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  1. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    We had a discussion over this over at heresy and Cat points out that Arryn needed an heir. Although he had an heir, the son of the heir that fell at Bells.
  2. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    We will never get to an agreement over this. This is like 2 trains racing at each other. You have the backwards train, trying to explain why 3 KG are at the ToJ. You have no seats for Aegon or Rhaenys and interpret the command given before the Trident in a "meta" way, because Aegon was still around and Lyanna could have been transported to a safer place in the Reach. Your train is going straight for baby king station, there is no Aegon station. There the 3 KG leave the train. I ride the forward train, where bastards have no seats and Gendry has no protection from 3 KG, just because he is the oldest of Robert's bastards. My seats are for the likes of Stannis, Renly and Edric Storm. In this case Rhaegar, Viserys, Aegon, Rheanys, Rhaella. If baby king wants to join my train, he has to use another station. I have no clue why there are 3 KG at the ToJ, I just know that they exited my train at another station.
  3. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    This is all "mark of the beast" I could find and for me it reads like skinchanging a direwolf. Also the mark of the beast seems to be some Dance idea , it is not used before in any reference. The last one is the only one not directly referring to a direwolf. However it is unclear what Slynt speaks about. The source is two times Slynt and one time Frey. Hardly anyone I would use as hard evidence. The enormity of the lie made Davos gasp. "Is it your claim that Robb Stark killed Wendel Manderly?" he asked the Frey. "And many more. Mine own son Tytos was amongst them, and my daughter's husband. When Stark changed into a wolf, his northmen did the same. The mark of the beast was on them all. Wargs birth other wargs with a bite, it is well-known. It was all my brothers and I could do to put them down before they slew us all." The man was smirking as he told the tale. Davos wanted to peel his lips off with a knife. "Ser, may I have your name?" (Dance-Davos III) ----- Dolorous Edd took hold of Slynt by one arm, Iron Emmett by the other. Together they hauled him from the bench. "No," Lord Janos protested, flecks of porridge spraying from his lips. "No, unhand me. He's just a boy, a bastard. His father was a traitor. The mark of the beast is on him, that wolf of his … Let go of me! You will rue the day you laid hands on Janos Slynt. I have friends in King's Landing. I warn you—" He was still protesting as they half-marched, half-dragged him up the steps. (Dance-Jon III) ----- "Lord Janos," Jon said, "I will give you one last chance. Put down that spoon and get to the stables. I have had your horse saddled and bridled. It is a long, hard road to Greyguard." "Then you had best be on your way, boy." Slynt laughed, dribbling porridge down his chest. "Greyguard's a good place for the likes of you, I'm thinking. Well away from decent godly folk. The mark of the beast is on you, bastard." (Dance-Jon II)
  4. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    I mean his children literally swear an oath by ice and fire.
  5. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    Because I don't understand the situation. Like at all. I guess it gets too complicated with all the bouncing between a valid claim for baby king, the persons who can make baby king valid (legitimate) and the rest of his mother's family and his father`s family. It's like he has to be baby king surpassing Aerys wish for Viserys to be the heir while at the same time having Aerys (as head of the family and as king) legitimation for Rhaegar to even marry a second time. It's totally fucked up and reads more like a hack lawyer attempt. And that is even before someone has to appoint a guardian for baby king. The only way is for Lyanna to declare herself regent (in another state of war against her family) and then pass that to the KG. At this point Queen Rhaella at dragonstone has the royal fleet, the ancestral home and a king, while baby king has 3 soldiers with no ties to the family under the theoretical command of Aerys who commanded Viserys to be the heir. Hurray. It's fucked up beyond all repair and the only way out of this is hack law logic where Aerys cannot change the heir while the KG can change the chain of command. That or a rebellion among the KG.
  6. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I don't think so. Just like with Dragonstone, I believe the source were the vulcanoes.
  7. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    It would be interesting to know if native High Valyrian speaker Daenerys would hear something else in the same vision. We had the translation discussion before. In a thought experiment, would Dany hear and see prince or dragon when it comes to visions ? Let's talk about the prince in the black armor. Is it the same experience for a Valyrian as for a Commoner or an Old Tonguer ?
  8. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    At least in my mind the Black Gate is a living being and can have new experiences, e.g. pick up Andal spoken in the Nightfort. Dany's vision in the House of the Undying is another matter. Do we know for sure it is in Common and not in Valyrian ?
  9. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    A lot of things in Martin's world are very static with unrealistic long time periods. At least for me it is unclear if this is part of the theme or not.
  10. SirArthur

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    GRRM thinks of himself as not being very gifted with languages (https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1250/) Tolkien was a philologist, and an Oxford don, and could spend decades laboriously inventing Elvish in all its detail. I, alas, am only a hardworking SF and fantasy novel, and I don't have his gift for languages. That is to say, I have not actually created a Valyrian language. The best I could do was try to sketch in each of the chief tongues of my imaginary world in broad strokes, and give them each their characteristic sounds and spellings. My assumption would be that everything in Essos uses some form of Valyrian unless stated otherways. And I highly doubt Daenerys would understand every Valyrian dialect or slang. And not be able to speak any of them.
  11. For claiming just to be about RLJ, the idea has certainly grown into a complex stack of ideas and theories. So, which version ? The rape version or something a little bit more complex ? The checklist version, where Rhaegar has to love Lyanna ? That is kind of relevant when we want to look into the relationship between Rhaegar and Lyanna. Because for me, the R+L=J version certainly ends at the tower of joy idea. Nobody so far can puzzle that scene together and I have not seen one post fully explaining the tower of joy.
  12. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    You are right. Rhaegar was to busy training his army. We don't need WB for this. The reason why I am so picky is that Dany was born in the summer of 284 and Bells was very early 283. The wiki calculation has (from my head) 6-9 month between Bells and Trident. Which is far too long for that preperation in my mind.
  13. The NW has onions, Wildlings have onions, Coldhands hunts NW ... so
  14. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    As far as I understand the timeline, Chelsted burned, Rhaella was raped and Rossart made Hand within the same day or in a very short period of time. So the wildfire plan was put into motion after the defeat at the Trident. Which makes also sense, as Rhaegar was confident to win. So burning the city and Lewyn's army taking KL is almost exclusive to each other. It is still possible that your coup idea happened, as Aerys was starting preperations after the defeat. But it makes no sense that Elia is hostage.
  15. SirArthur

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    Even if Rhaegar dies and baby king is legit, the rule for the king as king regent defaults either to Aerys or Elia. Someone has to accept their vows. And soon after that Aerys and Elia die, defaulting the queen regency to Rhaella. There is no way around Queen (regent) Rhaella in the popular ToJ scenario. In the best case scenario they are under no command, because going to Dragonstone counts as fleeing for some reason. To act on Jon's behalf, they need a legit child guardian.
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