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  1. I'm pretty sure he never seriously considered anyone but Jaime. Even up until his death (and he Jaime weren't on speaking terms), it probably never occurred to him that one of his children wouldn't ultimately do what he told them.
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    Is House Martell underestimated?

    I feel like they're more powerful than people give them credit for. I have a few points. 1. Military Strength I mean obviously they can't raise Reach or Westerlands numbers, but they seem to be able to raise at least 10,000 in a short period of time. That's how many men joined Prince Rhaeger during Robert's Rebellion, and given how short that war was it had to have been in a pretty short period of time. GRRM has also said that Dorne was not overly enthusiastic about being involved, so they probably sent as few men as possible. I think they may be able to raise more men than people give them credit for. 2. Economics I know they don't have the fabled gold of the Westerlands or harvests of the Reach, but I think we maybe overplay their desertness. They can grow some crops (to be addressed in 3). More importantly, they seem to grow exotic or luxury fruits like lemons and oranges, which probably fetch higher prices than grain. They also have a fairly productive wine industry. The Redwynes are incredibly influential based just on their wealth from wine; I know Dornish wine isn't as popular, but it seems to do very well. And in "A World of Ice and Fire" we get a map of Dorne and it shows at 3 towns on the Greenblood (Vaith, Godsgrace, Plankytown), in addition to the Shadow City beneath Sunspear. That suggest they're able to produce enough goods and wealth to necessitate 4 towns. In addition, we know the Yronwoods in the mountains have a fair number of silver mines and there could be other, smaller ones. 3. Agriculture. Yes, a large part of central Dorne is desert. But the Greenblood is described as the heart of Dorne, able to produce even in winter. There are also three rivers in the Red Mountains; the Torrentine, one by Yronwood, and one by Wyl. The Yronwoods lands are described as fertile, and the Yronwood kings counted among their titles "King of the Greenbelt". That implies that the Red Mountains may be somewhere fertile, and able to support Dorne's population somewhat independently. 4. Location Given the location of the Plankytown (one of the last stops before going through the pirate-filled Stepstones, or reversly, before sailing along the inhospitable coast of southern Dorne), its crazy that it hasn't grown into a city. It's prime real estate for merchants sailing to and from Lannisport and Oldtown to refill their food and water.
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    How powerful were the Manderlys in the Reach?

    I'm not sure if the Manderlys were necessarily the most powerful of the Reach families, but certainly one of the most powerful (maybe second only to the Tyrells and Hightowers). I get the feeling that the main probably was they overreached themselves, in a similar manner to the Reynes and Tarbecks in the Westerlands. But instead of being destroyed root and stem, they were forced into exile. It's happened to other Houses; the Blackwoods claim to have been driven from the Wolfswood by House Stark. Arguably the Manderlys hold more influence in the North (being the wealthiest house and controlling the major port) than they ever were in the Reach (where House Hightower claims those benefits).
  4. It may just be a simple "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer." Yeah, Aerys mistrusted Tywin, but he probably preferred to have Tywin busy running the county under the watchful eye of the the court as opposed to off under Casterly Rock doing who knows what.
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    Traditions of royal progresses

    The pre-Targaryen kings I'm sure did their own progresses, and the Lords Paramount probably did little progresses/travels themselves. We know Ned used to go visit the mountain clans. We know Lord Renly went on a "coming of age tour" throughout the Stormlands. And Cately Stark says that her father, Lord Hoster Tully, was always traveling around the Riverlands. It probably depends a lot on the lords, too. Ned seems like homebody, while Hoster clearly liked to be on the move. Its always good for lords/king to be seen among the people. As Ned said, people are more willingly to die for a lord they know.
  6. Just random curiosity; of the nine great houses, what do you think they would name their hypothetical Valyrian steel swords? I mean we know some: Stark: Ice / Longclaw. Lannister: Brightroar. Targaryen: Blackfyre. But the others? Martell(Something sun related?)? Baratheon? Tyrell (Thorn?)? Tully? Arryn? Greyjoy?
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    House Velaryon MIA.

    I think over the last century and half (after the Dance) they've been slowly waning in power and influence. And obviously Robert Baratheon isn't going to want some pseudo-Targaryens gaining strength in the Narrow Sea.
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    The North does not need the Other Regions

    Haha, clearly you don't understand economics. Just because the North survived as independent kingdom for thousands of years doesn't mean it wasn't dependent on trade from the south. Why do you think White Harbor grew into a city? Because people came to the north to trade FOOD for things like wood and fur, which the north does have in abundance. Just like Lannisport grew so the westerman could trade gold for things like food and WOOD, and Gulltown and Oldtown grew so they could trade their food for things like WOOD AND FURS.
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    Why do we not hear of Targyen parents marrying their offspring?

    I don't think that's true. There's several examples of Targaryens marrying siblings because the wanted to. Aegon the Conquerer was said to have married Rhaenys (as his second wife) out of love. And of course Jaehaerys II went against his parents wishes to marry his own sister.
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    What if Tywin joined Robert's Rebellion (properly)

    I think Tywin would probably have demanded Stannis for Cersei (assuming Robert refused to give up Lyanna). The younger brother of the king is still a prize (either Cersei or Jaime, can't remember, thinks Tywin possibly wanted Cersei to marry Viserys after being denied Rhaegar). I certainly think it changes how the royalists handle the war. Per Rhaegar, King Aerys seems to have been more concerned about what Tywin might have been doing rather than what Robert was actually doing. So he might have taken the rebellion more seriously a lot sooner if Tywin had joined early on. I think Rhaegar probably would have taken command a lot earlier, too. He may have been able to manage the royalist forces better; they seemed to have lacked a firm leader. The power of the Tyrells is HUGELY underused by the Targaryens in this war. They can field 80,000+ men and all they do is besiege a teenage Stannis in Storm's End? Maybe Rhaegar would have demanded more from Highgarden, in exchange for a royal marriage. I think the Greyjoys still raid the Mander. Whether or not Jaime ends up dying depends on how much / if Rhaegar really takes control. I don't think he would let Jaime be killed just out of hand, but would probably hold him hostage.
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    Best Commanders alive at the end of ADWD

    Stannis Baratheon. Roose Bolton. Victarian Greyjoy (sea). Randyll Tarly. Tyrion Lannister. Barristsan Selmy. Brynden Tully. Honorable Mentions: Jaime Lannister, Tormund Giantsbane, Yohn Royce, Aenys Frey.
  12. I think one of the other Kingsguard (assuming they learn of Aerys's plan like Jaime) would have done something to neutralize Aerys. But they may not have killed him; killing him speaks to the directness Jaime uses to deal with things. Tyrion said something along the lines of Jaime never untying a knot when he could hack at it with a sword. I think Barristan the Bold or the The White Bull probably would have killed the pyromancer and maybe just sequestered Aerys in his rooms (forcibly....) and handed him over to either Lord Tywin or Lord Eddard.
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    Why do we not hear of Targyen parents marrying their offspring?

    Probably because it never really happened historically, and we know GRRM drew a lot from history. The best example of close incest are the ancient Egyptian pharaohs. They married brother and sister all the time (Cleopatra married both her brothers), but I don't think they ever married father/daughter mother/son.
  14. I don't think he was "lazy", more he just lacked opportunity. Robert really didn't need, or want, him around. Robert had other men (Jon Arryn, Stannis Baratheon, Eddard Stark) to serve him. Why would he want Tywin? They clearly didn't care for each other, and Robert probably thought he had enough golden haired little shits hanging around. And it's not like Tywin is sitting in Casterly Rock watching daytime TV. He (like other great lords) is basically running a pseudo-kingdom. He also probably has plenty of indirect influence over the kingdom from Casterly Rock. We know his daughter, Queen Cersei, is pretty good at hen-pecking Robert into doing what she (i.e., Tywin) wants. Pycelle is also probably working to advance Tywin's national aims. And Tywin is the chief domestic financial backer of the crown, which gives him a lot of leverage.
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    Is the Reach that powerfull?

    I think a big part is its just so indefensible and shares a border with at least four other kingdoms (Westerlands, Riverlands, Stormlands, Dorne), five if you throw in the sea and the Iron Islands. And other than their border with Dorne, none of them have natural defenses. If I recall correctly, I believe in a World of Ice and Fire there's a part where one of the Gardener kings was successfully invading the Stormlands, only to have it fall apart when a Lannister King invaded the Reach. There's just a lot of land to cover and defend. So yeah, being able to raise 100,000 men sounds impressive. But if you have to defend multiple fronts, you just end up with several manageable armies. Take early modern France; it was one of the most populous countries in Europe and in several periods had the largest, strongest army. But, they had to defend borders with Spain, England (channel), the Dutch, Germany and Italy. Its risky to send most of your army south into Spain when there's a chance the Dutch could invade the north while you're gone.
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