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  1. Nobody can expect Highgarden or Casterly Rock to be literally overrun. Under normal conditions there should be enough time for Dany to react on the siege of Highgarden if she wants and for Cersei to react to the siege of CR. Both castles/sieges were just wasted. Especially under the stupid idea of not attacking King's Landing. Just why ? So that more people can starve and die through prolongued warfare ?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Or that 5 of his companions died ? Or that Reed is still alive ? The strange case of Lady Dustin comes to mind. Or why the bones of Lord Dustin were never brought back. Are there no bones left ? How so ? And then the two letters in ADwD. One with the sigil of Lord Dustin, one with Lady Dustin. GRRM want to tell us something concerning Dustin. And so far the case Dustin does not exist in the R+L theory.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Wasn't Dany in an inner monologe about the things she got told. Where she lays out all the amazing locations in the 7 Kingdoms she want to see and the unanswered mysteries of the past ? Like the Isle of Faces or the (untold) woman, her brother (Rheagar) loved and died for ?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I've been puzzling for over half a decade over the three prologues (AGOT prologue, Bran I and Dany I). If anything reassembles a classic prologue, it is Dany I. Dany I may not have Dune level of prologue predictions, but it is the chapter, that predicts the most out of the three chapters. Bran I is a good starting scene, it is however not a prologue. It is more of a character introduction, while Dany I is the prologue. And the AGOT Prologue itself is just puzzling. If anything, it has to be the bigger pricture outside the series.
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    Claimants for Azor Ahai

    Not really. A prince is a dragon in old Valyrian, as Aemon tells us. And AA shall be born amidst salt and smoke to wake dragons out of stone, as Melisandre tells us. The prince who/that is promised will be woken by AA, as I believe. And on top of that we have that entire warrior/AA/Lightbringer bussiness and the Nissa Nissa franchise.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I think we have left the discussion about WW as a Wildling charade to get land south of the Wall.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    The thing is ... if you can't own land within the opinion of the Wildlings, how can they conquer some land like the Gift ? All they can do is say "we do not kneel" and fight against anyone who wants to make them kneel. The entire idea of a preemptive attack against Northerners somehow works against their own belief system. How can they attack someone, if he hasn't done anything yet ? Would't an attack deny them the land ?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    As I said, not when the cold is coming. Nobody has time for counter attack then. Stannis' forces already have problems in the snow. There is no need for political manipulation, when there will be no counter attack. Now this gets in awful weird understandings of the term ownership and law. The Wall is how many millenia old now and the Wildlings still think they own the region south of the Wall ? I guess when the children summon the WW to wipe out all the First Men in Westeros, that will find a lot of understanding within the Wildlings. Seriously, if this is the belief of the Wildlings, maybe they should emigrate to a place not owned by the children. I would understand it, if GRRM wants to show us the emotional illogic in humans, yet I somehow doubt this will be the story we are told. Mance's unknown motives are a reason I can see to support your idea of a huge charade. I just don't understand why the Wildlings would need to fake an ancient enemy to reach goals, they can achieve without faking them.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    So they move ten of thousand of people to convince an order of a thousend men, guarding a passable wall, to prevent a southern counterattack. Sounds a lot like crackpot for me. I can get more or less behind the idea of a beyond the wall unification. And maybe to an extend behind the idea of bringing down the entire 7 kingdoms, just so that they can move through the wall. But I still don't understand why they want to move through the Wall. Even when the long night is coming and it gets cold in the land beyond. Where should the Wildlings find shelter ? At the Wall ? So they fake an ancient enemy to survive a long and dark cold, just so that they can unite the "Beyond" and find shelter at the Wall ? Why not unite the "Beyond" with the truth ? And take the Wall and then be done with it ? The southern Lords will hardly move during the long and cold dark. I'm sceptical to the idea, because the motives and the effort involved do not add up.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Why would the creator of your WW version need a human and animal mass migration ?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    This is indeed interesting, as it shows that most likely the creek running from the Night's Fort to the Milkwater is just a filler. So no thoughts about water sheds and so most likely also no river under the Wall.
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    Does Alliser Thorne know about Jon's true parentage?

    Thorne uses the word "Other" all the way to curse, even before they appear in Castle Black. He tells all the recruits he hopes the Others come back with archers, because that is all the recruits deserve. It is just the way he curses. Down is Thorne speech and it is clear that he hates everyone and insult to his best knowledge, not just fan snowflake Jon. And he is purpuseful written to be hated. He calls Tyrion a fool, the very thing Cersei want Tyrion to be, he calls Jon a traitor's bastard, he calls recruits piggy. And Thorne has no chance of getting elected as LC, because all the past recruits hate him. The very idea that he hates Jon specificly is very amusing to me. It's just his habit. "That will be all," Thorne told them. "I can only stomach so much ineptitude in any one day. If the Others ever come for us, I pray they have archers, because you lot are fit for nothing more than arrow fodder." --- Tyrion Lannister swung off the bench and rose. "Stop it, Thorne You're frightening the boy." "Keep out of matters that don't concern you, Lannister. You have no place here." --- A striding huntsman had been worked in scarlet thread upon the breast of the fat boy's fur-trimmed surcoat. Jon did not recognize the sigil. Ser Alliser Thorne looked over his new charge and said, "It would seem they have run short of poachers and thieves down south. Now they send us pigs to man the Wall. Is fur and velvet your notion of armor, my Lord of Ham?" --- "Let us hope you are not as inept as you look," Ser Alliser said. "Halder, see what Ser Piggy can do." --- Thorne knew better than to challenge a knight of the Kingsguard. "You are a fool, Imp," he shouted at Tyrion's back. --- "That's only Ser Alliser," said Sam. "Everyone knows the sort of man he is." With his noble birth, his knighthood, and his long years in the Watch, Ser Alliser Thorne might have been a strong challenger for the Lord Commander's title, but almost all the men he'd trained during his years as master-at-arms despised him. His name had been offered, of course, but after running a weak sixth on the first day and actually losing votes on the second, Thorne had withdrawn to support Lord Janos Slynt.
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    Does Alliser Thorne know about Jon's true parentage?

    So R+L=J is book canon now ? There is a nice quote from aGoT, where Jon thinks, that Thorne hates the other recruits more than him. This may change later, still, I do not understand how that makes Thorne a Jon hater. The books aren't black and white I assume, and Thorne's feeling are prob. also more complex.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I would outright reject version 1 and also version 2 has it's problems. Both have the Craster problem. Craster has been sacrificing newborn boys to the white gods according to Gilly. And of late they come more often according to Nella, who had 6 boys. Unless of course we have two different "tribes" of Others, the elapsed time is more than one or two years and may even go into Westeros summer, which may be a regular winter north of the Wall. (else there would be up to 9 year old boys at Craster's). Craster even marries all his daughters in summer, which may also hint to regular winters north of Wall. What I imagine with all of this are regular winter visits from "Craster's boys" for at least a decade, more likely for one or two generations. I wouldn't call this suddenly and I wouldn't call the Watch very observative, as Craster definitly counts to the "friends" the Watch has north of the Wall. So in my imagination the younger generation of rangers is not very observative and the old generation around Bloodraven and Aemon hid something or at least did not tell everything there is. To sum it up, the Watch, in my imagination, is more concerned with protecting the Wall and southern politics than with scouting north of the Wall. Which is btw. not the main duty of the rangers. The ranger's duty is to defend and protect the Wall. This is all very inconsistent from the very beginning: an understuffed military order harasses raiders far into the north through unfriendly territory during cold weather with their last friend days away at Craster's. I imagine GRRM considers beyond the wall a very sparsely populated area which makes Mance's army the more impressive.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I want to believe, but I do not know what I want to believe in. It would make a lot more sense for the show director and producer to rely on the end of the book show. And drop known names everywhere. My worst fear is a bunch of Andals, Lannisters and Tyrells running around in features they only have millennia later.
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    Does Alliser Thorne know about Jon's true parentage?

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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I was very sure about the shadow comparison until I really thought about the next step yesterday. In my opinion it would not be the search for a motive, but rather the search for more knowledge through easy answerable questions first. And that brought me to LC 13, the Night's King, and his pale woman. Many have speculated she is an Other. My question would be, what Lady 13 is or was, when she really was an Other (within the shadow context).
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    lightbringer is not necessary

    "No dragon," Irri said. "Brave men kill them, for dragon terrible evil beasts. It is known." "It is known," agreed Jhiqui. See, I can also bring up selective book reading to declare Drogon evil and thus not lightbringer.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    We have discussed the speed and the motivation of the raiders before and as mentioned then ... 10 miles is really slow, especially for experienced travellers. And the motivation still remains uncertain, they surely wanted to go somewhere north west, as they escaped through Craster's. But if they wanted to reach a certain point near the shivering sea or something else, we do not know. As to their knowledge about the Popsicles: much depends on their association with team Rayder or the Thenns. If it is true that the Thenns couldn't stop them and the raiders knew about this ...
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    The three-eyed crow is future Bran

    I have not thought about the consequences, sometimes I just take the words, GRRM puts in the mouth of his characters, literally. I have also no clue why Devan Seaworth from my signature should be AA, it is just my very literal interpretation of the events. Whom he represents ... I don't know.
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    The three-eyed crow is future Bran

    I don't know if it is worth a thought, but Bran's monster and the way the crow helps Bran in his dreams may suggest the crow is someone closer, much closer: summer.
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    The three-eyed crow is future Bran

    Quaithe is Bran's monster ? wtf ?
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I feel we should clarify a few things, when we talk about the NW's knowledge: 1. Who belongs to the NW ? First JNR, as far as I understand it, means the command of the NW, when he talks about them (as a whole). But that is not all there is to it. Do the following people count ? 1.1 Gared after his encounter. We do not know how he passed the Wall and whom he met. We also do not know what he was doing near Winterfell or if it was an accident. Or if he has always been stationed at Castle Black. Obviously it would be silly to count him as knowledgeable, as the question was more about the general knowledge of the NW. 1.2 Coldhands. Does he count as NW ? Obviously not, but still, if he was NW at some point maybe 8k years are too long. 1.3 Same for Bloodraven. If BR has aquired knowledge about the Others during his time as LC, we can hardly argue the NW didn't know about them for 8k years. 1.4 The Starks Kings/Lords in Winterfell and their direwolves. This is indeed a very thin line, but if we believe the direwolf to be connected to the Others or the history to be changed, we have to argue in the timeline of centuries, not millenia. 2. We have to discuss how experienced the command of the NW really is. 2.1 Maester Aemon and Mallister are out of the question. 2.2 Cotter Pyke's service years are unknown 2.3 LC Mormont has joined the Watch a (short) time before Robert's Rebellion, maybe he has 20 years experience in the Watch and prob. not much field experience. 2.4 Benjen is even more inexperienced, he joined the Watch after Robert's Rebellion and must have aquired the rank of First Ranger very early, if he should have experience as a First Ranger. Else he has not been First Ranger for very long. 2.5 The same for Thorne. He joined after RR. Although Thorne is not exactly "command", he seems to have adopted to northern customs very fast and uses the Others to mock or curse on a regular basis. This is more interesting as he comes from the crownlands and we rarely read that word south of the Neck. 3. In all the time since RR, we had at least 9 years of straight summer , so all commanders who have been in command for less than 9 years, have no experience during winter. This is particular important when it comes to Benjen and Mormont. I feel this somehow tells us that Benjen most likely never had command during winter. Do they know something ? I feel the current command lacks some winter field experience. Also Gared shows that there is no raising in rank, he even has to follow the command of a green recruit. So unless a ranger like Gared directly tells Mormont, there is something out there (and Mormont believes the old ranger), there is no way Mormont could know. So while I agree that Mormont is blank on the issue of WW, I don't think that can be said for 8k years or even for all low rank members of the very feudal Watch. Whether Starks or other northern Lords know something, at some point there certainly was some knowledge, as Old Nan tells us with her stories.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Winter comes when summer dies. That said, I do not believe Bran is or becomes a Night's King. Nor a Nightking. Nor a frustrated boy in his ice castle. He is far too curious about the world.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    One of the other boys sniggered. Jon knew better than to reply. He had beaten everyone that Ser Alliser had sent against him, yet it gained him nothing. The master-at-arms served up only derision. Thorne hated him, Jon had decided; of course, he hated the other boys even worse. "That will be all," Thorne told them. "I can only stomach so much ineptitude in any one day. If the Others ever come for us, I pray they have archers, because you lot are fit for nothing more than arrow fodder." Jon followed the rest back to the armory, walking alone. He often walked alone here. There were almost twenty in the group he trained with, yet not one he could call a friend. Most were two or three years his senior, yet not one was half the fighter Robb had been at fourteen. Dareon was quick but afraid of being hit. Pyp used his sword like a dagger, Jeren was weak as a girl, Grenn slow and clumsy. Halder's blows were brutally hard but he ran right into your attacks. The more time he spent with them, the more Jon despised them. aGoT - Jon III
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