David Selig

I liked this episode quite a bit. A lot of good stuff. Really well shot too, visually the most impressive episode in a while. NCW is an amazing Jaime. The Northern plotline is quite stupid though. I don't care that they made changes from the books (this was a snoozefest in the books, plus I don't mind well done changes anyway), the problem is that many of these changes are just stupid.The White Walkers stuff was nice though.

Wow, that Tywin lecture to Tommen was just embarrassing. he was speaking to him as if Tommen is 7 year old or just retarded. Terrible infodumping too, this show is subtle as a sledgehammer way too often. St. Tyrion strikes again. That scene with Pod...just give him the halo already. Sheesh...

Talk about damning with faint praise. ;)

Huh? Tywin said the same line in the books.

Theon destroyed Rodrik's 200 Northerners with 20 Ironborn, so 50 Ironborn could take Dreadfort if the show is consistent.

Because Tyrion is so awesome just being near him and risking her life every day is better for Shae than living a rich life elsewhere, duh... The fanboyism of the showrunners for Tyrion has reached really embarrassing levels.

That was pretty bad. The first Sansa scene was atrocious, Stannis has been turned into a one-dimensional Mel puppet, some of Davos's lines were really bad, Kit Harrington's acting was terrible even by his own standards. No real reunion scene between Jaime and Cersei. The last scene was terrible in every aspect. But the worst was Shae literally throwing away a fortune so she could stay near the super awesome perfect man Tyrion and risk her life every day. WTF?

Dude, you seem to have some serious mommy issues.

That's certainly an interpretation of Rovv's decision process in regards Jeyne I havent seen before... Interesting idea, but I really don't see Robb as not wanting to fight anymore at this point. Remember, this is before Blackwater, before Duskendale, before the Karstark desertion, etc, when the chances of the Starks still looked pretty decent, even with Winterfell lost. Even after all those setbacks happened Robb still didn't even want to consider the possibility of bending the knee and got really angry when Cat proposed it. I do think that when he said he married for honor he was lying (mostly to himself) and it was a justification for marrying the girl he felt in love with. Ultimately the marriage not much of a problem for me, really. It's not completely impossible, just very unlikely the way I see the characters. Robb just seems too dutiful for this, even at 16.

Ned was far too responsible to throw away an army in the middle of the war and far too honorable to break a vow and a seripis deal he'd already made. He wouldn't have married Jeyne if he was in Robb's place, I am sure of this.

I think you are wrong. Look at the the archives of the board, there are a lot of posts and threads with complaints how contrived and implausible this is. I wrote some of them. ;) The falling in love is plausible, it's the marriage itself which is extremely contrived IMO. As for buying the Red Wedding, I don't see what's the problem. It doesn't hurt its emotional intensity and impact one bit for me.

They were aged up 3 years, Sansa was aged up 2 years. So no big deal at all.

Jon and Robb were 17 in the first season of the show.

I don't get the big deal with Sansa's age. Far bigger discrepancies between the actor's age and the character's age happen in TV land all the time. So she looks 17 and is supposed to be 14, big deal. We have actors in their late 20s and looking it being cast as teens quite often in other shows. Or in this show too - Richard Madden is way older than 17-18. Why do you think it's supposed to be only a few months? If Sansa was 13 years and 1 month back at the start, and is 14 years and 11 months now, it's full 22 months between the two events. An extreme example obviously, but it could easily be more than a year without contradiction.

Time to bring up this link again - http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/69382-does-anyone-else-find-sansa-to-be-completely-useless/page__st__340#entry3341423 It's the best analysis which parent Arya and Sansa resemble I've read here.

Yeah, Boardwalk Empire has just as much nudity and random sex scenes as GoT, maybe even more. There's a whole bunch of brothel scenes and showgirls or prostitutes who are just there for the boob quota.

IIRC Joff learned it in the second season, from the Stannis letters about the twincest, which he seemed to believe.

Mary Sues are author self-insert wish fulfilment type characters. Who the hell would want to be Sansa, her life is terrible throughout the series.

Very good episode overall. 8/10. Daario is awesome. But Saint Tyrion is really getting tiresome.

I am not shipping anyone, it was just a passing thought I had. That whole dialogue between Margaery and Sansa was just terrible, BTW. Marg is the queen, supposedly still a virgin, she can't talk like that. Her mother taught her, yeah, right - lucky for her Sansa seems to have lost half her IQ points in the last few episodes.

Is it just me who thought Margaery was hitting on Sansa when she mentioned that some women like pretty girls? Let's be honest, the showrunners are certainly not above accepting or suggesting this kind of thing as an excuse for nude lesbian scenes, and Martin invented some out of nowhere in the books... Anyway, pretty poor episode overall. Some dreadful dialogue. Yeah, Robb, going to Volantris and leaving your kingdom without a king for a year would be such a great idea.... :bang: Rose Leslie's acting and presence is great,but the whole "let's make fun at length of everything Jon says" act is really getting tiresome and repetitive. Tyrion the saint is just too much.

Easily the worst episode of the season. Half the scenes consisted of inane dialogue going on for far longer than it should. I honestly thought Martin may be trolling us at times, trying to find the worst most cringe-worthy lines possible. Ygritte not knowing what fainting and swooning means? WTF? Shae's "Let's run away, Tyrion" stuff? Melisandre's "OK, let's stop right next down from the Red Keep to admire the view, it's not like I work for an attained traitor or anything...". Dany's stuff was good, NKW showed great acting as usual, but that's pretty much it on the plus side.

The ending was unintentional comedy gold for me. It looked so much in every respect like the ending of the corniest kind of romantic Hollywood movies it just really made me laugh.

I have mixed feelings. Tywin and Olenna was just so implausible throughout I couldn't enjoy the high quality acting, I was constantly thinking "no way (s)he would say this". Tywin basically blackmailing the Tyrells, his main allies, when the war is still going on, just to get the Sansa marriage, was just really dumb. Olenna insulting Tywin throughout was also pretty stupid. And where is Mace Tyrell? He's the head of the House after all yet Olenna makes all major decisions and he's not even mentioned. Ygritte being so in love with Jon came out of nowhere in the TV series. Kit still can't act. Thankfully Rose Leslie is so good she makes those scenes worth watching. Melisandre's scene was great, the kind of change from the books which makes sense and was well executed. Sam and Gilly was nice. Meera and Osha was pointless. First time I actually liked a LF scene since forever. Except for the death of Ros part, which was just wrong for so many reasons. Sansa saying "Will they let me invite my family?" was the most ridiculous and facepalm worthy moment of the whole series. 7/10, since the rest was good.

Awesome episode. This season has really surpassed my expectations so far. Best acted show on TV currently by some margin. 9/10 (one point off because Kit still can't act and the Karstarks being almost half of Robb's total army makes no sense whatsoever).