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I can accept that point. But back to the claim, that a conqueror would have to be the debts of the person he killed or from whom he usurped the throne. That makes no sense. That is no heritage. A usurper will not cover for his predecessors debts. Not at all. That is ridiculous.

I accepted that point. But if he doesn't want to have a credit, he does not need to pay back any old debts.

Well, he "agrees" and is pressured by the IB -- that does not mean he has to. New loans, new conditions. It might be sensible not to apply for new loan at the IB anyway. But paying back old debts makes no sense at all.

Come on, if a throne is conquered, the new king does not stand in for the debt of the old government. That is the risk of whoever lends money. The IB knew that they only get there money back if Cersei wins. Otherwise the money is lost. It is lost, obviously.

This. Agreed. They ended the arcs nice and sensible and fitting.

I gave it a 9 of 10, mainly because I like the end and they wrapped things up quite nicely. It all makes sense and is indeed bittersweet. The writing by GRRM is very clear, this is his story and his ending, I am sure. + The end was satisfying and more or less how I expected it to be. + Most important, there is no Iron throne anymore. Made by dragon fire, destroyed by dragon fire, exactly as expected and long-predicted by me. This is a proper final ending to the game of thrones. + Jon kills Daenerys, her betrayal for love. He somehow sacrifices himself for the realm. Jon banned to the Night's watch is a fine, bittersweet ending and fits to his character very well. He meets Tormund again, has a friend close by, reunites with Ghost on a friendly basis, he will have a good Northern life up there. What a perfect arc for his character. + Arya sails West of Westeros, that was foreshadowed so clearly and fits so nicely to he character arc. I glad they did it. She survives, adventures lying ahead, a smile on her face and the Stark sigil proudly on her sails. She is a Stark, but on her own. No stupid assistant to her sister queen. I love this arc from sweet tomboy beginning to tough young lady in the end. One of my favorite characters with a perfect arc. + North is independent. Bran as new King makes some sort of sense after all, promises a good future for the land and subsequent Kings will be elected as well. Not democracy but elected emporer makes a lot of sense for this time. Laughing about the people deciding was a good one, too. + Sansa as Queen in the North, of an independent North, makes a lot of sense and is satisfying for her arc and for the arc of the North as entity as well. Would have been bad if Sansa would have knelt to Bran. + The sequence closing scenes and the decision for the very last scene is well done. It's amazing that they avoid a Hollywoodish ending and still get it right with a lot of fine decisions. GRRM pure, I bet.

Very good linked article, summing up my points quite well... ;-) Thank you.

Of course, this third holy-shit moment was written by GRRM. The fate of Daenerys is pivotal to the whole story. This is not DD messing things up, but the fundamental outline of the story. Daenerys has been clearly depicted to be ruthless, greedy for power, violent and callous from the beginning on. Some people paid no attention, other were blinded by the charisma of Emilia Clarke, but the character Daenerys was clearly going that way all the time.

Yes, I agree, but that are minor characters and minor plot lines. Not the quintessence. Me neither, but I trust at least in the quintessence being the same.

I believe in the promise that the essence and quintessence will be very similar. Daenerys turning mad is one of the essentials, destroying King's Landing, too. Fates of Jaime and Cersei might turn out a bit different, but they will both die.

Your hope won't come true. They promised to have the same essentials. Daenerys turning into the Queen of Ashes is very fundamental.

It is. Many people are just here to moan, whine and hate. To find mistakes and slight inconsistencies. Why not sharing what we enjoy? It still is the greatest show even so far. And yes, S1-5 were better. GRRM is missing in S7/8. I agree. It still is moaning a very high level.

My goodness. So what? In the Blackwater battle scene the bells were rung to signal the beginning of the battle. Bells can have multiple uses. Even if that were a minor mistake, it wouldn't ruin the whole story. Some people want to enjoy one of the greatest shows ever, some want just to find mistakes and moan, whine, hate. Why on earth? If you don't like the show, don't watch ist,

What's your problem? Maybe it was a trick of Tyrion? Tyrion made this upand instructed Jaime to ring the bells. Davos and Tyrion can habe opposite opinions and intentions when they interpret the bells.

Not really, no. She reached a pivotal point where love didn't work and so "let it be fear". She snapped because she lost so much and no one was grateful. For me, this is a very nice episode and quite believable.

Yeah! It was stunning. 10/10. I don't think so. Daenerys reaction is not unexpected and the possibility has been discussed for ages. It is not an entirely new trait. So many people expected a Mad Queen ending. There are some shortcomings in telling the story and some minor issues (like too easily shooting down Rhaegal), but overall it is a very fine storyline.

Yes, it was. No, very many people expected it and discussed it long before the episode aired. What you do for love. The circle closes. Very well. Sandor/Arya was a great scene, one of the best of the show, two characters with important turning points in their arc.

True. Not everyone understood the clues and some fanboys are angry about that.

Wow, I gave this episode a 10/10. So well done. So very many worthwhile scenes. I am suprised people downvote the episode just because their favorite character loses it. The Sandor/Arya scene was so perfect. Both arcs had an important turning point. The fire scenes were well done. Visuals are stunning! Seeing the enormous suffering through the eyes of the escaping Arya was well done, too. It is difficult to show real suffering and they succeeded. They made the war not any heroic issue, but focused on the suffering of common people. Well done. Daenerys lost friends, advisers, dragons, lovers, suffered multiple betrayals and then she snaps. So much foreshadowing for this. So believable and expected. Carried out well, also well-performed by the actress. Varys betrayal and death scene short and well done. In summary, a really great episode. It is unfair to downvote an episode that is well done, just because you don't like the storyline of GRRM.

She was willing to do everything against Cersei when she arrived in Westeros. Tyrion had to talk her out off it. Now she is unstable because of witnessing Missandei's beheading and snaps. Rage, fury, anger and grief mixing up to blindly attacking King's Landing and not minding any damage anymore. That is my expectation and it would be utterly believable and understandable. She wasn't a great queen in Meeren, too. Nor in Yunkai. She was always portayed as good for change but not for stability and ruling with patience.

Agreed. Brutal, ruthless, callous, with a tendency to snap-reactions and overdoing it. Yes, she has the good side, too, the warm, with heart and goodness. Hm, yes, but only because Tyrion and Varys reminded her about her father. This was foreshadowing, like it or not. Yes, then don't call it "mad" but snapping to fury and rage and that lies in her personality and parentage. That's right, but how far you go in anger and rage might be connected to it. The Mad King started out much better in younger years, too, and went to "burn them all" in a time of despair. Well, I still believe it is. I am open to terminology discussions and maybe we shouldn't call it madness in the narrower sense of the word. But Daenerys has a tendency to instability / anger, rage and fury / snapping and overreacting with an acceptance of brutality and mass killings.

Yes, Tyrion is beginning to have doubt and at least evaluates alternatives. This was already clear when Sansa offered him an alternative and again when discussing with Varys. Well, the key feature will be how Daenerys reacts. She has a face of pure fury, grief and rage (well played, by the way) and I expect her to take Drogon for a ride of fiery attack. Tyrion has been once again a bad hand and failed in the negotiations. He lost again against his sister. Too many losses and fails. She should dismiss him as hand. If she survives the battle.

Thanks for your efforts. Yes, I see the shortcomings, but some issues are overrated.

No, they didn't. It was going int his direction for years, only some hardcore fanboys of Daenerys didn't want to see it. It has been discussed here since years. Right, weird, but a possible Daenerys reaction. She wants to be queen at any price. Vary is a turn-coat and has been so before. Tyrion is still on her side. Both had had to talk her out off mad reactions full of fury, rage and brutality already in Meeren.

Yes, shooting down the dragon was lame and unbelievable. Hm, we will see what he really wants to do. Having sex with Brienne was absolutely fore-shadowed and not unexpected. That is in-character. I don't see that point at all. Daenerys had flashes of rage and ruthlessness since season 1. Everyone should have understood that she is on the verge to become a mad queen. Tyrion and Varys needed again and again to talk her out of gross brutality. Yeah. Well, to be honest, I haven't noticed it. But yes, that's iconic.