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  1. SirArthur

    Will Jon be Dany's heir

    The details are completely lost on you. Her claims to the Iron throne (which I am talking about, your are talking about "the power of dragons, REEEEEEEEEEEE" )was never about dragons. You can see that in the first book when Robert I wanted to kill her, even without dragons. So can she inherit whatever she wants to whomever she wants ? Sure, as long as there are no other rules. And the Iron Throne has rules. That is the general problem in these discussions. Are we talking about a legal claim to the Iron Throne or the power of bashing in the heads of her enemies ? And she certainly can use "the power of dragons, REEEEEEEEE", but that would most likely end her dynasty, as Aegon has a far superior claim.
  2. SirArthur

    Will Jon be Dany's heir

    That is the big price question of the entire series. Can a ruler do it or not ? Viserys certainly got named over Aegon, so it would make sense from her "claim" perspective. But with the council of 101 her claim is also very dodgy, although Robert I thought she had a claim. So in the end Daenerys entire existence requires her to follow an absolutistique approach to uphold her claim. So yes, it would make sense for her to do it. In a more law oriented world, she certainly would have more problems to even become Queen.
  3. Of the 4 known book ways, we can more or less rule out bypassing Eastwatch by the sea with small boats. Most people say Black Gate, because it is the exotic solution. The two other solutions include going through the Gorge and climbing the Wall. We have reports in the books from empty villages and sightings of Others "moving" along the Milkwater south. And we have activity around the Gorge area and other reports from Rangers of wildling activity in the Gorge. Most people don't accept this as a possibility, as it is very evidence based and there is no book chapter of any POV climbing through the Gorge. Climbing the Wall is the last solution and the only common way known to show only watchers. So I don't know, I guess the show would either go for the Black Gate or the Wall climbing for the sake of simplicity. Of course there is always the possibility for a fithy way, like bypassing the Gorge with a ship, as our solutions for bypassing the Wall are explicitly the solutions known and mentioned by the NW.
  4. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Clearly J.R.R. Tolkien's fault for not handling his brand.
  5. SirArthur

    Poll: Did Summer See a Dragon?

    Unless there is a second entrance, no arguable healthy grown dragon would fit through the door to the crypts.
  6. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    I agree. It is a nice hat trick for a later antagonist. But I still feel, that the council of 101 is a mistake in the source material. Not only was the harsh law not necessary, it is also subsequently ignored in the story by everyone close to the Iron Throne (Viserys when he makes Dany heir, Robert when he wants to kill Dany because of her claim, Stannis with Shireen although she would only be valid for Dragonstone) . And on top of that a council is one fan favoured proposed solution to the throne crisis. And the flat out ignorance of a council doesn't help bringing a solution to a throne crisis via council. It's like GRRM wanted a touch of vague and painted the entire world anarchic, even the solutions to the vagueness. And this certainly does not help any future queen in the North. She will have to rule with an iron fist. And it makes me sad, that Aragorn's tax policy statement of GRRM was about suppression.
  7. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    That is GRRM's impression, but that is not often the case. And where it is the case, older laws are not simply overwritten. The Salic Law (quoted by GRRM) and the French succession of 1316 show this. Neither Navarra nor female inheritance within France was the problem. And none of the cases are total blood feuds in the way GRRM paints them. There is simply a difference between GRRM's impression of his writing style and the reality. And the council of 101 together with Tywin's opinion of inheritance and its subsequent ignorance by Robert (who wants to kill Dany because of her claims) and Stannis shows this. GRRM operates under the impression of primogeniture (male before female), while he himself has created an Iron Throne under super agnatic (male lline before female line) succession. And on top of that he implements a "they were vague" policy.
  8. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Which is complete bullshit on Arianne's part. She can argue that the Iron Throne is a personal union of kingdoms instead of an entity and that the personal union with Dorne ends. But that doesn't make Myrcella Queen of any other kingdom in the union. For everything else, she has to understand the rules under which the title inherits. Which are clear when it comes to Myrcella and the council of 101. It's not even a Renly situation. Renly has a claim. Myrcella has no claim. It's just made up by Arianne. I assumed she would go for the personal union, as that at least makes some sense. edit: another argument for Arianne could be, that the inheritance rules have changed because the house on the Iron Throne has changed. But that is not something she can decide alone and also very dodgy, as long as GRRM does not clarify the different inheritance systems and house systems. In the end GRRM just plays the good old english game of ignoring the rules, that made medieval england what it was, while most other countries had a far more stable set of inheritance rules. But if we ignore the rules, there is no point of crowning Myrcella, Arianne could have crowned herself, as she is also a Targaryen dsecendant. That is what I mean. Crowning Myrcella makes no sense unless it is the intention to divide house Lannister. edit2: And Dany is prob. the best case for ignoring the rules, as she claims "ownership" based on a set of rules, that give her no "ownership". And funny enough Robert did bite. Which is something I still do not understand. Killing Viserys makes sense, killing Dany not so much when she has no dragons. And I give the situation the doubt, as Robert rants about Dany and the claim of her children to the throne. Which again makes no sense under the (small) set of rules we have for inheritance. So error in the semi canon sources with the council of 101 ? I don't know any more.
  9. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Crowning Myrcella is in effect a declaration of independence from Doran. The only difference is, that house Martell has an easier time getting out of the impending war. And once the seven kingdoms have sorted their problems out, any new ruler of the Iron Throne will claim Dorne, because it gives him legitimacy. Crowning Myrcella is a gamble on the idea that the Iron Throne ceases to exist. And a free casus belli for any de jure successor of Tommen, if he sits the Iron Throne or only rules the Stormlands. And then there is no reason to crown Myrcella instead of Arianne. The entire idea is based on the thought, that inheritance rule changes depending on the crowning region - which is absurd. So for Doran it would be easier to just formally declare independence. Or sit it out and be de facto independant as in the last decade. The real strategy for house Martell is keeping the status quo and not get involved in any wars.
  10. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    I don't understand what power by force has to do with anything. As I said, everyone can set himself a golden crown on top of his head. Just requires a crown for it. Does not even need some land or a title attached to it. I'm sure Myrcella can become Queen of the Rhoynar, the Andals and the First men. Just not the seven kingdoms. You know, inheritance rules are, what keeps the medieval society together.
  11. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    I don't see Myrcella or Cersei going anywhere crowned, because it would Tywin look like a bad adviser, when it comes to woman's inheritage rules to the throne of the seven kingdoms. They would need another crown.
  12. Why ? Do we really have to read about all the boredom of mustering a host to reach Westeros ? We were fine so far without a Robert, Tywin or Stannis POV. Administrator commander Dany is not really needed.
  13. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Is the wheel of time discussion still on ? Because I think, although I do not believe in the idea, that Maggy's prophecy to Cersei is such a moment. We all know it, anyway the quote: Anger flashed across the child's face. "If she tries I will have my brother kill her." Even then she would not stop, willful child as she was. She still had one more question due her, one more glimpse into her life to come. "Will the king and I have children?" she asked. "Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you." That made no sense to Cersei. Her thumb was throbbing where she'd cut it, and her blood was dripping on the carpet. How could that be? she wanted to ask, but she was done with her questions. The old woman was not done with her, however. "Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds," she said. "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." What do I mean ? This is a glimpse in a possible future and in this future Robert has 16 and Cersei 3. So far so standard. (Although the dripping blood is a commonly overlooked part of the scene). The real question (which most people answer with "Cersei's") is, whos crowns and shrouds shall be gold(en). So first we get a cryptic answer with a clear distinction between Cersei and Robert and then asap most people assume it must be Cersei`s children this time. However that was not the question. The question was, if the king and Cersei will have children. So the answer is either Robert's and Cersei's children all together or ... and this is the fun part ... the possible children between Robert and Cersei in this "life to come". Which are none. But this could be a glimpse in another future. So Cersei will not cry because of the golden shrouds of Tommen and Myrcella, Cersei will have a vision like Dany had. A vision of the children she could have had with Robert.
  14. SirArthur

    Heresy 213 Death aint what it used to be

    Obviously the Wall and the Watch was before Danny Flint.
  15. SirArthur

    Joffrey Was Justified in Beheading Ned Stark.

    Joff wasn't an adult, so his order was technical high treason against the throne, represented by Cersei, too. That is the entire problem with the story and Joff's POV. If you take away a lolly from a three year old, the three year old would also cry. And we can understand the little kid and why he is crying. But the legal system works different, even if the three year old thinks it is high treason now.
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