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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    A couple of things: I agree that the show went badly off the rails in season 5 in terms of believability and character consistence/rational action. And yes, much fan service, so fan-servicy at times that it's outright laughable. But at the same time, even though many of the plot twists didn't make sense, there were a lot of them. The pace was fast, the action spectacular. As has been noted in this thread, D&D may be absolute crap at writing a believable, long story, but OTOH all the technical aspects of production have always been stellar in this show, and with the ever-increasing budget it has just become more and more so. Season 7 was the most spectacular the show has been, and probably the most spectacular TV shows ever put on (and I say probably only because I'm not an expert in TV shows, as I can't imagine that kind of spectacle having been put on by any other show). The battle scenes, in particular, are amazing, and IMO there are multiple battle scenes that are significant competitors for best battle scenes in film history. Nothing but the highest praise for the choreography, music, timing and photography of the Battle of the Bastard and the gold train battle, whatever that one is called, and generally all the battle scenes have become increasingly more spectacular. Put it all together, and I quite enjoyed most of Season 7 despite the constant illogic. And as to the unbelievable/inconsistent/irrational aspect of the show, while I sure wish that the show was following GRRM instead of leading, I have recently come around to being soothed by all the stupid crap that makes no sense, and I'll tell you why. When I first realized, coming into season 5, that the show was definitely going to depart almost completely from the novels, I became very sad - and with a tinge of anger - that the greatest fantasy series ever written was going to get the last 2(-ish) novels spoiled by a frickin' TV show. But now that I've watched 3 season of stupidity from the TV show, however, I AM VERY MUCH CHEERED! :-) There is NO WAY UNDER THE SUN that GRRM is going to write all this stupid crap into the last novels. IF--and it's a big if--he ever finishes them, I will read the new books with the expectation that only a few of the TV show things are actually going to happen, and the great majority of the books will be quite different from what we've seen. Now come on, George, finish the damned thing! p.s. Out of all the stupid crap they've done, the one that got on my nerves the most was having Littlefinger get completely shanghai'd in the trial scene. He had no idea what was coming, no backup plan, and no defense but to beg ineffectively for his life. After having read 5 novels of Littlefinger, THERE IS NO WAY UNDER THE SUN that GRRM is going to have him die so easily and so anti-climactically. Like Varys and Tyrion, the 1st word that comes to mind with Littlefinger is "survivor." Littlefinger ALWAYS has a backup plan; after all he has done to the Starks in the series, he's not about to go walking into their castle without a backup escape plan and a few aces in the hole. Except on this TV show.
  2. Arya's whole plotline has been about learning to kill people. She's not going to suddenly take up knitting in the last books.
  3. He just found out that Jon was legitimate. Jon's parentage wasn't legally significant if he was a bastard. It's brand new info to Bran that Jon is the rightful King. It's not for Bran to weigh this, that and the other reason for why it may or may not be beneficial for Jon to know.* Jon's birthright is Jon's business, and he deserves to know about it. There may be a legit question as to why he hasn't told him what he knows previously, but that's probably just because it wasn't that important and Bran is pre-occupied. But there really isn't any question as to whether he should tell Jon now. Of course he should. *Plus there are plenty of reasons to weigh on the other side, starting with the fact that folks are about to go to war to fight for their future, and should know what it is they are fighting for.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP510 Discussion

    Nice post. I agree with you about Arya. A fair bit of what you wrote I don't particularly either agree or disagree with it, but find it to be an intelligent take and interesting food for thought. However, I don't agree with the part that I bolded. I think that's counter to the real world, and also (at least possibly) counter to the themes of the series. While it's certainly true that we see people seizing power through evil and dastardly deeds, those same deeds seem to predictably also be the seeds of an ultimate comeuppance. Tywin is dead because of what he did to Tyrion; Cersei humiliated because of what she tried to do to Margaery; Freys are hunted; Aerys and his family wiped out; there are plenty more examples and trust me, Ramsay will get his. Evil-doing works in the short run, but you make people hate you and hate has staying power and consequences. Somebody like Jon or Daenerys - somebody who is smart enough to solve problems but also would rule benevolently - has a much better chance of lasting in the long run. It's something we call enlightened self-interest.
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    [Poll] How would you rate episode 510?

    Kind of hard to rate, but I gave it an 8. On a meta-level, it was an amazing sequence of huge events and plot twists. But when you drill down, most of the individual scenes had real problems.
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    Board Issues 4

    Occasionally I can access the forum but 95% or more of the time I just can't. Can't read post titles, can't click on anything. This has been going on for a couple of months now.
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    GoT Actors in Other Stuff - Part 2

    More details! Horse? Hamster?
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    Board Issues 4

    Found a report in ESET. Looks like www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Here is the event log from last night. [Don't click on those links, whoever is looking at this. Unless you just want to. At any rate, let's be clear, I am not inviting you to click on those links.] 8/15/2014 9:18:45 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:18:44 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=9c3e1076-ad73-4474-8dd4-4238b5b87b28 Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:18:15 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:18:15 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=e510f3ce-a786-4528-95af-8d4adf919ff4 Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:17:56 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:17:56 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=72a64581-28c4-4e11-ba8f-b2ccb8a876b3 Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:17:49 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 9:17:49 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=7d86511b-c274-4e10-98e9-44fa019a215e Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:30:28 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:30:28 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=9377e81f-4c70-4f68-97e4-f2238653bac1 Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:29:56 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:29:56 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=d3cf6d72-4102-459e-a939-aa4c5ae88dcd Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:19:55 PM http://www.downrapid.com/favicon.ico Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/15/2014 8:19:55 PM http://www.downrapid.com/node/pkg/loader.exe?offer_id=16526&aff_id=11156&transaction_id=931ea1ff-66ec-4428-9ac3-155da3cc4ecf Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/12/2014 6:55:49 PM http://creative.m2pub.com/matomy/scripts/popunder/popunder.js Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen 8/12/2014 6:55:42 PM http://creative.m2pub.com/matomy/scripts/popunder/popunder.js Blocked by PUA blacklist C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe Home\Glen
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    Board Issues 4

    It hasn't happened today. Happened 10-12 times last night. It didn't let me cut and paste the http or IP address, but if I see it again I'll write them down and report.
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    Board Issues 4

    I'm getting regularly attacked on this site, and no other site. Eset is intercepting it, but somebody wants to shift me to some other site to update Java.
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    [NO SPOILERS] Orientation

    I agree on start with the beginning . . . but I also have to add a grain of salt. Generally, the show was most faithful to the books at the beginning and has gradually diverged. The early part of book one contains a lot of set-up (as does the beginning of almost every long work) and it's very similar to what you've already seen in the show. So I'd just be forewarned that the very beginning may not be hugely fascinating. Even if you find it so, stick in; as is usually the case the book's a lot better than the movie show, and it won't take you too long to see it.
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    How would you rate episode 410?

    I gave it a 9. With all the plot setups/resolutions available, it was hard not to get a good score, but still there were some really well-done scenes, like the Jon-Mance talks and Stannis resolution; the look on Cersei's face when she told Tywin the truth; the Hound/Arya farewell. But even with so much excellent TV in that episode, I'm feeling more disappointed than anything. The scene I was looking forward to most was given short shrift and what was left over was mostly re-written. I'm talking about Tyrion's escape; it was rushed, and leaving Tysha out just leaves out the signature moment for the Tyrion-Jaime relationship, plus what was going to be motivating Tyrion in the following books. Not to mention that it required the entire Tyrion-Tywin final conversation to be almost entirely rewritten, and this dialogue just didn't have the same zing as what was in that book.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP409 Discussion

    I don't think so. Sam's interpretation is "novel." But while they consider sex to be against the rules, it's the kind of violation that is treated with a nod and a wink. Numerous black brothers visit the brothels in Mole's Town regularly - I mean why do you think they even have multiple brothels in Mole's Town? In the books, most of Mole's Town is subterranean, and the crows call visiting the brothels "digging for buried treasure." Brothers visiting Mole's Town are known as "miners."
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    [Book Spoilers] EP409 Discussion

    I see so much talk in the forums about the whole Quentyn story getting left out. I just can't see that. It's central to the Dorne story, Quentyn and his buds are interesting characters, and DRAGONS! Streamlining? Sure, I can see that. Left out, no way. One thing people should take into account is that I think the show is going to be able to get away with giving the Dorne story nearly as much space as it gets in the books, if not as much. Initially, I had thought it was just way too much new stuff way too late in the story, and they were going to streamline it from sumo wrestler to Olympic gymnast. But here's the X factor: Oberyn's popularity. His character really went over big. In fact, I saw a recent fanbase poll that had him as the 2nd most popular character (favorite character of 11% of the fan base) to Tyrion's #1. Granted, Tyrion crushed him with 26%, but still. As long as they tie Dorne heavily in to revenge for Oberyn, which in fact is really what kicks the Dorne story off, I think they can go with a lot of Dorne and it will work. Plus sexy Sand Snakes.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP409 Discussion

    Well yeah, I certainly agree that "anything that's not in the books" is a horrible definition of filler. I'm such a huge fan of the books that my obsession kind of scares me, but I am by no means a book purist when it comes to the TV show. Generally, I think the creators are doing a great job of putting out a good TV show, and rigid conformance to the book story would probably ruin that. A lot of people would say that filler is any new material that doesn't advance the plot. I wouldn't even agree with that, so long as it's sufficiently entertaining. For example, I really liked the Grey Worm/Missandei stuff because it tangles with some really complicated emotional/physical/sexual/psychological material that really makes you think--although it goes nowhere (at least so far as is readily apparent) in terms of advancing the structure of the plot. I wouldn't even begin to call that "filler." I would say that new material that isn't very entertaining and doesn't advance the plot very much is probably what qualifies as "filler." Obviously, we can disagree over whether the Craster's sub-plot meets that, but I call Craster's "filler" because (1) it wasn't very entertaining (in fact, a lot of people hated it as just another addition to the surfeit of sexual violence and human degradation), (2) it didn't add a tremendous amount to characterization, and (3) it didn't advance the plot. I think they could've advanced the plot better by things like showing Mance in his camp plotting the destruction of the North, or having Jon and Sam talk about why it's so important to defend the wall against the wildlings. Those things could've set up this past episode a lot better than it actually got set up, IMO.
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