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What are you even trying to say about Tommen? He is Joffreys lil brother, Joffrey is already dead, and Tommen had nothing to do with it, what does any of that have to do with the prophecy we were discussing?

The prophecy stated she would have three children, they would all have golden shrouds(death shrouds) and that the volonqar(sp?) would kill her, and that word, while spelled wrong, means little brother. The question has always been, Jaime or Tyrion. Cersei was born first so technically Jaime is also Cersei's little brother despite being twins.

Have to disagree with you. The sword is a family sword, not Sams. As Randal said, the sword has been in the family for generations.

Agree with you on Braavos, time to get Arya moving. The flash backs were really good and revealing. Coldhands however does not equal Benjen in the books or show. GRRM has said himself that Coldhands is not Benjen. I found the KL events very interesting for once. I see Maergery as playing the HS. She seems to be the one in charge and is just letting him think he has the best of her. She knows Tommen is not smart or cunning enough to see what it happening so she uses him as a pawn. This whole season has been about woman coming into their own so this would fit right in. Arya - not being no one but instead remembering who she is Sansa - If you won't help me I will do it myself Yara - Fine, I'll take the ships and take control of my life, likely heading to Dany Marg - taking control of KL and the King, from the other woman in charge Dany - didn't need to be saved by men, saved herself and took the entire Dothraki population with her Sand snakes- yeah the whole story there sucks, but the women are now in charge Lady Olena telling her oaf of a son that they were outsmarted

Jaime still has a shot at redemption. He is still heading to the RL just as in the books and maybe, just maybe Lancel talks to him before he leaves. Dany - yeah, she loves speeches.

I am hoping Lancel talks to Jaime before he leaves for the RL. They made a point to show Lancel on the steps of the Sept, making eye contact with Jaime, holding out hope for this. Jaime heading to RL and so is Brienne, could be a meet up of former pent up flames! Brienne would now have two suitors!

When did Tommen betray Jaime? Tommen had strict orders that no one was to attack the FM, and Jaime went against those order and planned an attack. If Tommen is a true believer then he does what is right, Jaime betrayed his King and his King dismissed him for it.

I gave a 6 for this week. My lowest rating of the year. Sam - Didn't like this at all. Horn Hill was absolutely massive, didn't expect that at all. Then Sam reverts back to cowardly Sam and allows Gilly to be treated very poorly. To top it off he steals Heartsbane. I know that he knows how important Valyrian steel is but I just don't like them having him do this. So where do they go now? They can't really go to Oldtown now right since his dad knows that's where he was heading. Plus what good is the sword there? Does he head back North? Arya - This was about as expected except it will be dragged out one more episode before Arya and the Waif battle it out. Dany - well she has her army heading toward Mereen, and seems to be understanding what it will take to get them all to Westeros, seems to finally be making plans to actually do it. I still wish she would head to Volantis and take their ships. I assume she will fly ahead to Mereen and maybe find out there about Volantis supporting the Harpy and see her fleet has been destroyed? KL - Well that back fired. They should have known something was up when her hair wasn't cut like Cersei's was. And why was Olenna there, I mean seriously all she was there for was so Mace could look stupidly at her and she could explain the obvious. So is Maergery really following this or is she just going along to get Loras free? Tommen I could see following it if he thinks she is. Also gives us the set up for Jaime to head to the RL and meet up with Brienne, he even mentioned Bronn so likely he will be traveling with him again. Lancel shot Jaime a glance, any chance he tells him about Cersei before Jaime leaves? Walder - well at least we know he is still alive! Bran - nice to see some of his flashbacks. One prominent flashback was the Mad King and the wildfire. I still see this turning into Cersei and her nuking KL taking out everyone, the FM, Tyrell army, everyone, just before Dany arrives. Jaime will be in the RL with the Lannister army and so he will be saved. Benjen - Ok, so does he have some magical powers now? How did he get his weapons on fire? I still think he will lead them to the Heart of Winter where Bran does something big near the end of the series. All in all a good episode, just felt a little flat since the last few have been so good.

Yeah in the show you have that male prostitute that testified against Loras, knowing specific intimate details. Maergery lied about it and as far as I know that is all she is charged with, which to me isn't much.

I think something got missed here. Sansa is sending Brienne to the Riverlands, likely with Pod. Sansa and Jon will be treating with the Northern houses to try to rally them, they are not heading to the Riverlands.

My take. The Lannisters are staying out because Tommen specifically told the Hand of the King to take no action against the FM. The King is being kept out of the loop on this, as they stated during the meeting. That is why the Tyrell army is coming in.

So GRRM is also a hack in your opinion since he named Ser Patrick Star after his friend, a Cowboys fan after losing a bet on a Giants - Cowboys game? GRRM said in an interview that he did this, so it is fact. He is the person WunWun (a Giant) killed by smashing him around while drunk. NVM, just saw the sarcasm post. Can we make a sarcasm symbol so all can recognize it? I am sarcastic as hell in real life but have trouble reading it in written form!

I both liked and disliked the wall scenes. Liked the continuation of Tormund leering at Brianne, the fact that they are heading out to try to round up the Northern houses, wonder if Davos gets sent off to White Harbor like in the books? Disliked the end of the LF scene with Sansa. They start showing Sansa as being wiser and a player, but then letting him get off the Half brother comment. He, as always, is planting his seeds of doubt. Then Sansa lies to Jon, the one person she is counting on and her one relative she has seen in ages. Not happy with that. Dany scene, a throw away. Is it just me or did she look like she had lost some weight in this scene compared to last week? Her face looked thinner, wonder if this scene was filmed later and just added in? The Kingsmoot - I liked the way it played out. They needed to get something moving here and Euron just now starting to build an even bigger fleet would have stalled the plot out, they need to move forward. I like Yara taking the ships and fleeing although it was a bit predictable. It does show that the fleet and officers all respected her more than Euron thought and that he underestimated Yara. Arya - it was nice to get some history on the FM and to see where they came from. I unlike a lot here was happy with the stick scene. Arya now has her sight so it's a fair fight, and shows her getting her as handed to her because she thinks she is better than she is. Not so subtle reminder from the Waif that she is still Arya Stark and she will never be a FM despite what she says. The troupe scene was really good. It shows Arya what people think about her father and that the story has nothing to do with reality. Felt really bad for her as the scene unfolded. It's another case of the Starks realizing that what they grew up thinking about how their family is perceived and the reality of the how the people outside of the North thinks of them are entirely different. I took this as their way of making her remember who she is and why she started this journey to begin with. She doesn't want to be a FM assassin, she wants revenge for her family. Bran - Again, we have a Stark child who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous. It seems like they are all in the same phase right now, learned a little from a mentor and think they are ready to go it alone. I do wonder if the books will play out the Hodor story like this. Some people had called it right about the Children of the Forest creating the Nights King as a last ditch effort to win the war against the first men. As soon as we got that first overhead shot of the tree and the stones it brought us back to Episode 1. Sucked that we lost Summer but at least he went out protecting Bran and didn't die in a pen or off screen.

I gave it a 7. Good episode and everything feels new, like we are now fully past the books and in unchartered territory. Would have been higher had the Dany scene been better or Summer had done more damage before dying. I both liked and disliked the wall scenes. Liked the continuation of Tormund leering at Brianne, the fact that they are heading out to try to round up the Northern houses, wonder if Davos gets sent off to White Harbor like in the books? Disliked the end of the LF scene with Sansa. They start showing Sansa as being wiser and a player, but then letting him get off the Half brother comment. He, as always, is planting his seeds of doubt. Then Sansa lies to Jon, the one person she is counting on and her one relative she has seen in ages. Not happy with that. Dany scene, a throw away. The Kingsmoot - I liked the way it played out. They needed to get something moving here and Euron just now starting to build an even bigger fleet would have stalled the plot out, they need to move forward. I like Yara taking the ships and fleeing although it was a bit predictable. It does show that the fleet and officers all respected her more than Euron thought and that he underestimated Yara. Arya - it was nice to get some history on the FM and to see where they came from. I unlike a lot here was happy with the stick scene. Arya now has her sight so it's a fair fight, and shows her getting her as handed to her because she thinks she is better than she is. Not so subtle reminder from the Waif that she is still Arya Stark and she will never be a FM despite what she says. The troupe scene was really good. It shows Arya what people think about her father and that the story has nothing to do with reality. Felt really bad for her as the scene unfolded. It's another case of the Starks realizing that what they grew up thinking about how their family is perceived and the reality of the how the people outside of the North thinks of them are entirely different. I took this as their way of making her remember who she is and why she started this journey to begin with. She doesn't want to be a FM assassin, she wants revenge for her family. Bran - Again, we have a Stark child who has just enough knowledge to be dangerous. It seems like they are all in the same phase right now, learned a little from a mentor and think they are ready to go it alone. I do wonder if the books will play out the Hodor story like this. Some people had called it right about the Children of the Forest creating the Nights King as a last ditch effort to win the war against the first men. As soon as we got that first overhead shot of the tree and the stones it brought us back to Episode 1. Sucked that we lost Summer but at least he went out protecting Bran and didn't die in a pen or off screen.

He had her bathed, so she would think he wanted to sleep with her. She was escorted to his room, wasn't alone.

Doubt very seriously that they all would have walked to where they were sitting and not notice oil on the floor. IMO the help she needed was her barring the door, that's all. As for Dany ending Tyrions slave deal, it hasn't even been accepted yet. My guess is Dany will send word to the slavers that the Dothraki are going to turn her over and for them to have gold and horses ready, then they swoop in, kill the masters who are there and take it all. Maybe the meet is in Volantis and she gets their fleet as well. Yeah, how could anyone think this made her a murderer? They just told her that she is going to be raped by all of them, basically all of the Dothraki, and their horses if she is still alive. Yeah, but they didn't actually do it so that makes her a murderer. Stupid, just stupid. Yeah, the way he looked at her in the yard when she arrived was great. Can't believe I didn't see it coming. Finnier thing is a friend who watches the show missed it entirely, she just thought he was watching her eat!!!

Yeah it's usually negative and normally today I can't even keep logged in here due to high traffic, today though it seems light. Maybe Dany burned all the haters too?

I thought it was a good episode. Had a Stark reunion finally, The Vale getting involved, Maergery getting some screen time and Dany taking care of business on her own. I liked the awkwardness that was felt between Sansa and Jon. It would have been out of character for them to run to each other. It was explained well during the show about how poorly she had treated him and how much they have both been through since then. I also liked how Tormund was checking out Brienne. Totally in character and I never saw it coming. Wildlings love strong women and that's exactly what she is. This could be her chance for someone who actually wants her for her and not just a conquest. Also liked the Pink letter appearance. It served to unify the wildlings, Jon and anyone else that was threatened in it. I also liked Edd being angry with Jon for leaving. Would not have made sense for him to just be ok with it. I am perfectly fine with Dany not burning, BECAUSE, this is not the books. In this series she has had several instances where she should have been burned, the water, the eggs, and the funeral pyre. They have never shown her getting burned by anything so they are staying true to what they have shown us so far. My only issue is with Jorah and Daario being there at all. They were not needed for anything, just stole screen time. I was also ok with Tyrion and the truce he is proposing. He is trying to get them out of Mereen and to end the bloodshed. If you had asked a slave before Dany arrived if they would be ok if slavery ended in 7 years they would have said yes. He is doing what Dany didn't understand how to do. Replace slavery with something else. KL - yeah, Maergery thinks the sparrow is using her to break Loras but I think he is using Loras to break her. She is the strong one not him. Never trust the Lannisters, you know they want the FM and Tyrells to fight it out and weaken each other. Vale - Littlefinger is back and still smarter than most, he knew to bring a gift for the little idiot boy to keep him on his side. Now we see that the Vale finally involved in the show. Do we know where Littlefinger and Sansa were meeting at in the preview? . Iron Islands - kingsmoot next week! Will be a little different with Theon there, maybe Euron sends Yara and Theon to get Dany? I like that Yara was truly hurt by Theon and let him know it.

Maybe the Vale? They haven't lost men to any of the wars, they have stayed out of it all.

Gave it a 7. The Wall - well after 5 seasons we finally get a Stark reunion! Funny how awkward it was on screen though since she always treated him so poorly growing up and she recognizes how dumb that was now. Sansa was being a little unrealistic about them just taking off and heading south to retake Winterfell and Jon, well he was emo...! The good thing in my mind it we saw that the Vale is planning to head that way already, no magical time jump to get them there. The pink letter made it's appearance and helped motivate not just Jon but Tormund and the Wildlings as well. Vale - that was a pretty mediocre scene at best. Granted the Lord hasn't been built up much in the show so I guess when little lord pissy pants speaks up he would be scared, it just seemed weak though. KL - At least we got some explanation of the book of the stranger. Nice little back story on the sparrow and why he wears no shoes. Still not sure why Pycelle hasn't been killed, likely because he is seen as respected. Thinking Ep 8 or 10 him and a few others feel Cersei's wrath. Winterfell - yeah, see ya Osha Mereen - well, as much as they don't like it Tyrion is trying to end slavery without thousands more dying. Vas Dothrak - I like the thought of Dany being her own savior and not needing tweedle dee and tweedle dumb to save her. I just wish they had left the two of them in Mereen if this was going to be the outcome. They played no role in her doing what she did so why have the wasted screen time. Now Dany can send word to the slavers telling them the Dothraki will give them Dany for the horses, then just take them for herself. I half expected Drogon to be seen in the moonlight circling or something.

So you are inside GRRM's head and know his motives for releasing a chapter, that had already been leaked before in summary form? And what was not well liked on the show that caused him to do this? Most reviews I have seen were very positive, other than people who never have anything but negatives to say anyway.

Thank you. And with the show it has been very obvious. Worst kept secret ever.

Ok, this I can understand and this viewpoint is thought out and makes sense. It's not, they suck, I hate them and everything they do!

Humor me if you will. The Tower of Joy scene. It is taken from a chapter, from a fever dream, and in the book it is what, like half a page long? And yet people have it built up in their minds as this mind blowing battle and unbelievably well written 15 lines of dialogue. So that little piece of a 10,000 page series is so critical and has all the heart and soul of the books? Dayne has like three lines out of the whole part, that's it. Personally I believe that it has been so long that people have read and reread the books into something that nothing will ever compare to. To me you just have to separate the books and show when watching and only watch the show based on it's merits. I bitched about the dogs disappearing during the fight, about Dorne the entire series, about a lot of Dany because the actor just seems so stiff. But I try to not compare that Jon doesn't walk around flexing his hand all the time or that they seem to have removed Robbs will, because this is their adaptation.

I thought they did when they talked about looking for them on the battle field, "why weren't you guarding your Prince... he wanted us here", something to that effect. Yeah, it wasn't clear for sure.