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A fact is something that is indisputable, you are stating an opinion, as I am about to do. In all reality there is nothing ever published or created, or painted that isn't poorly done in some amount. If the Mona Lisa is examined there will be flaws found, an amazing song will have a note or two off, a sculpture will not be perfectly balanced...much like my points, nothing is perfect. Millions of people the world over love the Mona Lisa, to me it's a good painting but it doesn't invoke passion or any real response, does that mean it wasn't done well, no, it just means my opinion is different. I like the show, I like the actors, the story lines,( I hate Dorne ) the jokes, the battles, the character interaction. You don't; so be it, but it doesn't make me simple minded or a tin foil chaser as you stated so nicely.

Love this comparison, I mean again, anyone who doesn't agree with you that the writing sucks must be simple minded. Been fun, got to go and get some tinfoil!!!! Enjoy the last episode, I hope it goes out with a bang and hopefully we can meet back on here and have some more fun and all in good jest conversations!

And yet most watchers of the show go back and rewatch every episode, some even multiple times, so I guess that makes GOT like the original 3 movies? I agree!!!!

I am sure you all would do much better at writing a show and developing it. I mean, this show is doing so poorly that anyone could do better, I can't believe it's still on. Despite what some highly educated high brow great literary forum posters want to keep stating, the show has a passionate group of fans and that base is growing for a reason.

And again here goes the easy argument, people are dumb who flock to this show, slow witted, simple minded. I mean, if they don't agree with me they must be dumb.... great argument. The last two books dragged ass and quite frankly. Dance was a little better but over all they were jumbled up and had tons of filler chapters. But since GRRM wrote it, and people read it versus seeing it on t.v. that makes it better. The show can never and should never go into the great details that the books did, it would be boring as piss if they did. BTW, same statement can be said of the books, OMG a book about dragons, dead walking things and Direwolves oh my!..Doesn't mean the quality of the books haven't dropped off since book 3.

You can't compare any show that was on that long ago to any current show. Back when MASH was on you had like 3 channels to choose from, that's it. Current shows should only be compared to other shows in the last decade or so, no other comparison ratings wise is remotely fair. And again, something that continually gets more popular must mean something. And lets be honest, the books had just as much sex and violence, no one can contest that.

But, when people are just band wagon jumping, they are not passionate. This is passion for something. I was at a bon fire last Saturday with another group of people and as soon as someone brought it up their eyes lit up and they got into the conversation. There is a big difference in liking something and being passionate about it. And BTW, coming to something late and joining in doesn't just mean watching because others are. I came to Breaking Bad just before the final season, and I was hooked.

Article out today or yesterday about Game of Thrones. HBO has stated this is it's only series ever that has gone this long and increased in ratings every year. There is something to be said about that. How can you have such prolonged success, getting more and more popular every season if you suck? Your writing sucks, your every decision sucks. Despite what some people think, people are still tuning in, enjoying, and recommending this show to others, who in turn do the same. Last night I went to a concert and on the drive the one thing that perked up people the most was when we talked about the show. And these friends haven't read the books. I still maintain that the majority of people on here who complain about the show wouldn't be doing so if they hadn't read the books over the course of 20 years and have this built up expectations and such that the show, no matter who was doing it couldn't meet. Especially since the show has passed the books. Everyone has an opinion and can use any logic they choose to justify their opinion, as I did just now regarding the ratings.

So, let me see if I get this right. The episodes that have no tits or gore and focus on people are lambasted for poor writing and being slow. The episodes with tits and dicks and dick jokes are bitched about being exploitive and low brow. The episodes with action and gore and criticized for being violent and OMG the hero didn't die in the battle and not focused on people or politics. So basically, the show should just consist of the opening credits and then pages from the books shown on screen? To be fair, every episode is called poor writing, lazy writing, not true to the books, cheap, no budget, no wolves, no dragons, oh wait dragons but I wanted wolves this time, flashy lights, people who like it have no taste, just watch for the tits and dragons, wouldn't understand good writing if they saw it...

And yet it's ratings are at an all time high? Don't know if I agree with this or not. I have about 10 people I know who are just show watchers and they are absolutely loving this season. Don't get me wrong, the two episodes before this were clunky, but as a whole they are pumped.

Have to agree, best scripted hour I have seen in a long time. I have watched it twice and probably will watch it once more this week leading into the finale. I have talked to a lot of people who watched it and not a single person was anything but amazed with the episode. One thing I liked a lot surprised me, it was the horses and them charging and the way they were shown in the battle. And the shot of the headless horseman riding by, then getting hit by Wun Wun.

Yep, I think I was referring to the wrong person, was getting a lot of quotes at the same time, I honestly apologize. I am referring to people who week in and week out criticize and question me and others for liking the show and try to show us how bad it is and why we are sheep or something similar for liking it. My bad habit is I get sucked in to debates on Monday and Tuesday before I remember it doesn't really matter. The worst thing for me is that I only have one more episode this year to enjoy.

Well I guess that I am the average viewer because those votes line up very close to mine. I think if you round up half and round down half of those it matches me week for week. I am beige

So stop eating their food and stop criticizing people who like their food.

In your opinion. Not the other 100 plus people who said it does deserve a 10.

But that's what I think is better about the show. When they were asking the northern houses for help, the houses weren't all rah rah Starks. They told them like it was, we followed you and we died. Robb betrayed us, Boltons helped us get our house back etc.. I will have to reserve judgement on how the Sansa Jon thing plays out, not happy with how the show is doing this so far.

Yes it is, I had given the previous two episodes 6's if I am not mistaken. I have never given a 10 before. Highest previously was a 9 for Hardhome and a 9 for Watchers on the Wall. I am very much a Jon Snow fan so my rankings are influenced by that. He was my favorite from Episode 1 and even more so in the books. Now, the people who are giving every episode a 10, then yes it's exactly the same. There were a few clunkers this season for sure and no way they should be 10's. I guess my mind if just wired differently. I don't like broccoli. I don't like it raw, steamed, with macaroni and cheese, battered and fried or in a salad. So when I eat, I don't eat it. I don't go to every new restaurant to try their broccoli, I know I will not like it. That's how I equate watching a series that I would give consistent 1's to on a rating system. If I know I won't like it, I won't try it.

So one decision means an entire episode sucks? When was she treated like a hero? I saw her ride into Winterfell courtyard. I saw her ask where Ramsey was, and I saw her watch him die. If you mean by fans of her, well of course that's how they see her. Just like her detractors will see it the other way. As I stated in the post, you will see it your way and I will see it my way, neither of us is wrong, we just don't agree and that is ok. Nothing that is said will change the others view on this subject.

Save yourself the trouble, you can never see their point of view, I gave up trying. Some people will rant and rave no matter what, and to them it is valid. I mean, can anyone who watched that episode truly give it a 1, 2, 3? Yet there are still the same 20 some odd 1 votes every week. If you let it go and ignore those it makes your experience here much better.

LF gave his remains to Catelyn in season 3, there is no reason to believe that she didn't have them shipped north and put in the crypts.

She said she would return the cities to the ashes, meaning total destruction of them(hence Tyrion bringing up the Mad King and wildfire). That would have caused thousands of innocent people to die. This only caused those who were killing to die, the soldiers, ships, and masters. So this is a very different plan.

I gave it a 10, only episode I ever gave a 10 to. I kept trying to think of reasons to give it a 9 and realized that if I had to think that much then it must be a 10. There were a couple minor things I didn't like but that's all. For me, the best episode of the series. Mereen - loved the action there. Got a huge reminder of the wildfire in KL for Ep10. Dany got more than one reminder of why her father was called the mad king. I liked the fact that there was actual combat and such from Dany's side. Normally it's all just threats and a few deaths, this time it was like, yeah you f'ked up and now you are going to pay for it. Dragon scenes were pretty damn good and Drogon is about twice the size of the others, nice to see them out and in the action. Sansa - she reminded me of Catelyn at first in the tent scene with Jon. About how she should have been consulted. Things calm down a little and then they talk and she made valid points, don't do what he wants you to do, he is better at this game than you are. She was right, Ramsey sucked Jon right out of his plan and likely caused more of his men to die than would have had he stuck to his plan. I liked the last scene where when Ramsey is getting nibbled on how Sansa starts to leave, then stops and turns back to watch him get ripped apart, then leaves. Like she needed to see it to believe it or because she is supposed to, kind of a nod to Ned. Tormund - Nice to see he didn't die in battle like I thought he would. I like his character and it wouldn't be the same without him. WunWun - Well, pretty much as expected, he breaks the Winterfell walls but dies in the process. RIP Davos - Nice little rallying cry to go get them into the fight. Sad to see him find the stag he gave Shireen in the pyre. Jon - really disappointed that he fell right into Ramseys trap but you know he had to. There is no way he wouldn't go out there to at least try to save Rickon. The thing he should have done differently would have been to turn back after Rickon died instead of going berserker Jon and rushing an entire army alone. I really liked his battle scenes and I hated the crushing part of it. I have a touch of claustrophobia so when Jon was struggling to breathe I was dying! So glad to see that he didn't die that way. Nice little feeling when he was beating Ramsey to death. The Battle - I thought it was shot amazingly well. The look was great, the way it showed how horrible combat truly is, blood shit and tears. I don't know how they did those scenes with the horses crashing together, it looked so real I would swear it was. Glad to see Winterfell survived with minimal damage. Dislikes - No Ghost at all? The expected Knights of the Vale running in at the last minute to save the day, again fully expected. I am sure there are things that others don't like, but for me and what I like to see, this was a great episode.

Thank you. We had hundreds and hundreds of pages of filler material in some of the books. Its just the mature of entertainment in general. I mean, books 4 and 5 had so much filler they were created out of what was supposed to be just book 4.

As to the Dothraki, in the books all anyone knows about them is that if you don't pay them off they kill pillage rape and take slaves. If you do pay off and it's not enough, repeat scenario 1. I see their portrayal in the show to be pretty faithful to the books. And yes, since her last chapter in the book has her being surrounded by them, we all knew she was going to make them a part of her army(other wise why do they exist in the first place), the only question was the how. As to the bad guys, yeah, they do make the bad guys really really bad. I guess that's so we can see how much worse they are when compared to the other bad guys in the show. That scene with the Mountain was just stupid and needless. Kind of reminds me of The Walking Dead tv series, they have to keep topping the last bad guy with a worse one. At some point it gets comical. Funny part is that the show seems to magnify all the book issues. Dorne sucks (in my opinion) in the books and really really sucks on the show. Mereen-Mereenese knot sucked and dragged on in the books and still does on the show. Arya and her FM training seemed pointless in the books as no one believed she would ever not be Arya Stark, and we got the poor payoff this week. I am glad that I wasn't coming off as insulting to you, other people were chiming in as if we weren't being civil and that's annoying. BTW, I still say best part of this episode was the preview for next week!

So I assume you predicted that Dany would get herself out of the issue with the Dothraki? Not that she would be saved by Jorah and Daario or by Drogon, but that she already had her plan and was ready to do it? I assume you predicted that Dondarion was still alive and that the BWB were still "somewhat" good guys and that LSH wasn't behind it? There are times where they get heavy handed with for shadowing, Jaime to Edmure would be one of them, but other times they aren't and that's ok. This episode probably got my 2nd or 3rd lowest vote of all the ones I have ever given, but there was still plenty about it I found entertaining.