possible that the Shireen burning will be what resurrects Jon Snow. It obviously did not do anything for Stannis's cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calo760 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Davos and Melisadre both ended up at the wall at the end of the season because Davos will end up being the prophesied Last Hero, Azor Ahai.Mel saw Stannis as Azor Ahai in the flames because he was doing something really important in Westeros and he had AA by his side the whole time, When the flames show her Stannis it leads her to Ser Davos.When Mel realized Stannis was doomed and clearly isn't AA, she abandons him and goes to the wall because she has recently seen Jon Snow in here flames, and may believe him to be the true AA. Before Stannis sacrifices his daughter, he sends Davos to ask Jon Snow for aid. Melisandre shows up at Castle Black, leaving Jon and Davos to believe Stannis is dead, and shortly after Jon is killed, leaving both men who she thought could be AA dead. But has Azor Ahai been around her the entire time?He is a truly good man, from what we have seen of Davos. and It would be interesting since he is a non-believer and was against Melisandre and the Red God more than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRhllor Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 Tell that to Renly, pretty sure at the end he believed in her powers.That wasn't a sacrifice, that was some crazy sh!t with Stannis knocking Mel up with a shadow baby. I can't remember any sacrifice working in anyone's favor. The only actual sacrifice (Shireen) was punished, not rewarded. Mel was too much into sacrifice and she's realized her mistakes at this point (imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingStoneheart Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 If Melisandre's powers aren't strong enough then it looks like Jon stays dead, which would be funny and unexpected but yeah she is strong enough.And I just imagined it that after R+L=J is confirmed by Mel after she looks into the flames (if she hasn't already) and sees that Jon is actually Azor Ahai and not Stannis and so when Jon is crowned, Davos made be his hand hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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