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  1. Cersei's 'love' for Rhaegar was no different than Robert's 'love' for Lyanna (a perfect idealization created based solely on their phyisical appearances). If Rhaegar and Cersei had married, trust and believe the moment Cersei's perfect idealization of Rhaegar was shattered, she would've started to hate/resent him and wanting to rid herself of him. As for the WoS, I think pity's the closest to sympathy we're supposed to feel (at least in my case); this is a woman who has done and caused terrible things, directly or indirectly, not to mention she completely brought it upon herself with her foolish, arrogant actions. The closest to sympathy I've ever felt for Cersei was towards the end of the WoS, when she trips and falls to the ground and she begins 'crawling on all fours like a dog' while the 'good' people of King's Landing laugh, point, cheer and jeer. As for Robert's abuse, cases can be made for both of them abusing each other. They were just as bad and toxic.
  2. Hey all, reading through Aegon III’s saga in Fire and Blood, only now do I realize how powerless kings under the age of 16 truly are. His regent(s) and Hand can make decisions in his name and overrule anything that he has to say. Unwin Peake proves this better than anybody else. In AGOT, Joff is 12-13 when he becomes king, and as Ned Stark is imprisoned and Tywin Lannister is busy fighting a war when he is named hand, Cersei is the one holding all the cards in King's Landing. We know Cersei's an idiot, at least compared to the true players in the story, but even she knows killing the Lord of Winterfell when tensions with the North are at an all time high is a bad idea. Sending Ned to the wall gets him and the North off her back and provides The Night’s Watch with a valuable resource. And when Joffrey orders his head, Cersei does... absolutely nothing. Is she so ignorant of Westerosi law that she didn’t know she could stop Joffrey any time she wanted? Could it be that she still wanted Ned dead anyways, damn the consequences? She’s doesn’t show too much in the way of foresight, so I suppose it’s possible.
  3. It is Margaery Now, a lot of people think that Cersei can’t be “cast down” until after all three of her kids have golden shrouds (die), but that’s a common misconception caused by conflating the former quote with this one: So in terms of sequential order, the only thing Maggy predicts is that Cersei will almost assuredly outlive her children. Chronologically, we have no clue when this “younger and more beautiful” queen will “cast her down.” Anyway, who is it? Logic might tell us it’s Dany. After all, we have to assume she’s coming to Westeros, she is certainly younger (and probably considered more beautiful for that reason alone because Westeros can be a bit gross about these things), and from what we know, she’s out to cast down the Barathisters and take the throne. Poetry might tell us it’s Sansa. Cersei’s mistreatment of her was obvious, and there are many, many hints that Sansa may one day become queen. It’s also notable that Sansa herself is determined to have her approach to any potential future rule be diametrically opposed to Cersei’s: Those are two lovely candidates. But…the thing is, we kind of already know the answer, because Cersei has been cast down as of the end of AFFC. The YMBQ is Margaery. And it’s Margaery because Maggy’s prophecy is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Cersei projected absolutely everything onto Margaery: her evil, scheming nature, her “wanton” ways, hell even the idea that she may have been involved in an incestuous relationship with Loras. And none of this is the reality. Yes, Margaery is not completely above scheming (she was definitely at least aware of Joffrey’s murder), not a total idiot (“Your Grace, this must be answered fiercely!”), and doesn’t have an in-tact hymen. But in general, what we know of Margaery is that she’s a relatively innocuous girl who is traded around by her father like a baseball card, and who goes out of her way to put on a performance of idealized maidenhood through such nefarious acts as picking autumn flowers, visiting the sept on Maiden’s Day, and frequenting fish merchant’s stalls. The “evil schemer” is a total fabrication of Cersei’s, because she believes in the prophecy. And it’s quite clear that everything Cersei does to set up Margaery (seducing the Kettleblacks, torturing the Blue Bard) is what leads to her own downfall, just as everything she does to keep her children safe (dismissing all Tyrells from the Council and surrounding herself with incompetent sycophants, forbidding Tommen from visiting the commoners with Margaery even though it would improve his public image) are actually putting them in even greater danger. Now that’s poetry.
  4. I feel like Cersei's feelings for Tywin were love, hate, admiration, fear, respect, resentment all in one
  5. As great an actress as Lena was, she wasn’t Cersei, I agree. In a perfect world, Lena would’ve been Cat and she would be (book) Cersei
  6. STARK STARK Eddard: Gerard Butler Catelyn: wait for it.. XD ( Rob: fanart Sansa: Annalise Basso Arya: Lulu Wilson Bran: Jack Dylan Grazer Jon: Hiccup LANNISTER Tywin: David Carradine Cersei: Viva Bianca Jamie: Liam McIntyre Tyrion: fanart Joffrey: fanart with a less evil, more stuck up pouty expression Myrcella: young Mackenna Grace Tomment: fanart BARATHEON Renly: Jose Ron Stannis: John Hannah Melisandre: Lucy Lawless Gendry: Ian Somerhalder TARGARYEN Daenerys: Elsa Viserys: Cuzco Rhaegar: Legolas Khal Drogo: Shan Yu GREYJOY Theon: Fanart Asha: Fanart Victarion: wait for it XD Euron: Sharlto Copley Aeron: Bill Moseley MARTELL Arianne: Aislinn Derbez Oberyn: Oded Fehr Ellaria Sand: Kim Kardashian Tyene Sand: Gabriella Wilde Quentyn Martell: Vadhir Derbez OTHERS Walder Frey: Oscar Niemeyer Bronn: Aragorn Lysa Tully: Eva Green Jon Connington: Hugh Jackman Taena Merrywheather: Emmanuelle Vaugier High Sparrow: Peter McCauley Lady Stoneheart: source Podrick Payne: Finn Wolfhard Some of the other characters I do picture them just like in the show (Brienne, Robert, Davos) and some others I picture my friends XD and can't post their pictures hah
  7. I've never understood why people think Russel is Robert's bastard. The evidence seems to amount to "Taena didn't want to bring him to court." Well no shit, KL is a pit of vipers, and Cersei is a psychotic paranoid trainwreck. What mother would want her son anywhere near that mess?
  8. I picture them more like this
  9. I agree. She's a social climber who was using and playing (and had a legit girl crush on) Cersei for her own benefit. That she fled kinda confirms it. Her son would've become Cersei's hostage guest; she was smart to not let this happen.
  10. I can't take people being stabbed seriously on this show. Dany and Hotah are insta-dead with one stab. Arya took a bunch to the stomach, fell into a rank river, and was healthy and active the next day, Jaime gets a sword though his stomach and is still talking and manages to make it to Cersei. Incidentally, I find it also hilarious how Evil Dany is meant to be taken seriously. In a show that has framed vengeance and vindictiveness as heroic actions throughout. We're all worried about Dany! But no one seems disturbed by Arya exterminating House Frey, or Sansa feeding Ramsay to his hounds, or Jon hanging Olly, or Tyrion arming the hill tribes to torment the smallfolk of the Vale, or Cersei blowing up the Sept and killing hundreds. Yeesh. I'm glad it's over. The embarrassment of it all is finally done.
  11. I've been trying to craft a response to this episode for two days, to give it at least something of a fair shake, but I just can't. There have been individual moments on GoT more unpleasant than this (Sansa's rape, for example) but as whole episodes go, this was probably just about as unwatchable as the show gets. Previous bad episodes were at least bad in interesting ways. D&D have a penchant for almost getting the point, but being off by just enough that if nothing else, how they screwed it up makes for interesting discussion. Not here. The episode itself can be summarized in one sentence: Dany burns down Kings Landing. The scorpions introduced a season ago did nothing to stop it, despite being teased as something that might even the odds. The Sellsword Company ex Machina, I mean the Golden Company, were introduced so that they could be roasted by dragon fire. Euron gets his fleet burned and loses a sword fight with a man missing his sword hand. The oh so hyped fight between the Clegane brothers came about in the most contrived fashion and it was really hard to get invested in the outcome. Did Sandor ever mention hating his brother before this episode? Certainly not for several seasons. Whatever was left of Jaime Lannister died when he said that he never actually cared about the people of King's Landing. Those would be the same people he sacrificed his reputation to save. Was this tragic irony or simply bad writing? Whatever, our favourite twincests get to die in each other's arms. Arya's plot armour has reached anime levels; it's ridiculous. I still have no idea what the point of the bells that gave this episode it's title was supposed to be. At first, ringing them to signal surrender seemed like something Tyrion had just thought up: he tells Dany to listen for them and then he tells Jaime to have them rung. But then, we have random people calling for the bells to ring, like it's a common signal for surrender. If this were the case though, why would Tyrion need to tell people what they meant? The most likely explanation is that it was supposed to be a recognized signal of surrender, but this was never actually established before in either books or show, so they had to go extra heavy on the foreshadowing. Also, does anybody know what Meera Reed, Yara Greyjoy, Edmure Tully, Quaithe, Daario Naharis, Illyrio Mopathis, Jaquen H'Ghar, Robert Arryn, The Hill Tribes of the Vale, Kinvara, Salladhor Saan and Ilyn Payne are up to?
  12. No way. He wouldn’t need to proclaim he was evil to Brienne to do that. If he needed to not be honest with Brienne (for whatever reason), he could have just said he needed to reason with his sister or save his sister even though she didn’t deserve it etc., still making Jaime heroic and a good man. This is purposeful. This is Jaime’s endgame in the show, I guess. Evil alongside his twin until the end.
  13. Everything feels so contrived: Deadpan's impending madness, Sansa's "schemes", The spike launchers having 360 no scope aim, Cheryl suddenly being an unbeatable force (Lena Headey looked damn good in that darth vader robe, tho). None of this plot makes sense or fits the characters. The entire point of WW was to be an apocalyptic threat that would show the folly of human bickering and war and now they're not only immediately dealt with, but completely forgotten. This entire season has been one big simultaneous "Fuck you" to George RR Martin and A Song of Ice and Fire
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