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Right but it still seems like she knows pretty clearly whats going to happen when Aemond gets his dragon. I guess maybe not though, maybe she just had a dream about a one eyed dragon or something.

I think that works for this example, I'm not sure it works for the time Alicent told Aemond he would have a dragon and Helena chimed in that he'd have to lose an eye.

I didn't initially think about it, but how are Helena's prophecies supposed to work? It's one thing for her family to ignore her random comments about a beast under the boards but what did she think that meant? My assumption was that she was having dreams and then being annoyingly cryptic about them. But she can't have known what was going to go down in the dragonpit and just showed up anyway.

Yes. The Arya tattos thing was also along those lines.

Lets not say thing we can't take back... My memory is fuzzy but it can't be worse than the episode explaining how Arya got her tattoos. Or that one where Roose couldn't raise his flag above the rebuilt Winterfell until his servants killed that pesky fly.

I don't know. In the books we only get that one bit about how he said the crown looked better on him, but he never called himself king. They've had to fill in most of these characters who are just sketched in the books. I love what they've done with Aemond. They easily could have made him a petulant monster but instead he's Daemon 2.0. Daemon had Daemon been been capable of self control.

Vaemond did something similar. The writers might just be confused. I keep forgetting to notice or ask, is the Baratheon stag crowned? I know on Game of Thrones they established it was "now that Robert is king."

Agreed. Really the only one she should consider killing is Aemond, and only because of Vhagar. You can't blame her for not thinking of that though, and the idea that she should immolate that entire branch of the family to take him and/or Aegon out is ...fucking nuts. Helena was there!

I think how they focused on his club foot there suggest that that is what they're going for. This was probably mentioned but I'm sure now they did cut an earlier foot fetish scene at their dinner. Like I said at the time it was weird that she removed her shoes, how often do you see characters do that on the show? Of course I wouldn't have thought anything of it if someone hadn't mentioned the leaks here. I was wondering are hand fetishes a thing? I've never heard of that. If you can answer without linking me to videos that would be great. Again I'm probably repeating someone else but as much as I liked the Eyyrk and Ayyrk stuff I realized today "here's two more characters they're properly introducing only for them to die in the next episode."

This is a bit of a leap. Even if the faith somehow rallied people to slaughter the pit dragons, which I doubt they could do as the people weren't so desperate and starving and fearful yet, it'd still be dragons vs no dragons. The new high septon would have to be stupidly devout to revolt against the throne. I assume Rhaenys just didn't see it as her place or job to burn them to death.

I liked the twin stuff, and the guy playing Aemond is great. Otherwise it was a little slow. No mention of Daeron

You're exaggerating, and they marry their sisters and cousins because supposedly it has to be "pure" You remind me of something relevant to my conversation with @Lord Varys though. Warging seems to be linked to blood. But just because a character didn't have the ability to skinchange into an animal does not mean they can't "tame" it by normal means. It's going to be so rare and dangerous that it's generally not worth trying. But it could happen with the right animal. Pull a thorn from it's paw or whatever, maybe. Also wasn't there at least one minor lord or knight who participated in the sowing despite having no possible Valyrian blood?

I don't doubt that the Targaryens used some kind of blood magic bond to control dragons and bind them for life. I still think it's possible that with the right animal one could form a non-magical bond. It would probably require an unusually intelligent dragon with the right disposition. I mentioned the guy and his lion friend. I remember an example with an alligator and his handler too. Sometimes animals develop bonds with humans that do not require magic. Plus there's the bit about how she feeds him before each flight. Good dragonrider practice or the only way she can get him to reliably obey? I forget if I mentioned this before but I could see them making Nettles one of the Dragonkeepers, maybe a failed one who gets kicked out or an aspiring one but they don't allow women. Or maybe she was raised by one. As for the bolded....so? I don't see how that disqualifies her in either case.

I forgot to ask, what is the context of this? I love that movie but like is Smith young Brenden Gleeson maybe?

Agreed. I like to think the dragons have personalities and she formed a different kind of bond with hers. Like that video where the lion runs up and hugs that dude. Shit happens. Most people would be too afraid to even try to befriend a lion/dragon. I also read her as someone who loves her dragon more than anything else. I can't think why else she'd hide out with it. She could have gone to essos but I think she picked the cave so Sheepstealer would be safe. Dragons dying over human quibbles is fuuucked up if you think about it.

Nettles has a nose, for the record! It was cut I assume like Nicholson in Chinatown. Definitely the character I'm looking forward too the most. "Sheepstealer" is a huge part of it but also I love that she ends up being the only real dragonrider for a bit there and instead of trying to conquer anything she just fucks off to live in a cave with her dragon.

He would totally be a prologue POV in the books.

Right but like you don't just recover from years of slow poisoning because you stopped drinking poison. I'd imagine. I don't really think they're going for that anyway. I think a little too much milk of the poppy. was the show version of that idea.

I still feel like there's room to reveal that Otto had been poisoning him for years. The king improved in his absence, and then withered when Otto returned. Otherwise someone needs to explain what is was up with his health.

Holy shit dude see a doctor. I hope you're not just leeching it.

I'm so glad that Daemon was shown being somewhat compassionate or at least pitying of his brothers condition. They've made him too much of a dick, especially last episode with "[the gods have] been especially cruel to you." I love the little moments of setup between him and Aemond. It's just looks and body language but it's there. I'm less bother by that than the feint that like "maybe the princess and the queen can get along!" immediately followed by that.

Holy shit they went overboard with Viserys' deterioration.

Do you know was this rumored by the same guy who started the debunked "Laena claimed Vhagar at Alicent's wedding" deleted scene rumor? She does take her shoes off in that dinner scene though. How often do we see characters do that.

Oh yeah I got that too. I don't know how Kingsguard shifts work, but he can't be on duty all the time, maybe she makes a point of only meeting Larys when he's not there.