[Spoilers] Will Arya honor guestright?

[Ice Walker]

22 hours ago, Gaz0680 said:

Arya is NOT a woman of honor. She has many good traits, but being honourable isn't one of them.

That begs the question: What is honor?

- Would standing up against the Crown Prince and her own sister for a lowborn count?

- Would worrying about the fate of her "dancing master" and asking him to flee with her count?

- Would saving the lives of three men even when one of them(Rorge) openly threatened her count?

- Would saving Gendry from Amory Lorch(by identifying the now-dead Lommy as Gendry) count?

- Would standing up for a farmer and his daughter against the Hound count?

- Would begging the Hound to not kill an innocent man count? (Hog farmer prior to Red Wedding)

- Would sparing the life of an innocent actress even if it means her own death count?

[Gaz0680]

1 hour ago, Ice Walker said:

That begs the question: What is honor?

- Would standing up against the Crown Prince and her own sister for a lowborn count?

- Would worrying about the fate of her "dancing master" and asking him to flee with her count?

- Would saving the lives of three men even when one of them(Rorge) openly threatened her count?

- Would saving Gendry from Amory Lorch(by identifying the now-dead Lommy as Gendry) count?

- Would standing up for a farmer and his daughter against the Hound count?

- Would begging the Hound to not kill an innocent man count? (Hog farmer prior to Red Wedding)

- Would sparing the life of an innocent actress even if it means her own death count?

Yes, many of those actions were honorable. That doesn't make Arya a woman of honor though.

The thing is, Arya did those things because she felt they were the right thing to do, not because of any code of honor. Whereas living by a code of honor was a big personal value for some characters (Ned, Barristan Selmy, Catelyn, Robb, Jon, even Bran and Sansa early on though not so much now), it was not for Arya.

Same with Tyrion and Jaime. Neither is a man of honor, yet both have done some very noble, honorable actions. Both have also committed numerous dishonourable actions (for Tyrion particularly this applies more in the books than the show where he has been whitewashed).

Arya, unlike the rest of her family, would never let a code of honor get in the way of her doing what she felt was right or what was the most practical, efficient way to get something done that needed to be.

For example, if Arya now was in Ned's place in Season 1, no way in hell she warns Cersei. She would have either gone with Renlys  suggestion and taken the Lannister children into custody then told Robert everything or killed Cersei herself ending one immediate threat (and knowing the King held no real love for her), captured the children and prepared for war with the Lannister armies as soon as Tywin found out.

[Philokles]

1 hour ago, Ice Walker said:

That begs the question: What is honor?

A horse.

Seriously, the relationship between the moral and the honourable things to do is one of the key themes of the books and the early show. For instance, Jaime breaking his oaths by killing Aerys to save King's Landing and Ned claiming Jon as his bastard were dishonourable but it is hard to argue that they were not the right choice.