Cravensbayne Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Once Cat let the Kingslayer go, why didn't he just be cooperative and let Brienne guide him to KL? All he had to do was shut up and follow the big wench to his family. They would have made better time and probably never would have fought eachother. He would have his hand.Was his ego to blame? Being dragged in front of Tywin by a women might be a disaster for the Lannister name. Was he an idiot? I think so. He was just released, and then he tries to escape on the way home? I just don't get it.What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Pride pretty much sums it up I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Correct. He didn't want to be dragged there in chains. And he just couldn't stand Brienne at first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 He thought he could make it back much easier without Brienne and didn't want to be brought back in chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold II Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 "Pride comes before the fall"Thats Jamie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Good thread, I`ve wondered this as well, in addition to a few other things as well. If he truly couldn`t stand her, I`ve often wondered why Jamie didn`t just crack her in the noodle with the paddle when he had her at his mercy, or any of the other times he could have taken her out instead of resorting to a sword fight after over a year of being in chains, poorly fed, and out of practice.I guess it`s GRRM`s way of showing that Jamie is impulsive, but unpredictably impulsive. It took a long time for him to finally snap and say, ok, screw you woman, I`m going to wack you in the face with this sword and leave you dying on the ground as I skip off without you. I'm not convinced it was his ego with regards to Brienne. Jamie had already once nearly fought his way free, during Tyrion's failed attempt to free him with the guys disguised as Lannister soldiers escorting that messenger. I think Jamie just seized the opportunity to fight Brienne for his freedom out of necessity. Remember that considering he had already nearly escaped in the past, he had to know that the Stark forces would be moving heaven and earth to recapture or kill him. They already proved on the River that they were willing to fling arrows at him if he didn't surrender, so it had to be in the forefront of his mind that at anytime he could be taken and killed. Much is always said of the fact that Jamie didn't fear death, however he wanted to die a Knight still, which I think is the primary reason he rolled the dice with Brienne, as he had absolutely nothing to lose, and everything to gain. If she killed him, he would die sword in hand at least, and if he beat her, he would be free to travel less conspicuously, greatly increasing his odds of reaching Kings Landing unharmed, as opposed to being an obvious prisoner in chains with the only 7 foot tall woman in armor in the Kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 He's a fighter above all, and he wants to be in control, and not in shackles, and decide on the best way to get to KL himself. He thinks he has better odds trusting his own judgement than traipsing along in chains with his hopeless cousin and a woman in charge. He doesn't hit her with the paddle because despite this attitude to being her prisoner he can't help admiring her athletic skills, and sees she is risking her life to get him back, and it'd be a bit unchivalrous when she has just defeated the boatload of Tully men - this is his instincts taking over from what his head is telling him.The sword fight is the culmination of the verbal exchanges they have been having, which he initiated by calling her wench every time she calls him Kingslayer (and he even explains this is why within the first few insults they exchange but she is too bone headed to really take his point). I think partly he wanted to fight her (later when he thinks of fighting the Blackfish he thinks 'that would have been a sweet fight once' - he likes a good swordfight). I think he'd assume that he would win and that he could do it without killing her. Once started, they both completely forgot about the need for quiet because of outlaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickren Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I've always thought it was because they'd just been attacked by outlaws and he thought her stubbornness was going to get him killed. Certainly he hadn't been happy about the chains, but it was her refusal to let him take Cleo's sword, even when he offered to swear not to harm her, that was the last straw.Actually, I think he had a point. He'd just had to teach her how to scatter those archers while he was chained, unarmed on a half-blind horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cravensbayne Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Jaime didn't kill her with the paddle because Jaime is not as horrible a man as he is portrayed to be and actually has honor. This was one of the first acts of chivalry and honor he shows the readers. By not being a total dick and killing a defenseless person. I am glad I wasn't the only person who thought Jaime should have just let Brienne take him home. I would love to see the look on Tywin's face when Brienne delivers Jaime. That would be sweet. What about Cercei meeting Brienne. Maybe that's why Jaime tried to escape. He didn't want his sister to know he was alone with another women for a few fortnights. He did get aroused at Harrenhall... Even though Cercei wasn't alone the whole time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 What about Cercei meeting Brienne. Maybe that's why Jaime tried to escape. He didn't want his sister to know he was alone with another women for a few fortnights. He did get aroused at Harrenhall... Even though Cercei wasn't alone the whole time....Well, she does know Brienne was with him. In Feast, she actually dismisses the idea of anything happening between them as ridiculous or some such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cravensbayne Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 Well, she does know Brienne was with him. In Feast, she actually dismisses the idea of anything happening between them as ridiculous or some such.He had a boner. She might wanna know about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbstark Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I blame hubris, and at that point in the narrative, Jaime had bucketsfull of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 He had a boner. She might wanna know about that.I'm guessing she would, but that doesn't change the fact that she alreadly knows about Brienne being with Jaime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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