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Maybe not save her, but to give her a less painful death than Dragon fire? I didn’t get the impression that Missendei wants KL to be set on fire. I saw it as a rallying cry (vs. begging for mercy). One last shout out of her loyalty to Dany. Well, Rhaegal was injured, which is why Jon didn’t ride him, but I agree that team Dany tends to do a lousy job of keeping an eye out for danger

I still think Qyburn did that of his own volition because we never hear Cersei talking about it. I thought that Dany was realizing that she is the only one without real friends. Even Missendei is her employee. I think Drogon will die in episode 5 and Dany will have to figure out how to be a queen without dragons. That’s when she will become better at building relationships with Jon and Sansa, among others. I think that Kings Landing has to be attacked by land and sea at the same time, for it to be effective, right? I feel like we learned that from Stannis. I thought something similar! The old gods have shown their abilities via Bran, R’hlor through bringing people back from the dead. I thought it would be a shining moment for the Drowned God, but I thought it in connection with Tyrion. I thought he would drown and then come back up riding Rhaegal. Clearly did not happen, but an undrowned Rhaegal still could! That could be what inspires Euron’a fear in the preview. Missendei’s last moment was nicely done. Just before she said it, I said Dracarys. Perfect last word. In real life , Jon and Dany should have just married and been done with fights over claims by now, but I appreciate the desire of D&D to keep the tension going until 15 minutes before the end of the series, so I will give them a pass. (Last 15 minutes will be used to tie bows on everything.) Same is true for Jaime and his mysterious intentions. He will definitely kill Cersei but I get that they have to keep Arya in the mix. I think it would be hilarious to bring Daario back now that Dany is with Jon. Did Dany get the prophecy with 3 fires, mounts, and treasons in the show? I can’t remember. If so, have we seen them come true? I liked that as soon as he became her equal, Gendry asked Arya to marry him. Glad that Varys finally got some useful lines!

He changed his mind after hearing of the ambush at sea. He knows he’s the one to kill Cersei and will probably die in the process. he doesn’t want Brienne to mourn him

Not really. Jaime didn’t call Tyrion out on his virginity. He merely set up the scene. But your point about irony is still valid.

Yelled “oh dear god” twice at the stupidity of the Brienne/Jaime scene. Goaded into sex by Tyrion? Yuck!

1. Maybe he needed to know in case Sam and Bran died in the battle 3. Bran was just waiting to forgive Jaime to end his redemption arc. Probably Jaime plays a bigger role in final battle and Westeros moving forward and needed to have closure with Bran to do so. I think that the reason so many of the named characters have survived is to do just that. iron islands— Yara North — Sansa westerlands — Tyrion Vale — Robin Riverlands — Edmure stormlands — Gendry (and Arya?) Reach — Brienne and Jaime (they’ve shown a desire to give fans what they want so Jaime + Brienne is definitely happening, though I don’t like that) Dorne — Greyworm and Missandei Last Hearth — Tormund

I was kinda glad that the Dothraki died so quickly. Not a big fan of their culture of attacking people and raping women. However, was hoping to see some wight cavalry attacking Winterfell, which would have been cool. I thought Bran went away to summon the NK... Is he though? Now that the NK is done, does he serve any real purpose? I guess we’ll see. BTW, I wish they’d left Varys in KL to spy on Cersei. He has done nothing useful in the north.

I assume it’s because the outside walls are too thick to punch through but the inside walls are thinner. AA is a R’hllor related prophecy and TPTWP is Targaryen/the Seven. They could be referring to the same person or situation, but told from different religious or cultural narratives. His family being slaughtered was his fault not his punishment. Not a Rhaegar fan!

This might be a source of debate in the next episode of Sansa vs. Dany. Regarding the battle, I am no military tactician but...shouldn’t they have used the trebuchets before the Dothraki rode out? Or shouldn’t they have started with dragons burning all the wights? The dragons didn’t start spewing fire until the wights were mixed with the people so some good guys probably got burned. Also, the moment Dany found out that Jon could ride Rhaegal, shouldn’t she have tried to teach him how to dracarys? Might have made Jon more useful in the battle

I don’t think any of those 4 are dead. We would have seen final shots of their bodies with dramatic music. agree on the Bran disappointment.

I agree with your sentiments. I did not think that Drogon died. I thought he was mourning Jorah and wounded. But I could be wrong. If he did die it would be nice to see Dany lead without the threat of dragons. I liked that Theon and Jorah got proper ends. I liked that Dany finally showed some emotion and it was for Jorah. It’s hard to believe that Arya snuck up on the Night King like that but I can buy that he became arrogant in his victory. I was kinda hoping that Bran would slit his own throat and that would kill the NK and the WWs.

Yes, but maybe that Ned promised to tell Jon about his mother the next time they saw each other...and they never met again. He may not be comfortable with that type of promise. Also, maybe he thought it more honorable that she have full information now, rather than letting her dragons and army save the world and then “stating his claim”.

Love this! Just like what Robb Stark did in season 1

Maybe they didn't feel a need for a Stark scene because they will all survive? I think that Theon, Jorah, and Jaime are all being set up for heroic deaths, so they need to have settled their other biz. Theon showed Sansa, whom he watched being raped during his time as Reek, that he is back to being Theon; Jorah reconnected with his family and gave some final good advice to Dany; Jaime apologized to Bran, knighted Brienne, and had some time with his brother. I actually enjoyed Arya + Gendry (though I was totally not expecting it). It was not overly graphic, but at the same time showed how much she had grown up. Plus, I'm just happy that SOMEONE is having sex with a person who is not a close relative! Now, if only they could give Arya a flattering hairstyle, I would be happy. I was actually worried that Brienne would be the one who wanted to lose her virginity before the war, but the knighthood was a much better scene for her. I think she smiled for the first time in the series! I did wonder if Arya is being set up to die, but I think she might end with a pregnancy. It would be cool if the person who has been so attached to death for so long could end up with a life growing inside of her. It was nice seeing Gilly again! Lots of feels tonight, and her scene with the little girl who wants to fight was touching. Who knew Pod could sing? A man of many talents!

I actually think Olenna gave up her rights to the Tarlys’ loyalty by murdering King Joffrey*, to whom both the Tyrells and Tarlys has bent the knee. Transferring their loyalty to the crown seems like a natural thing to do in those circumstances. *We all hate him, but it was still murder.

NCW doesn’t need lines! IMO, he’s great at conveying emotion without words. But I think you’re right about this being the only episode.

Mostly enjoyable. Loved the Stark reunions but would have liked a Mormont meeting too. I hate that riding dragons was not linked to Targ blood in Dany’s mind. It should have made her suspicious that Jon could do it. Plus, that romantic ride when they are at war was strange but I appreciated the callback to Ygritte and the cave. Was that shape around the Umber boy the same as the shape of the bodies from the very first scene in the series? Liked that they dealt with Yara immediately. I really liked that in spite of everything Sam cared for his father and brother. added: I call BS on Cersei hiring Bronn to kill Jaime and Tyrion. She knows that they are friends. Qyburn is double crossing her

He and Jaime both take a few seconds longer than they should to react, but they both step between Cersei and the wight. Had to slomo watch to see it. Re: awkward Jonerys sex, I realized that one of the things that bothered me was him going to her room. Once Jon bent the knee, going to her room was disrespectful of his queen and presumptuous. If she had gone to him, that would be different.

I really hope so, because setting aside his son with Elia makes my blood boil.

Overall, I enjoyed the episode. The end of Lord Baelish was predictable. But to be honest, I’m not sure if that was just because I am active on this board. I’d be curious to know what others thought. I did not like that he was a little tearful at the end—I felt he should be strong until the end, playing the game. For a moment, I thought that he was faking tears to play on Sansa’s emotions, but I think that he was shown to be really afraid. Also, Ned Stark would have said the (wo)man who passed the sentence should swing the sword. Sansa should have killed him herself/ And they should have done this in episode 5. I’m glad Theon found himself and is going for his sister. I think he’s headed for his heroic death. He paid the iron price for the respect of the crew—and then washed in the waters of the sea. Also glad that there was finally a benefit to him having no genitals—no pain when he’s kneed in the groin. (I wonder if Jaime will eventually see some benefit to not having his right hand!) I just wish that he had mentioned Robb in his convo with Jon. Ned was mentioned a lot in this episode, but Theon was Ned’s hostage. Robb is the one he loved, bent the knee to, and betrayed. BTW, I thought Sansa and Arya should have mentioned Robb, Cat and Rickon in their conversation—in addition to Ned. And now for the KL sequence. · I am totally getting Cersei’s outfit for winter! And I respect the fact that she’s the only one who didn’t get out of her chair at the sight of the dragons. (Boy, can Dany make an entrance!) That’s how a queen behaves! I thought she played the scene well—trying to get Jon out of the way, pretending Euron was a coward (I may be as dumb as Jaime, but I thought he was leaving too), etc. · I enjoyed all the reunions, and I’m glad they didn’t forget that Pod worked for Tyrion first. I was also glad that Jaime/Brienne was a cold reunion—it would be weird if they were back to being buddies so quickly. The Clegane brothers reunion was a little underwhelming due to Gregor being much shorter than the original actor. Mountain? More like a hill! I did feel like Drogo and Dany should have remembered Jaime and Bronn, who tried to kill them, and reacted in some way upon seeing them again. I enjoyed the Brienne/Hound reunion—will the Hound be possible competition for Tormund with regard to Brienne’s attentions? I did not like the look Cersei gave when she caught Brienne looking at Jaime. You better run, girlfriend! Cersei threw the last girl who looked at Jaime into a well! And she was only 10 years old when she did it! · Nice reaction by all to the wight, but since when do we kill wights with dragonglass—isn’t that the White Walkers? I feel like mentioning that the wights are the least of their worries should have happened. · I liked that Jon kept his oath, but I felt like Dany could have released him from it and solved some problems. I laughed out loud when he suggested that maybe trusting the witch who killed Drogo did not make sense. · Cersei and Tyrion back in a room together—yay! IMO these two have more chemistry than any 2 actors on the show. Excellent convo—glad that they didn’t forget about Tywin and the children. · I wonder if Cersei totally played Tyrion or whether he knows she was faking support for the mission? I know I was taken in and cheering when I thought the Lannisters were coming to help. · I thought that the break between Jaime and Cersei was handled very well. It pissed me of in the books that Jaime abandoned the love of his life and the mother of his children out of jealousy. Honor and keeping their pledge makes much more sense. I squealed (a high pitched gasp that could probably be heard by the entire building) when Cersei gave the signal to Gregor (and I noticed that there was a tear in her eye as she did so). So why didn’t he kill Jaime? If it was just a bluff on Cersei’s part, I hope Jaime keeps that in mind when he comes back to kill her. I’m just glad she didn’t yell out that the baby was not his! · I wonder who will lead the Lannister forces without Jaime. Gregor cannot speak…Would love to see Cersei lead them herself, but that’s extremely unrealistic. I did like that she was smart enough to notice that 1 dragon was missing. Smart Show Cersei is great! · I wonder who will lead the Golden Company. If it’s Daario, will he betray Cersei for Dany or will he be pissed that Dany is now with Jon and fight for Cersei? Dany/Jon: Was it just me, or was that sex scene really awkward looking? I think it was because they were trying to make sure there was no frontal nudity, but I think it could have been managed better. Also, I think that sex scene would have been better in the last episode, after the tense battle and emotional “death” of Viserion. And why was Tyrion creeping outside of the bedroom. Did he hope that Dany would fall for him? Or did he broker a deal with Cersei in which he would negotiate for her unborn child to become Dany's heir (since Dany cannot have one)? And was Jon + Dany interfering with that idea? Was that the guy who played Viserys who was Rhaegar? He sure looked like him. Glad that Jon’s parentage was confirmed. It pisses me off that they named the child Aegon, even though Rhaegar already had an Aegon. Yes, baby Aegon was dead by then, but if Rhaegar chose the name, as it’s likely he did, that really sucks! And the wall came tumbling down! That was excellent. Since the NK rode a dragon, does that mean he’s a Targaryen? Was that fire or ice coming out of the dragon?

That was before they installed the EZ Pass lanes. Drain the swamp!

Maybe Jon is not nearly as alive as he would like us to think. He no longer needs to breathe and can survive underwater... Regarding Sansa, I initially thought that LF was suggesting that she use Brienne to protect herself from Arya, but others have suggested that he meant for her to use Brienne to kill Arya (to protect herself). Getting rid of Brienne could be Sansa's way of preventing Brienne from being used to kill Arya...or it could be her way getting Brienne out of the way so that she cannot protect Arya. Your use of the word "giant" reminded me that they also have at least one ice giant. Why was he missing from the battle? He could have stepped over the water and crushed our heroes. I gave this episode a 6. Nice CGI but I didn't have the same fear as I did in the loot train battle. I don't think the tension build up was as good in this case--perhaps because there were so many named characters involved who needed to be given lines and shown doing things. And why did the NK kill the flying dragon, instead of the one that was conveniently stationary on the ground? He would have stranded Dany and the rest too if he'd gone after Drogon.

Maybe those are the ones that didn't get used in the Battle of Blackwater... Agreed, especially after we heard that Jon hadn't bothered to contact them in weeks. (Based on the way they were able to contact Dany and get her there quickly, sending ravens is an easy thing to do.) Let Sansa rule the North and I'm beginning to think Cersei and Jaime getting married and ruling the South would be better than Dany or Jon or Dany/Jon/ I was really glad that Jon and Jorah discussed Jeor and Longclaw. I thought for sure that Jorah saying no to the sword was foreshadowing his death, but I'm glad to see that didn't happen. As someone mentioned above, a comment about Lyanna Mormont would have been good. I know that Brienne going to KL will lead to a reunion with Jaime, but I actually think Tormund is more deserving of her. Of course, Cersei will try to kill Brienne because she represents Sansa, and that will cause Jaime to break with Cersei. I'm just not a Brienne/Jaime shipper so it kinda annoys me. Of course, Brienne will arrive in KL in 1 episode after borrowing LF's teleportation device. I was thinking that a couple of the Snowmen would die, so it was a little bit of a let down that only Thoros died. The NK could easily have killed all of them. Why didn't he? (I am glad they evened the playing field and showed how dragons can also be killed by the WW.) Of course, Sandor can now go to Winterfell and help Sansa and Arya (and reveal the truth about Sansa's suffering to Arya and the truth about LF to both of them) so that's good. Also, I thought that was a waste of Gendry, other than the joke about Tormund having sex with him. Maybe he will also go to Winterfell and help get the real Arya back. I was really hoping to either see Tyrion jump on a dragon to accompany Dany or to see Jon rise from the water on the back of whichever dragon that was that got wighted. Frankly, that would have been cooler than Benjen ex machina IMO. BTW, would it have killed them to have Dany or Jorah call out the name of the dragon that got hit? Jon calling Dany by her name was weird. How would he even know that was her nickname? They should have had Jorah call her that at some point--I think he's the only one left who ever called her that. I get that it was just to get to the part where Jon called her "my Queen" but that was jarring for some reason. I wish they had just made them have an arranged marriage, rather than trying to make it a love match. Arya was really pissing me off this episode...to the point where it won't bother me if Sansa kills her. Maybe they want to create a dramatic impact when she finally sees Jon again. And by the way, what's preventing Arya from wearing nice clothes and getting a decent haircut? No doubt, Sansa can hook her up quickly. (BTW, I was hoping we would finally see Arya with a good haircut and clothes that flatter her--poor Maisie has had no luck in costuming since Season 1.) I liked that the Hound continues to shy away from fire. I did like Beric's mention of the Mountain and the reminder of the fact that the Hound was hurt by his brother--potential CleganeBowl foreshadowing? Tyrion's succession planning was smart--too bad Dany was not wise enough to think about it. Perhaps seeing the death of one of her dragons will make her think differently. I also liked the mention of the "democratic" processes or the IronBorn and the NW. Perhaps that's where Westeros is headed.

Jon is a third child of his father, but not his mother.

Cat not knowing about the child was completely absurd. Because this is book stuff I will put in spoilers.