BloodRaven and Jon Snow connection

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but does anyone else think it was bloodraven warging mormonts raven in ASoS. He does like to warg Ravens and it immediately made everyone cast a ballot for Jon as Lord Commander. My question is; if this is true, what were bloodravens intentions?

I agree that he was warging Mormont's raven and trying to communicate with Jon. But I don't know why.

I also believe that it will be Bloodraven and Bran that resurrect Jon or just get his soul out of Ghost and back into Jon's body.

Perhaps it was specifically to lead him to his demise(since his orders as lord commander caused his assassination) so that if and when he does revive Jon it will be for his own purposes.

Bloodraven sees many things. As was said, things that were and things that are about to happen. So, I imagine he knows the truth about Jon`s parentage, and believes he`s fulfillment of AAR/PTWP prophecy. But also, he needed him as LC of NW to fight the Others. I think Bloodraven gave him position with good reason, so he could lead a war against the Others.

Bloodraven sees many things. As was said, things that were and things that are about to happen. So, I imagine he knows the truth about Jon`s parentage, and believes he`s fulfillment of AAR/PTWP prophecy. But also, he needed him as LC of NW to fight the Others. I think Bloodraven gave him position with good reason, so he could lead a war against the Others.

But if he sees the future, as we know he can, he must have seen his downfall

I remember the last Chapter of Jon, the Scene when he is Attacked, it´s like Bowen Marsh and the others they Did not have control of theirs bodies, I think that Blood Raven can be the mastermind behind this

P.S. Sorry for my Grammar,English is not my Principal Language

But if he sees the future, as we know he can, he must have seen his downfall

Yes, but what if his downfall was a vital stepping stone, before Jon's true power/purpose is revealed?

I remember the last Chapter of Jon, the Scene when he is Attacked, it´s like Bowen Marsh and the others they Did not have control of theirs bodies, I think that Blood Raven can be the mastermind behind this

That is a valid point. Most on here agree that, the entire incident is very suspect to interpretation; as why it happened or who actually was the one pulling the strings.

But if he sees the future, as we know he can, he must have seen his downfall

And Jon`s death might bring him rebirth of hero. There`s a theory about Jon being resurrected in that ice cage where they keep meat. In midst of smoke and salt, referrence to ham :)

He doesn't see the future, he saw the past and the present, I'm not sure if he can see the future as well

He doesn't see the future, he saw the past and the present, I'm not sure if he can see the future as well

Even Jojen Reed could see the future in his green dreams. I'm sure someone as powerful as BloodRaven cqan do the same.

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but does anyone else think it was bloodraven warging mormonts raven in ASoS. He does like to warg Ravens and it immediately made everyone cast a ballot for Jon as Lord Commander. My question is; if this is true, what were bloodravens intentions?

The more interesting question, if you've read up on the threads a bit, becomes "Is Bloodraven also warging Viserion." :P

Bloodraven knows the truth about Jon's heritage. He also has elite Targ/First men genetics like Jon (Assuming R+L=J). To add green dreams can peer into the future although ambigiously. Using weirwood trees only allows you to see everything a tree can see or has ever seen.

And Jon`s death might bring him rebirth of hero. There`s a theory about Jon being resurrected in that ice cage where they keep meat. In midst of smoke and salt, referrence to ham :)

Hence people calling him UnHam. :lol:

This is an interesting topic. Bloodraven as we know "has a thousand eyes and one" as Dunk and Egg tells us.

I wonder what the connection between BR and the Starks as a whole is. I think there must be something since BR told Bran that he had watched him and waited for him for many years....Bran is important to him. As is Jon Snow. There is more to the BR-Stark connection than just geography. I am curious as to how this will play out.

I do believe that BR will use Jon Snow to lead the charge against the Great Other. Not sure how it will be done though. But I can't wait to see.

Same for me: can't wait either!

Hope they'll ever meet, these two.

Even Jojen Reed could see the future in his green dreams. I'm sure someone as powerful as BloodRaven cqan do the same.

You have to remember that Greendreams don't see exactly what happens in the future, they are visions that can be interpreted in different ways, just like the fires of the Red Priests. Just because Jojen managed to interpret the stuff regarding Bran doesn't mean that all greenseers can interpret their dreams correctly 100% of the time, just as Melisandre misinterprets her visions on numerous occasions. All of this is just to say that Bloodraven won't necessarily be right about everything he sees so saying that he can "see the future" in a concrete sense isn't necessarily true. If any of that makes any sense.

As for Mormont's Raven, I prefer to think that Mormont was actually a secret warg who's partner animal thing was his raven, and when he transferred his soul into the raven. When the election came about, there was still enough Jeor in there to do his little trick.

Also, I wonder if BR had something to do with a "She-Wolf" back in the Dunk and Egg days...if one of the Starks from generations ago may have been "of his seed". I was hoping the 4th Dunk and Egg which was supposed to take place at Winterfell and was about the She Wolves of Winterfell might shed light on this. But GRRM has not written that one yet, or at least he has not released it yet.

You have to remember that Greendreams don't see exactly what happens in the future, they are visions that can be interpreted in different ways, just like the fires of the Red Priests. Just because Jojen managed to interpret the stuff regarding Bran doesn't mean that all greenseers can interpret their dreams correctly 100% of the time, just as Melisandre misinterprets her visions on numerous occasions. All of this is just to say that Bloodraven won't necessarily be right about everything he sees so saying that he can "see the future" in a concrete sense isn't necessarily true. If any of that makes any sense.

As for Mormont's Raven, I prefer to think that Mormont was actually a secret warg who's partner animal thing was his raven, and when he transferred his soul into the raven. When the election came about, there was still enough Jeor in there to do his little trick.

As far as I know only Warg's can transfer any part of themselves into any animal. Mormont was no Warg.

This is an interesting topic. Bloodraven as we know "has a thousand eyes and one" as Dunk and Egg tells us.

I wonder what the connection between BR and the Starks as a whole is. I think there must be something since BR told Bran that he had watched him and waited for him for many years....Bran is important to him. As is Jon Snow. There is more to the BR-Stark connection than just geography. I am curious as to how this will play out.

I do believe that BR will use Jon Snow to lead the charge against the Great Other. Not sure how it will be done though. But I can't wait to see.

Or what if he is using the Starks for the Great Other. Melisandre seems to thinks that Bloodraven is the Great Other. At least that's what she assumes from her flame vision.