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  1. MrJay

    Why do people hate Sansa?

    Agreed. This may as well be renamed why do you love Sansa and agree with a erything she has ever done? The amount of hand waving and excusing her early ignorance is astounding. Oh well. At least it's better than trying to be critical of Daeny. At least Sansa supporters don't take personal offense if you claim to not love their girl to the point of tattooing her name in your forehead. +1 for that. This needs repeating Not liking a character does not mean that they should not exist. Hardly anyone likes Joffrey, but who in the right mind would say that he should be deleted from the story? I don't like the old Sansa, but I get it. Not every Stark child is a super smart badass fighter. That isn't remotely realistic, and yes, her upbringing and her actions make sense. That don't mean I have to like her. I don't even like Arya to be honest, and Jon Snow is wearing on me. That's because they are not one dimensional cliche characters that are focus tested to appeal to mass audiences. They are as real as you can get considering they don't really exist. I like to think I am a pretty mellow fellow and I have been called an asshole to my face before. That's how people work. So when I say that I dislike "X" character, that doesn't mean I am suggesting they be removed from the story or killed off (despite me wanting it at times, lol). I am just saying that I would shake the living hell out of book#1 Sansa until her pretty little teeth fell out of her head or she grew have a damn brain. And I'd probably do worse to Ned cause that level of ignorance was just rage inducing. But I understand why he was how he was and his being that way was extremely important to the story. Don't mean I gotta like him or I am just nitpicking for no real reason. It's an opinion. I get that. It may seem like I don't, but I do. That was worth a lot of leeway for me and I totally see why she adored Joff so much and thought everyone was nice and war didn't exist. However, my gripe with her is that it took her sooooooo long to learn. Like, if you were raised to believe that no one lied, it makes sense you trust everyone right? But when someone lies to you, you have a choice. Either acknowledge that it happened and learn from it, or ignore it and continue on like a fool. Sansa did the latter. Without even going that deep into the story, when Joff showed he was a little jerk to Arya and her friend Sansa could have been honest. A lady is supposed to be honest and she should not lie to the king or her father. Not only that, she should have been loyal to family. What did she do? She curled up inside herself and let the lie continue and had her wolf get killed and Arya's friend murdered. Why? Was it because she was a dainty lady? I don't think so. I think it;'s cause she is an extremely weak willed and selfish person who cared more for living out her fairy tale life and would have ignored any and all evidence of reality so long as she got what she wanted. As bad as that was, I forgave her and hand waved it. But then she continues and continues and continues and only wises up when she starts getting abused. Key word there, SHE. I fully believe that so long as she never directly felt the repercussions of her actions (or inaction) she would remain ignorant and in Joff's palm. That's why I disliked her. And yes I get she was a child. However, children are very selfish at times too. If I see a child bullying another or torturing an animal I am not gonna just stand there and claim that little Joffrey is a good little angel and any naysayers are wrong about him.
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    Why do people hate Sansa?

    In the beginning : She would get you killed. She is one of those types. Like friends in horror flicks who open the door for strangers. That's why I hated her. She was so naive and stupid that she would actively get you killed by her just being near you. Look. I don't have to like you. Go be useless and that is fine with me. You can even be kinda dumb. Bit Sansa is so bad, so retarded, so unbelievably God awful that she actively aids the villains despite supposedly being a good or at least neutral character. Now I like her. That goes to show you. She hasn't done squat except be a pawn for others, and it's such a vast improvement over how stupid she was that I love her now. All she has to do is realize she is jacking things up for her family and friends, find a corner, and sit down. That would have been magnitudes greater level of common sense and intelligence than what she had in book 1. And yes, I get it. She was a child. Yet for some reason her other siblings were no where nears that stupid. That means that Ned and Cat either... 1. Purposefully raised Sansa to be a retard while teaching their other kids that life isn't a made up fairy tale (seriously even Bran and Arya got those lessons). 2. Or they did teach Sansa but she was so self centered that she is willing to get her family murdered so she can marry so blonde haired prick and be queen. Anyways. I like her now as I said. But I still don't read her chapters because the hate from before still simmers within me.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    Took me two reads to notice you quoted me. Lol, I'm tired. I should have been clear, and I did notice this when I first wrote it. I just get fired of editing via cell. When I say field of fire 2.0, I mean the half baked way they set it up. I agree that it should and would happen. But the way it happened was the most ham fisted and forced way possible. But I'm fine with disagreement there. It's one of the weaker examples. My big boy examples I bolded. But really. The hound all but said "Clegane bowl confirmed! Get hyped!" (Air horns blare)
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    *Dragons and tits And yeah, they definitely hammed all that up. However, that is all toned WAY down these latest seasons. I think it was mostly for eye candy in attracting views, but now they don't need it. Since these latest seasons are basically from D&D, it's easy to see (or assume) that they probably would never have been that gratuitous had it been up to them.
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    [SPOILERS thru S7] Where did the show go wrong?

    On my cell so this won't be as detailed as I like. Just gonna give the overview of my opinion. D&D are just not as good. I'm not insulting them to insult either. I've had enough if that. What I mean is they are not "authors", for lack of better words. They write, sure, but anyone can do that. Anyone can make a string if scenes with explosions and characters being all super awesome. Kids do that. However, an author does that and has it naked sense within the universe they created. I have listened to their interviews and it's clear they care not for the actual characters or story. What they care about is showing off their favorite actor and doing "fan service". I do not use this word lightly, but this is legitimate fan fiction. What we are seeing now are people thinking, "wouldn't it be cool if..." and then making it so. Its essentially what happens if you have someone watch the show for 4 seasons then tell them to make up what they want to see and then do it. Everything in between is just fluff designed to get to the next cool scene. Not even good fluff. When I watched season 7 (and some parts of the previous) I truly felt like the writers have been looking at our memes and discussions and picking things that people talked about. Davos and "fewer" Gendry and his rowing Jon and Dany hooking up. Aegon and Lyanna secret wedding. LF "trial" Feild of fire 2.0 Commando misson to the north The hound and "you know what's coming" (airhorns) Arya and Brienne fight The list goes on. It's all just spectacle and no substance.
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    Logged in to second this. That guy is easily one of the best actors on the show. It kinda saddens me that people talk of how they hate Joff, but rarely give the guy his dues. He honestly played the part if the charming prince so well that I honestly see why Sansa would love him. I saw a video of him out if context and he legit came off as a sweet guy. Then he shows how messed up Joff is. Spoiled rotten, entitieled, not stupid (surprisingly) and utterly sadistic. Ramsay was bad, but kinda cartoony bad. Like someone who watched the show and wanted to "out villain" Joff. But Joff came off like a real person. Someone who looks prestine in public, but tortures animals and people behind locked doors. And even when he let his evil ways show, he always came off as a spoiled rotten rich kid, which he was. Jack Gleeson is a top notch actor. And that's even more inoressive given his age. (of course the source was just stellar, but he sold it 100% and stood toe to toe with established actors)
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    You can't just drop that in here without further explanation. Explain yourself Aaand emote! Yeah that's the face. Let's get 30 minutes if just closeups of them looking at one another all intense like D&D
  8. Her plans didn't change though. She is just buying more soldiers. The only thing that changes her plans is that meeting when decides to backstab Jon and Co. Jaime tried to tell her they would be stomped even without dragons and she specifically points out that it doesn't matter. So the battle really had no purpose except to be a cool battle. Which is fine I guess. Not every battle in real life results in a decisive change.
  9. Yes and no. There are always issues when adapting works. I think most of us get that. And yes some nitpicks are just that, gripes that are just poking at the inherent flaws apparent in any adaptation. However, the reason you see so many with this show (and this season especially) is because we have seen how good it can be. There were always flaws with the shows logic, but these were minimal and and the rest of the show made up for them easily. Think of it like going from gourmet meals prepared by a renowned chef to eating at Applebee's. I like Applebee's. Nothing wrong with it. But I also didn't get get used to top quality meals. Someone used to such meals is gonna have a lot to say about what some chain restaurant serves. Before it was the odd steak cooked well done vs medium. We overlooked that cause the rest of the meal was good. Now our orders are getting messed up and we are sitting there for nearly a half hour waiting for a refill. So of course people are gonna start finding all the things wrong now. They are unhappy. Unhappy people do that. In my opinion, the biggest flaw of the show is getting people used to top quality content. If they had never done that, followed Martin's writing as best as they could, then only the people who care about flashy lights and cool one liners would be watching, and they would be happy with all that. Unfortunately, a lot of folks who watch for the tight plots and foreshadowing also watch this show. So take all that away and start giving them Michael Bay levels of entertainment and of course they are gonna get upset. When I go watch transformers (when I used to watch it) , I don't nitpick. I know what it's gonna be. Just loosely strung together cliches and the odd sexy girl bending over in between robot fights. Then splash in some slow motion and Walbergs signature fast talk and you got a film. But if transformers reeled me in with espionage, backstory and deep flawed characters, I'd be pretty pissed to see everyone become generic action heros and slow mo explosion dodgers. Maybe it's just me. I could be wrong. I just think that all of these gripes come from a place of feeling led on. So now no quarter is given and every flaw will be pointed out mercilessly.
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    That sounds stupid. But then again, I'm no actor. I just think part of putting on a good show is being able to practice and study what your character is doing and feeling. I wanna say this is untrue, bit seeing as how D&D have completly given up on quality for pure spectacle, I actually see it happening.
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    Season 8 Predictions?

    From our perspective. Yes. From theirs. Not so much. Few have seen the others. And so much bloodshed has already happened cause of funny business with heirs and such. So I say they should be very concerned with who will carry on the Stark names. They plan on surviving so this is a part of it. It's like the question of whether or not your king should be on the front lines. Sure, a war takes precedent over whether he has kids or not, but God's help you of he dies before having a kid. Brans reproduction capabilities is just as important as this upcoming war. Not saying the war is not serious. Just saying that the matter of having an heir is far more serious than seem to understand. It's up there. It's way up there.
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    Season 8 Predictions?

    Allow me to disagree. But understand that it's just symantics. "Fanservice" is dumb. It's the dude walking in on a sexy girl mid shower kind of dumb. Like Sandor walking up to his brother and saying he is coming, or Gendry commenting on his rowing etc. What you want Is an epic display of skill and heroism. That's fine and I support that. It would be a breath of fresh air to see a heroic figure do something that puts people at awe. The issue (as Broseph above said) is whether it's done right. Which I don't think these guys are capable of. It will come off cheesy and groan inducing as well as be done in a way so improbable that it will breed more criticism that will bitter your enjoyment of the scene if heard long enough. I hope you get this, and for the sake of both our sanity I hope it's done well. I don't wanna see Daeny do an upside down one hand grab and launch Jon on her dragon like Legolas on that horse.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    DOTHRAKI ON AN OPEN FIELD NED! Pardon me. Had a Bobby B moment. That's what I meant, so sorry for how I worded it. My point was that Casterly Rock is basically a castle on top of a mountain/cliff. When they described the battle I recall someone saying that they can bunker down and no amount of dragon spit is gonna melt "The Rock". So how did it fall the first time? Did their leaders just decide to face a dragon...on an open field ned!
  14. Real talk. Those kids should be ugly crying with snot and sobs while they just dump all the crap they have been through. Sansa: "Oh my god it was horrible! Joff beat me Arya is probably dead they killed daddy and showed me his head I was almost raped then I was raped so much by Ramsay and aunt Lysa tried to kill me and LF was my only friend and I think he wants to rape me or kill me and I'm so scared and I thought I was alone and mom and Robb is dead and I think I'm the reason dad died and OMG it was so horrible and I'm never leaving home ever again!" Jon: I Died. My god I died! Holy Hells man! I don't even know what I'm doing. I dad said he was gonna tell me about my mom then next thing he's dead, and Robb is a king now and...OMG dead people! I died! What is even happening? Where is Arya and Rickon? And in all honesty. None of them should really want to leave the North ever again. They should be trying every single option they have available (including inviting people to WF) before they set foot below the neck. Considering the last time their family did that everyone almost got waxed.
  15. This. My opinion is he is slightly above average. But only because he was actually trained at a castle. He has never outright bested anyone in show or in books and often has help.
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    sansa, arya, and dany

    Bran was spying on them I bet
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    This makes their level of unpreparedness kinda sad. Joff was right. They should have been doing something about her. The realm basically tore itself apart and bent itself over for another Targs arrival.
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    Casterly Rock Why?

    A couple reasons I beleive. 1. Tyrion secretly helping his family. 2. Losing your "home base" is seen as a serious loss. But what I want to know is how caster ly rock fell to Aegon when they could have turtled like Dorne?
  19. Rude much? And after reading your OP again, I can see why no one is on topic according to you. I don't expect that to change. This thread won't last long.
  20. I doubt it. I know little of Elia, but I doubt that any princess would 1. Step down from being future queen. 2. Jeopardize her children's claim to the throne (and their life) and 3. Allow herself and her family to deal with the shame of being set aside for another. I don't know. Some others have thought up some interesting reasons, but I don't see it as a good idea regardless. The Martells rule Dorne. Let that sink in. No matter what Allies Rhaegar has in Dorne, the Martells rule it. Setting aside a Dornish bride like that would be a huge insult to the ruling family, as well as a sort of nose snubbing to the Dornish people as a whole. Hide in plain site? The only explanation I can think of is that he went to the last place anyone would look. What are we talking about again?
  21. I get it. Fans have gotten very good at rationalizing everything they see. However, The woman literally made a bee line along the road and burned gods knows how many supply wagons. Maybe she didn't burn them all, but by the looks of it she sure was trying. Which is still dumb.
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    The younger, more beautiful queen . . .

    Thanks a bunch. I should have known it would be some kind of big deal. Wonder if anyone has ever been killed for shipping the wrong fictional couple?
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    The younger, more beautiful queen . . .

    Emelia is pretty but I can see how she'd be considered bad by some. Sometimes her head looks a bit too large for her body. And while I like her expressive face, she can look ugly in some pics. My only real issue with her is her dark brows when she wears the wig. Other than that, I find her average. Not ugly, but not double take sexy. I think the only issue here is that people think their vision of beauty is somehow the standard for all. But a question . How come some folks (on less refined sites) get so upset when I say Sansa is pretty and Sophie and Kit would look oretty together? No matter how I word it, people come back to Sansa and Jon shipping and explain why it's dumb. Meanwhile I'm just saying they both look attractive.
  24. I think we are thinking too deep on this warden and king stuff. It's pretty straight forward. Though the show did Jack it up a bit. + Stark = King in the north. The only change was that the king swore to another and stopped calling himself king. Bit the name is unimportant. If he was king then the targs would be emperors and nothing would change. So all the houses that swore fealty are still under stark control. Not the king. Stark. Military and all. They follow the kings law because their lord told them to do so. + But in show that's jacked up. Rather than swear to a stark, they swore to Jon and named him king. That's kinda treason, but Sansa and the gang have no real power to stop it. They swore to a new lord, so in truth the starks Matter little. Sansa may still have some authority, but only if Jon allows it. Because all the lords are sworn to him, not her or house stark. And if they flip on this, their words become trash. And their fealty means nothing. It's a really silly situation. One more thing. Warden is just an honorific. Yeah you technically run the military, but they are not yours. Basically, the king is commanding his vassal to do what the warden says. The vassal being sworn to the king does so, but at no point does the warden actually directly control the men unless the vassal says so.
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    Season 8 Predictions?

    You know how weird it is that this is the first time I am seeing someone point out this is about Drogo coming back from the dead and not Daeny having a baby?
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