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  1. SirArthur

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    The could have been look is exactly the problem with Jon. As JNR has mentioned elsewhere, a concealment of Jon in the north would have required knowledge how he looks like, when he gets older. The cover up story of Jon is not there to hide specific spottable features. In that case Essos would be a better place. Or at least Ned is an idiot or a very lucky man, if Jon turned out to look exactly like he wanted him to look.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    regarding 1: I can see how Ashara wet nurses Aegon, Elia's son. And instead of retreating to Dragonstone, Elia decides to flee for Dorne. In that case Elia's Aegon is out there and it is not (f)Aegon. regarding 2: I regard Harrenhal less as a rumor and more as a Selmy observation. Anyway, I wanted to point out that we have two different dates the rumors relate to. regarding 3: That is true. But where did he find Ashara ? At the ToJ, where only two rode away ?
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    1. I would have expected a lady in waiting to stay with Elia and then escape KL with the Queen. At least within the wet nurse idea to use the relationship as an explanation. 2. there are actually 2 Ned-Ashara rumors going around: the one about Harrenhal and the one about Jon. And Ned's aggressive denial at least suggests that Ashara is somehow involved. We also do not know much about the relationship between Lyanna and Ned. Why do we assume it was good ? 3. There may be more than one reason to travel to Starfall. Somehow backtracking Ned's story makes it easier, as we know he went from the ToJ to Starfall. But it also raises the question how Ned would know that th Daynes are not hostile. Even a love affair would not lead to that conclusion.
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    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Can we please, please, please stop using the show for everything ? 3. and 4. are clearly show only. I know that 4 is a direct quote from the book, but it is also only a wrong idea, as the testament is not revealed.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    I had these thoughts before. But the first child always raises too many questions.
  6. SirArthur

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    From a time prespective there is really not much going for it, but also not much against it. The Jon at the ToJ idea is pretty weak (as only Ned and Howland rode away), so Lyanna could have been anywhere. Only when we accept Lyanna's meeting with Rhaegar as a kidnapping, the chances fade away. Umh. I guess there are high cliffs and the sea near Starfall. The only interesting thing I can come up with is their proximity to most Gardener Houses.
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    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    The problem with R+L is not cliché. So far every theory has problems and needs a proper explanation in further chapters. A bigger problem will be the indications for the already written text and the connection of Jon's parents to the rest of the story. Take R+L, it makes Cersei and her adore for Rhaegar and her hate for Jon pretty slapstick at times. And given that parent detection was a rather important theme in the first book, it even changes the tone of the books.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Jon is, in general, not a good explanation. As the KG points out: they are there to protect the royal family, not the king alone. And the last three KG as a protection for the king is not really a coherent picture, when there is royal family left somewhere else: they should split in the scenario of king Jon. Unless they have direct orders to do different. But there is none left to give that order. Especially to Hightower. Rhaegar certainly has no command over the Lord Commander. Even less when he is on king's order. The better scenario for the KG is actually Rhaegar as the dragon (with the three (baby) heads)*, who should be woken from stone at the ToJ. It makes sense for a Dayne to be there, as the prophecy is not fully understood and Lightbringer shares features with Dawn. And if I interpret it correctly, the prophecy was fullfilled at the ToJ, amidst "salt and smoke". It would fit so much better for a lot of characters, even Melisandre, the searcher of AA. And Jon as a golem would also fit much better to his "smoking" when he is killed, to the story about dragons as golems and to all the golem figures at some towers. Golem Jon binds the story much better together than baby king R+L=Jon. Bonus point for Jon as King Rhaegar. *like in Maggy's prophecy about the number of children** for Robert and Cersei ** and it comes to my mind, that this is actually the life force a shadow baby is drawing from the body: Stannis literally lost a (male) heir to kill Renly
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    I do not really think that matters. Some minor family with the traits could have also married into Dayne. That was my point about Essos. In Westerosy terms that could be a Velaryon, a Celtigar, even a Martell before they lost the trait.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    known houses with Targaryen traits: Velaryon, Hightower, Dayne, Celtigar (?) known houses a Targaryen princess married into: Velaryon, Martell, Hightower, Penrose, Plumm, Baratheon Martell, Hightower, Penrose, Plumm shouldn't have Targ bloodline when they married a princess. However, I find it far more likely that Dayne intermarried with Essos and got their look from there. Especially Tyros and Lys are good guesses for certain trait sources in southern houses.
  11. SirArthur

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    It all comes down to the question how much of Dany I is bait and how much is preview. like the Isle of Faces or Rhaegar dying for the woman he loved.
  12. SirArthur

    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    Listen, I will make it even more clear: 1. Battle of the Bells 2. Connington is replaced as Hand 3. Aerys send Hightower to find Rhaegar 4. Rhaegar returns with an army 5. Rhaegar dies 6. King's landing 7. Storm's End 8. Tower of Joy You are talking about 8. , I am talking about 4.
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    Heresy 210 and the Babes in the Wood

    I actually really want to know why Gerold Hightower was at the tower and not accompanying Rhaegar back to Aerys. And I don't see any inversion in Darkstar or any insury answering that question.
  14. SirArthur

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    But it wasn't Darkstar and now I am 100% confused what Gerold should mirror.
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    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Now here is a question: Why did Gerold Hightower stay at the Tower of Joy after he found Rhaegar ? Or didn't he find Rhaegar but located Whent and Dayne later ? Is there a parallel between LC Gerold and LC Jaime, where they both cannot attend their duties because they are prisoners or otherwise occupied ? R+L certainly cannot explain why Hightower didn't return to Aerys.
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