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Plenty of people care. You aren't one of them. Hug your pillow and accept it =)

For those who care about such things, the first 4 episodes of the season have been leaked.

Ive been having a LOT of issues with the board last couple of days, on both mobile and desktop. I keep getting signed out every time i go to a new page, or at least it says im signed out. When i try to log in the log in fails but i appear logged in again. Im unable to quote anything in responses. Threads are not updating automatically. And finally on mobile versions i get switched from mobile to desktop version randomly and when trying to respond to a post am told that "my security key does not match". Are these known issues that are being worked on?

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zomg, the rapture is coming and they are missing it! oh noes! i just watched this rubbish again because my friend had not seen it and we're sharing a tiny studio in paris for a few days so i can't eactly lock myself in the bathroom for an hour while she watches.. she was pretty confused by a bunch of what was going on (not unusual however). meanwhile, i just cringed for most of the episode. what the bloody fuck? The first three minutes were pretty good, and then it all goes to shit. Apart from all my other gripes how the fucking shit does Arya run into Brie in the middle of some shitty fucking hills located at what looks to be the dreary asshole of the world? Talk about DUMB luck, And what the fuck is up with J&T? "Hey im here to rescue you!" "oh cool i guess this is goodbye!!!" **kiss kiss*** "ok bye!" "wait!....thank you...for my life!!" "ok byes" ugh. this is what aSoIaF would look like if it was written in twitter posts.

witty!

Or a violence obsessed teenage boy, which is what this dude sounds like.

Will that plot even exist?

So many questions. Why sacrifice two Giants to try to get through the gate instead of supporting them with a couple of hundred wildlings? Why does the second giant charge in by himself? Where are the other wildlings? I understand this was a "probe" by Mance but even so... A few more men and the the gate would have been taken and the Night's Watch slaughtered. Where are all the other men of the NW? Are they really down to 100 dudes in this show? Who is manning the other castles? Are there even other Castles? Are there no other gates through the wall in the show version? Also, how do you get smashed face first into an anvil, gush blood, and then walk away with everything intact? How does a little kid with a shitty bow kill a wilding with armor on? What happens to Thorne? He gets sliced a bit, two guys drag him off and he isn't seen or heard from again. Why are the wildlings attacking Castle Black so uncoordinated? What was the fucking plan there??

I don't understand all this talk of Stannis not arriving. He doesn't show up during the assault on Castle Black, as many others have said. This episode focused on that with a bit of the assault on the other side of the wall sprinkled in, obviously. Anyway, I enjoyed the final twenty minutes of this well enough, even if not much of it made any sense. The action was as good as its ever been in the show. Makes me wish they had this sort of Budget for the Whispering Woods. So many questions tho. Why sacrifice two Giants to try to get thru the gate? Why does the second giant charge in by himself? Where are the other wildlings? I understand this was a "probe" by Mance but even so... A few more men and the the gate would have been taken. Where are all the other men of the NW? Are they really down to 100 dudes in this show? Who is manning the other castles? Are there no other gates thru the wall in the show version? How do you get smashed face first into an anvil, gush blood, and then walk away with everything intact? How does a little kid with a shitty bow kill a wilding with armor on? What happens to Thorne? He gets sliced a bit, two guys drag him off and he isn't seen or heard from again. Meh, whatever. Enjoyable, if daft. Gave it a 6.

Is it really? based on that logic Titanic is the best movie ever made.

You are very right re: shock value. The ONLY point that Talisa served was to make the unsullied shit their pants when watching the RW. That was her only narrative purpose in the show. Her love and pregnancy make Robb's future seemingly more secure. D&D fell in love with the audience reaction to Ned's beheading and decided that they needed to trump it big time with the Red Wedding. So they create the romance with Robb and Talisa, focusing much of Robb's screen time on that tripe, and then stab stab stab her in her pregnant belly. Because what's more shocking than a pregnant women getting brutally executed, right? The Red Wedding in the books, on the other hand, was a bit of a slow boil, horror movie style. GRRM masterfully weaves these note of discord into the affair, and then when the treachery is revealed it turns into a brawl where the loyalty of Robb's men, the love they feel for him, is portrayed during a desperate struggle. You feel far more than shock and sadness in that scenes, you feel the growing sense of dread, the thin hope of survival, the loyalty and love, the sadness of each northerner falling and then the pain of "Jaime Lannister sends his regards". Followed, of course, by Cat's horrific fate. The first time i read the RW in like 1999 i threw my book across the room and refused to touch it for two days. Watching Dumb and Dumber's version just made me never want to watch the show again, but for far different reasons.

thanks for that compelling commentary. I'm sure it deeply moved all that read it. In case you have reading comprehension issues and missed the 50,000 posts by people explaining that their issue isn't with change itself, but the nature of said changes, and the inferior writing of changed material when compared to the original i would suggest backtracking in this thread and re-reading.

I don't understand why we have a "nitpicking" thread. Makes it sound like all criticism is whiney and petty. And to make it worse there is a "positive nitpicking" thread which further adds to the impression. I suggest having those two threads renamed to "things I liked" and "things I didn't like" for here on out. Might help putting some of this constant squabbling over opinions to rest. All in favor?

I agree fully. However, i would like to add that when changes are made I do compare their take to what happens in the books. For the most part, with a very few exceptions, they fail miserably when altering storylines and dialogue . it's not because the books are my Holy Bible it's because GRRM is a much better writer than anyone on staff at HBO. Shit I know people on this very board who could write this show better, just by sticking to the source as much as possible. If the changes were good I wouldn't complain. The Hound and Arya in the inn at the start of the season is a good example. Totally different take on that scene but I actually enjoyed it more. So yeah I'm pissed at change get but not due to the nature of adaptation but because it's just fucking bad. Like network TV terrible. "power is power", "nothing is nothing" "run back to your ships". All gag worthy.

true enough. they butchered 80% of the books after season 1, im sure they don't mind carving it up some more.

No, he survives his wound and ends up in a monastery as a grave digger . It's in one of brienne's chapters in affc. Not officially confirmed but I give it a 99% chance of being true. He will probably be the Faith's champion against unGregor. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/60808-the-gravedigging-hound-complete-analysis/

except he doesn't die, and will most likely reappear in the books.

Yeah its crazy to expect the writers to read and *gasp* remember shit.

what's it feel like to not know the definition of the term "hipster"?

Barry is suffering from dementia and has conveniently forgotten everything that occurred at Small Council Meetings under Robert's rule. Or, the writer's don't give a shit. that's the only explanation ive got.

I'm not even sure I understand half of what you just said, but honestly it seems YOU'RE the one in need of utilizing your ignore button. Otherwise, if you don't enjoy reading dissenting opinion go elsewhere. I'm sure there are tons of places you can gush over your love of this shitty adaptation.

And then I was all like omfg! Like, oh hellz no!

a solid three.