Lady Blackmont

The thing that annoys me the most is that it is generally show apologists who don't like them. They use bad source material as an excuse, and say that is the primary reason season five was horrible. My key problem here is that the show has shown no aversion to shifting storylines and speeding up development, and the result is very different from ASOIAF. I mean, what are their primary complaints regarding the final books? 1. Jaime doing nothing in the Riverlands Brilliantly replaced by... Jaime doing nothing in Dorne. 2. Brienne searching for Sansa. Replaced with... Brienne doing nothing outside Winterfell. 3. Sansa eating lemon cakes in the Vale. Replaced with... Sansa getting raped in Winterfell and neither adding nor subtracting anything from her character. (Let's be honest with ourselves, Sansa's abuse is hardly ever going to be referenced again. Especially because she will NEVER be raped by Ramsay in the books.) 4. Tyrion doing nothing on a journey to Meereen. Replaced with... Tyrion hanging with bros in Meereen and fucking with everyone's arcs there as he arrived too early. 5. Dorne introducing new characters. Replaced with... Bad Pussy. The worst arc every viewed on my television. 6. Boring new Aegon laying siege to a castle and elephants on Cape Wrath. Too boring, must be cut. 7. Euron arriving on the Iron Islands, the Kingsmoot, Victarion heading out with a fleet of 100 longships, raiding the Reach. Too boring, must be cut. The new material is sooooo much better than those crappy books. Look at how much butchering those plotlines improved on the source material. I will stress one last time that I have absolutely no problem with cutting storylines and changing them. I was really looking forward to Sansa in Winterfell. But then we get not a single plotline superior to what I read, with all that potential, with all the knowledge regarding what people disliked and what should be enhanced.

Don't give them any ideas. The last thing we need is goat bestiality to titillate the audience.

So it's okay for you to subjectively rate the Finale a 10/10, but it's not okay for book readers to rate Feast and Dance 10/10. Got it, you like the show because boobs and are intolerent of other opinions and tastes. I would recommend that everyone ignore this troll, he is obviously here just to be a dick for laughs.

People love American Idol too. I guess that makes it great television.

I think the book readers shitting on Feast and Dance are doing so for a reason. And it's not because they actually think the books are poor quality. One thing I have noticed is that they tend to be people who have expressed doubts that George will ever finish the saga. Leading me to believe that they think GoT is the only way they will ever see the story finished. So they have done some sort of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that the show is, in fact, great. I admit that Feast and Dance ave flaws, but I found some of the storylines included to be incredible. The build up around Winterfell, everything going to shit in KL, the Iron Islands kingsmoot, and (say what you want) Dorne. Just because you can't handle extra characters doesn't make it bad writing. I found the father/daughter relationship between Arianne and Doran to be incredible. Arrianne is one of the deepest characters I have ever read about.

WoS was meh, the show could have done more with those 14 minutes. Why did we need full frontal nudity? They could have given us headshots, but no, the audience likes their titties. A ten minute walk would have been fine, and then they could have given us moe build up for FTW. Or, I don't know, a median scene with swords clashing during the battle on the ice. As for book readers being offended because the show has caught up... Really? Do people actually think readers care? We knew this was coming a long time ago. And please stop suggesting that we mind about the changes the writers have made. Nobody is expecting a good adaption now, and deviations are not the foremost issue on anyone's mind. And Unsullied really need to stop commenting on the quality of books four and five, don't regurgitate what other people have said. If you want to judge them, read them. -End rant

He was replying to the controversy, that was something he "had" to do. It wasn't exactly a choice. If he hadn't, people would have made grand assumptions.

Oh, for a second there I thought you were legitimately expressing serious thoughts about the writing. Please ignore the troll.

Who is complaining that they are deviating from the books? As I have said, I am totally cool with adaption changes, send Sansa to Winterfell? Awesome, let's do that, the Starks are coming home. The writers think that Brienne's storyline in the riverlands will be boring? Cool, put her in the north, that has a lot of potential. Dorne introduced too many new characters in the books and seemed like a pointless sideshow to them? Okay, let's make it better. The problem is they made the storylines worse in the show, they had so much potential, and yet I hear no one saying that they preferred Brienne waiting for a candle, or Sansa replacing Jeyne, much less Dorne, which was a fiasco. I love the idea that the show is going to go on a different path, it is actually preferable to me as a book reader, as it means I can enjoy the books and the show as different entities and explore new ideas. The problem is that the writers took the potential and fumbled, and worse, they tried to tie in book moments to their adaption. FTW, WoS, burning Shireen, Sansa in Winterfell, Tyrion killing Tywin... These don't make sense in the show's world. They just seem forced and inorganic. What I would really like to see is the show separating and following the broad strokes of the books, while actually inventing their own scenes WHICH ARE WORTHY OF TELEVISION. They have done these before in earlier seasons, I have loved some of their invented scenes which do a great job at bringing out the characters, but they seem to have completely failed this season. Of course, I would be very happy if they would follow the books more closely, as they seem to do their best work when adapting directly from ASOIAF, but again, I would be equally pleased with their own material. As long as it is coherent.

Good acting doesn't cover up bad writing. #Fact

So basically you're saying that the next book is going to begin with an epic start? That's the way I see it, and it will be worth the wait.

How can you rate anything 10/10 when the writers put in "Bad Pussy"?

This Season had no coherence even from a moderately intelligent Unsullied point of view.

:bowdown: Pope reference was brilliant. I guess David said, I wanna do it! I wanna do it! Oh, and I'm bringing my bro too.

Why George did it? Boatloads of cash. Why HBO allowed it? FIIK.

Sansa Stark (Sophie Turner) on HBO's"Game of Thrones." Right below a picture of Arya. :dunce: :crying: :bang:

Cersei convinced Joffrey not to abuse Sansa, at least for a time. It's not like Roose can't control Ramsey. Ramsey relies on Roose for legitimacy, he needs to suck up to him. (So long as Roose is alive) Ramsey would be expected to consummate the marriage, but he doesn't have to RAPE her. Sansa is apparently at Winterfell voluntarily, and she doesn't know, for certain, that Ramsey is evil. It could be completely consensual in the show. Just have Roose say "I forbid you to rape her, Bastard." And settle it as that. As someone mentioned, all Jeyne/Sansa have to do is point the finger and there will be two dead Boltons. In the books, many of the lords aren't certain the (F)Arya is really a stark, but they still need the Boltons to finish kicking out the Ironborn. I think they would take exception to a Stark being raped.

They could have had Roose forbid him from raping her on the wedding night. My point is that they can, and have, done whatever they want with scant regard to the Book version of the character. Just because Sansa married Ramsey doesn't mean the rape has to happen.

I mean, if they all end up in the same place, who cares if they're different characters? Why bother even having all that stuff about war in the Riverlands, or Brienne questioning whether she has the heart to kill, or Dorne getting vengeance, as long as there's a place for everyone and everyone in there place. Because all of that stuff which made them get to the places they are is just fluff. Who cares about the characters themselves? It's the story that matters.

When were the Unsullied rooting for Stannis? I can't imagine them rooting for Samwell's Father either.

You're right, I'm sorry, let me be more clear The current GoT writing staff fumbles characters motivations and THEY need to stick to one telling. All other writing staffs who can pay attention to detail should keep at it.

Like some other people have said, if you want to change half the things that happen and keep the other half, you end up having characters do things for completely irrational reasons. They either need to write their own story, and follow the story of the books. Make a choice, you can't have both.

Because Sansa getting raped is totally better than Sansa arriving triumphant with an army from the Vale. They could have put her in Winterfell without raping her. They could have given her agency. She could have waited outside the walls with Brienne for all I care. They have the power to change some things, but not others?

Brienne's story in the Riverlands won't appeal to fans. Cool, change it, have her explore her arc in The North instead, that should be interesting. Oh, you put her in a tower watching a window waiting for a candle for two months, because you needed her to be near Winterfell so she could kill Stannis, I get it. Freeing Sansa would totally work too, because those 1,500 Bolton soldiers are playing pattycake with Dany's Unsullied in some bunker until we need them for something.