Lord Godric

There is no Night King in the books, so of course not.

Judging by the preview there are more people living than the episode would lead us to think, also I'm confident that Yara will have a whole big army to give Dany.

As someone said in another thread, yeah how many medieval battles against zombies do you know didn't have a battlefield commander?!

I can't.

I agree, but to just give into the most basic trope also isn't good writing, it's lazy.

This is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Tropes=good writing?

And people complain about there being too many fantasy tropes in the show. Yes let's have the two painfully obvious plot-armored destined to rule characters do it all themselves.

I know how to read, you can stop quoting the same thing. My point is that GRRM didn't tell D&D that Jon would be the hero who single handedly kills the NK and they just decided to change it on a whim to Arya. There is no NK, and Jon is not going to destroy the Others all on his own.

You're reading into these things what you wanted them to say. You want Jon to be the hero that Martin has planned to save things, so that's what you think they said.

hell if I know LOL

You're ignoring the point that there is no Night King in the books. Therefore no one in the books is going to be the one to kill the Night King.

I think it's a bit silly to suggest that Sansa should be out on a battlefield. Even book Sansa has no value with a sword, her skill is political machinations. Now you can criticize the show for having her seem pathetic while down in the crypts, she could have been keeping their spirits up (throwback to Blackwater) or thinking of a tactical way they could help. But to expect her to actually fight in any physical way is laughable.

As GRRM himself has said, "Prophecies are, you know, a double edge sword." He never makes them as straightforward as they seem, for good reason. He intentionally plays with reader expectations and what readers are accustomed to due to fantasy tropes. If you expect Azor Ahai to save the entire world single handledly, I think Martin will subvert your expectations. "Prophecies come true in unexpected ways" - GRRM

Has no one yet mentioned my new favorite theory, Melisandre is Syrio Forel

I'm surprised people consider prophecies to be things that must happen. We've seen prophecies be completely avoided before, I don't think there is any indication that prophecies MUST come true, just that they are a possibility.

You're interpreting things they said beyond what I think can be read. They said that traditional tropes would lead someone to think Jon should be the one to kill the Night King, not that GRRM told them Jon was going to kill the NK. As I said before there is no Night King in the books. So therefore the question of "who is going to kill the NK" isn't one that GRRM would answer for them.

We don't know that the Great Other is a corporeal being, or if he exists at all. As far as I remember, he's only been mentioned by Melisandre as the antithesis of the Lord of Light, who is also not a corporeal being.

Same. When I saw her walking down into the crypt there was no doubt in my mind that they were going to create a scene to parallel Cersei's behavior during the Blackwater siege. It was really a missed opportunity for Sansa's character with her only saying that they're useless.

They said "they've known it would be Arya for three years" that doesn't necessarily mean they made it up. But, as someone reminded me in another thread, there is no NK in the books.

I don't think we'll have happily ever after, but I think people give GRRM too much credit with "avoiding usual fantasy tropes." Martin, of course, had a few big moments like killing Ned and the Red Wedding, but at its core the series has been a traditional "Rightful King Returns" trope and nothing he's done so far suggests the series won't end with Jon or Dany (although I suspect Jon) sitting on a throne.

I would think that if you hate it and it just makes you angry year after year, you'd save yourself that frustration. Of course people can complain, but if you despise the show and never have a good thing to say, you're just being angry for the sake of it and look like a hipster, hating what everyone else likes.

Why are you still watching? Just to complain about how much you hate it?

He's previously said he wouldn't do this, and I think if he's trying to it's going to be a disservice to his own writing and planning. It'd be absurd for him to change his story just because they already did the story he gave them.

Touche.

Yeah, I understand. Which is why I'm curious if this is something GRRM told them, or not. Three years ago they would have already had this conversation with George because three years ago they released Season 6, which goes beyond the books, and would have had to be in the writing process at least 4 years ago. The timeline they've stated is what I'm curious about.