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  1. Jon Ice-Eyes

    Advanced Crackpottery 5 - Dragonsteel

    Two things are relevant here. First, meteors were the first available source of iron available to humans. This is because smelting technology wasn't really made yet. They had good enough forges to work iron, but not good enough to extract it from rocks. Meteors can have big chunks of iron, ready to work. So if you happen to find a fallen star, or a moon meteor, iron -- sometimes people say 'steel' interchangeably -- would be available. Second, steel is iron plus carbon. Also, really good steel -- the kind that makes good damascus steel -- has other elements like chromium, nickel, molybdenum, and even silicon. Actual moon rocks are high in some of the rarer metals. What I think is that dragon bone also has these elements, and if you add these to iron, you might get some crazy-ass steel. Using dragon flame to forge with, and adding in dragon bone might allow some crazy alloys which on Planetos are magical. Dragon steel in my mind is dragon bone plus iron, plus a lot of crafting technology. Maybe a little blood sacrifice. Some of this may have been available through really fortunate convergence to a bronze-age society; just enough to make, say, one sword.
  2. @ravenous reader Yeah, blue here does seem to be an indicator of infection, often fatal. It even works for Lyanna. I see it as the afflicted white. It often seems to arise when ice and fire meet. See Jon, fire moon meteors way up north, Shade of Evening trees. It's usually a bad mix; this has me a little perplexed with Lyanna and Jon being blue roses...
  3. @Cowboy Dan just posted this quote from AGOT that lines up hard with fire moon meteors as an infection, with the weirwoods attempting an immune response: Black blood! Love it! Probably you already have this lined up to talk about down the road. But it was too juicy to go unmentioned.
  4. I know! I just never really saw a place for your idea in the whole structure of things. This train of thought kind of snapped it into place for me. It got me thinking about the families who wield them, and how they're out of place in their environments. The Daynes are all ice symbolism way down south, and the Starks in their hot castle with fiery wolf blood in the north. Is it just that The George loves to mess around with opposites? The little dots in the yin-yang? I feel like there's more to it than that.
  5. I am a little worried about this -- maybe worried isn't the right word, but it's been playing on my mind a lot -- since your Nissa Nissa podcasts. It seemed to me that her side of the equation was not... entirely unnatural. Then there's this: This set off a lot of bells for me. The faming sword represents (biblically) nemesis, as in the dire consequence of hubris. Or more precisely, it blocks humanity from gaining godlike power by getting at the tree of life. Death stops you from living forever like a god. The flaming sword here is a boundary enforcer. So... what does that mean for Lightbringer? We all envision Lightbringer as the weapon which stops the Others and brings back the cycle of day and night. But it's pretty clear that dragons are the true hubris, the centre of the cycle-breaking Blood Betrayal. Does that make Lightbringer a dragon-slayer? Maybe the pair of swords you spotted so long ago, Ice and Dawn, are BOTH Lightbringer? White with blue flame to stop dragons, black with red flame to stop Others? Two moons, two swords, two Azor Ahais Reborn?
  6. The Others are going to be a fun ride! As a bullshitter, I rely on you and our fellow partygoers for the deep dive textual clues to direct me, and I'm a little stymied at present. I have a few ideas... Following the Miasma essay you linked to at the Last Hearth: the Others as an immune response. Maybe they were once a regular immune response, but they've been thrown off-kilter. I mean, they're even white, like white blood cells! I see them as the weirwoods' immune system gone haywire, an allergic response to the black meteor/fire moon intrusion. That shit is clearly toxic (compare to pollution IRL) and has upset the regular life-death balance. The Others have gone mad trying to excise the foreign matter, and are now attacking the body as well. See also the FM possibly overthrowing the Valyrian Empire. I compare current Valyria to a scar or pus-weeping wound. What I can't square is the undead wights. An army of revived corpses doesn't fit my theory too well, nor do the NW and other 'good guys' who have rampant undead symbolism. Greenseer resurrection seems to be a thing, but it is a real puzzle. I'm sure Nissa Nissa is the key here... somehow. And I am all with you on the undead summer and undead winter symbolism seeming to be separate and opposing. I think the colours allude to it, but it's a tough nut to crack.
  7. Nothing like randomly kicking everyone out to kill a sweet vibe. It was a great party when it was rocking, so I'll have a go at getting something started again. First, let me say that Nissa Nissa as a weirwood was pretty damn good. The next leap -- Nissa Nissa as a death goddess -- while logical in hindsight, blew my skull wide open. So thanks are in order. First, let me share my method. An excellent historian I had in grad school passed along some ancient wisdom. There are two types of history essay: cowshit and bullshit. Cowshit is too many examples without enough general conclusions, and bullshit is too many general conclusions without enough examples. This post is mostly bullshit. Weirwood trees, as we all know by now, are stand-ins for the World Tree. Yggdrasil. They have their roots underground and underwater -- the Underworld, where the dead are -- with trunks running through the world as we know it, and their leaves up in the sky -- the Heavens, where the stars and the gods live. That's a metaphor, kind of, but not really, but pretty much it is. I follow many others before me in theorizing that if you are going to climb the tree, you have to start at the bottom. The roots, the realm of the dead. You have to die. The exception being the Odin figure, who can hang sacrificially on the tree and exist astride all these realms. This is a special place for a magical person -- Odin is the god of magic -- and not available to just anyone. Odin is also the god of life and death, the chooser. His Valkyries go and take the slain, but -- in many myths -- he says who lives and who dies. He is also the law-giver, which explains Arya as a Valkyrie: she enforces the most sacred and basic laws. (Shout out to the genius who made the Valkyrie connection.. was it @ravenous reader? @Pain killer Jane? @sweetsunray? Forgive me, I've forgotten.) The tie-in to NN, where she goes into the weirwoods and becomes tied to their death-life spanning power, is really interesting. She becomes, in a sense, Hel, the overlord of the place of the dead. She's there, in the roots. As all the super fucked up imagery shows, she was a bloody sacrifice... but to my mind, she is pissed. Like Hel, she is an image of cruel and unfeeling vengeance. That's what I am seeing, which is all pretty much there in the podcast. But this is all just an aspect of the weird and dark cosmology that the Norse myth has to offer. Hel isn't exactly some sort of unnatural part of things... she's got a real and important part in the underworld. She's cold and sometimes malevolent, but fits in the structure in her way. Compare to Arya, the Faceless Men, and the Others -- all of whom share a bunch of imagery. As more perspicacious readers than I point out! My conclusion is simply that these are forces of death that are out to drag the deserving screaming into the underworld. In a sense, they are righting the imbalance. Which has implications for the fiery dragon and fire-wight side of the equation. That's a good start. Am I on to something? Or maybe just taking a tiny step beyond what was in the essay already? I dunno!
  8. @LmL The forum has been down for me all weekend. I have some theories, but as I alluded to, I think you may have already written them in your next essay... so I am hesitant to put them here, cause I figure you'll just go ahead and say that shit soon, but more completely and with better evidence. On second thought, fuck it. I'll spitball here in a minute, and you can comment as/if you please.
  9. Jon Ice-Eyes

    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    Bran's scenes actually were super sad. He gave up his life to become this distant god. He cannot fall in love, or be a warrior, or even remember what it's like to WANT thise things. That is a sacrifice. That is a fucking tragedy. Also I loved him meeting Arya. Bran is now actually no one, in a manner of speaking. She got her identity back, he gave his away. It was poetic and sad.
  10. Jon Ice-Eyes

    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    They took care of the ship problem. Thee was a line of dialogue. Tyrion says to Dany in Dragonstone's war room: "We still have just enough ships to get the Dothraki to the mainland." Done. For the show, this episode is actually very impressive for logistics. The Lannister army is very drawn out, as huge companies of soldiers are when marching. Recall Jaime's brief exchange with Tarly. That's how the Dothraki got the drop on them. If it were a set-piece battle, with tens of thousands of spearmen drawn up in formation several ranks deep, the unarmoured Dothraki would have been slaughtered. Dany actually did EXACTLY what works best: use her superior mobility to hit them unprepared, use the dragon to open up huge holes in their shield wall, the Dothraki charge through, and murder wildly in the chaos. When you have mobility, speed, and air superiority, this is flawless strategy. Step 2: burn the Iron Fleet. It will be a cakewalk. And put some god damned armour on!!
  11. Really? So numerous members of my family are impossible? Shame. I shall have to check on them and see if they still exist. Two people carrying recessive genes that are not phenotypical can have children who have a double-recessive. And that's just Mendelian genetics, which isn't even the whole story. You can even look it up. Science!!
  12. It's amazing. A lot of food for thought here, but I have to wait for the next one before I finish all those thoughts! Always anxiously awaiting additional, um, material.
  13. Nothing, really. Prudes will cluck their tongues. In real life, the Catholic Church legitimizes kids born before the wedding.
  14. Jon Ice-Eyes

    [Spoilers] EP703 Discussion

    The writers are just hand-waving away logistics so that they can stack the deck against Dany. She then has to ride her dragons out and burninate lots of people. Fans get huge revenge boners. The end. Pretty much par for the course. I watch for the few great moments, like Lady Tyrell.
  15. Also, the thread name 'Final Solution'... really not a good look. Super bad.