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The mother could have Targaryen blood from some past Dragonseed. She could be a descendant of Gaemon the Glorious for all we know. Nothing requires a Dragonseed's blood to be from a recent generation, after all. Ulf the White and Hugh Hammer certainly didn't have recent Targaryen blood. Does it? The text implies his return and the six months before his exile were all in 111 (since after he departs, we're told of things that proceeded to happen in 112 AC rather than "that same year"). Then we're told he returned to the Stepstones, so what's the evidence that he was at Driftmark? I'm not saying he couldn't have gone there first, but... there's no evidence of it, is there? Hell, he was exiled from the Seven Kingdoms proper, which includes Driftmark... In any case, we're told Nettles was born in 113 AC. Wouldn't that be a long pregnancy?

Found the quote: So if Hibberd is not misunderstanding and they're saying "three or four additional seasons" -- and I'm pretty sure they've repeated 3-4 elsewhere as a total number -- then George is talking about 4 seasons... or alternatively, he's revealing his opinion that it would take 5 in total, not 4. Maybe? I'm sure he's spent more time thinking about it than I have, but in any case, I definitely think 3 total is too short and 4 seems just right, but could be convinced that 5 might be better.

Sapochnik and Condal have a tenative 4 season plan for the whole show. In fact I think they may have floated three as well? But four seems more certain. Five seasons total, I find that one tougher to wrap my head around.

See the Dance of the Dragons page at the wiki. We'll be at 2.5 at the end of the season, leaving 21 distinct entries. Even if we just assume an extremely straightforward adaptation, with 7 events covered each subsequent season, you'd get something like Season 2 containing Rook's Rest and the Battle of the Gullet, Season 3 getting through the Fishfeed, the Butcher's Ball, First Tumbleton, and the Fall of Dragonstone, and Season 4 taking us through the Battle Above the God's Eye, the Dragonpit, Second Tumbleton, and the deaths of various claimants. They could perhaps do the Hour of the Wolf, but they don't have to -- enough to end with the death of the king and the clear indicator that the succession will go to Aegon. Obviously, they will likely shuffle some things around but it is pretty workable. Season 2 should focus a lot on the maneuverings to win allies plus the finding of the Dragonseeds, IMO. ETA: Of course it's unlikley we're going to get three major battles depicted in a single season, so some stuff will have to occur off screen. Still, _lots_ of action going on and then weave together various things from KL and Dragonstone...

No. In the books, though, the idea of Luke inheriting is a new one when Corlys gets ill. It was never especially examined and was I guess just assumed that Jace would succeed, but when Corlys fell ill Rhaenyra urged Luke instead because Jace would sit the Iron Throne and all.

I feel like Vaemond is latching onto the sort of salic decision that informed the Great Council, not just because it's convenient to him but because it would underscore the claim of Alicent's children ahead of Rhaenyra and her children, which is presumably part of why supporting his bid appealed to the Hightowers. It's true that the girls are not mentioned in F&B as having a claim, but this is no doubt in part because Vaemond doesn't make some formal claim before a court but rather just starts running his mouth on Driftmark, suggesting he's grasping out of personal ambition alone and not for any more complicated reason.

I have seen several people who seem to feel like Rhaenyra and Daemon have cooled their passions, but... on what evidence? Because they aren't ripping one another's clothing off in the episode? He separated a guy's head from his lower jaw for the insult dealt to her, what greater proof of love hath a man?

Yes. Vaemond starts going on about the sons being bastards, and Rhaenyra dispatches Daemon to Driftmark to take his head... and then bring back the body so she can feed them to Syrax. The show definitely makes her uninvolved in this particular violence, but she seems ultimately unbothered by it, as what Vaemond was saying was treason.

Oh, I don't think they are "controlled" by the Greens. Their loyalty is to the dragons. They're presented as something of a cult. The people he's handing it to are dragonkeepers who live and labor on Dragonstone, and certainly are not going to be taking those eggs to King's Landing, or damaging them or whatever, in my mind.

I think Daemon is satisfied with his life at that time. He's on Dragonstone, he has sons, he has dragons, his wife will be queen and he will be her consort. What's your issue with the dragonkeepers? They must be around on Dragonstone to help with dragons and their eggs. It's certainly different from the books, of course.

It's the Targaryen version of being a hands on English country manor lord -- but instead of overseeing and helping with the lambing, they go help collect the new eggs. We thought it pretty fun, and it shows that at present Daemon is fundamentally happy with his life.

To me, I read Alicent not so much misinterpreting honestly... but to some degree hearing what she wants to hear, filtering out every question that his rambling raises like, "He thinks he's talking to Rhaenyra, right?" or "Isn't it wrong to blow up the peace he had just forged, a peace that would protect me, by saying anything about this?" She wants to be right. She wants Rhaenyra to be wrong. She hears what she wants to hear and pushes back any doubts about it.

What'd you think?

What'd you think?

What'd you think?

Book spoilers and episode discussion here.

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Book spoilers and episode discussion here.

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The first time it bugged, I used a tech sniper to kill everyone in the building I was locked out of in hopes that the baddies being dead would open the door. Alas, no. I definitely did some sneaky thing when I properly played the mission, but you definitely worked it out into something very effecient! I never thought of dropping her down, for example. Carrying her was so slow...

Surely you can't be serious. Saera said a whooooooole lot of self-serving bullshit. Because no one wanted to rouse the Dragon. The current Targaryen line are all descended from the Conqueror's eldest born son, so the Faith can certainly just pretend Visenya and Maegor didn't really count and not much reason to make a point of it since it's ancient history.

It couches the way that the Targaryens are different as meaning they are allowed to commit incest, not that they are allowed to have polygamous marriages: There are two anecdotal examples directly after the passage which is entirely about incest. Nothing about polygamy. The argument can be made that the Doctrine of Exceptionalism must mean the Targaryens are exempt from other tenets of the Faith, but it is not inherent to the Doctrine, which (as I said) is solely concerned with Targaryen incest practices.

It concerned itself solely with the practice of incest.