HexMachina

You can't. We don't know yet.

Should Winds of Winter material from the sample chapters be included on pages other than their chapter summaries? Or should it be as we did with the Westerlands reading, where the material was included but in a very non-spoilery way? (granted, I'm.not sure how to include the Winds stuff in a non-spoilery way)

I keep getting this when I try to view various pages on the forum. I'm not sure if that is a problem at my end or with the board. Also, on the mobile site I am now getting a PayPal ad across the top of the page (but only when I actually use it on my mobile, so I'm struggling to get a print screen)

Yes. I'll just add to that, its the same way Pate is killed in a Feast for Crows prologue

:huh:But this is the References and Homages thread... Or.is.my.hunour detector broken.again? :dunce:

I suppose we will never know. But again, if a woman "dishonors" the marriage bed, even if she is raped, in some countries today she is still considered in the wrong...So I guess Ironborn culture works along the same lines, and Victarion was expected to kill her or be considered inferior or something like that. Its awful isn't it? :(

Forced may be the wrong word. But I can see what Dorian Martell means. It is expected by the Ironborn culture that Victarion kills his wife after the infidelity. Disgusting yes, but there it is. (Note that in many countries even today, the woman is always "more" at fault than the man if she commits adultery)

I agree. I don't really have an issue with show Oberyn but I certainly couldn't say I think he is more fleshed out. More obvious (for good reasons, since books dont always translate directly onto screen) perhaps, but he is essentially the same man - family, check. Revenge, check. Passionate, check. Fierce, check. Can't honestly think of anything the show has done to flesh him out more.

That should be a really memorable scene. Lyme is supposed to be a really tall woman, over 6' and muscular, which you would expect of a Career Tribute from District 2, so when I heard Lily Rabe was cast, I thought "good actress, but no.". When Rabe withdrew because of some play and was replaced by Gwendoline, I thought "that's more like it". Ah, of course :) It has been a while since I read the books, but that rings a bell, thanks

Huh, name rings no bells here either...probably one of the rebel.commanders. Maybe the one who meets Katniss when she visits the hospital before it is bombed

I saw this when it was first on. Recorded this when it was on ITV Encore recently and re-watched this week. Loved it even more :D Really? Do we know who she is? I thought she was also in the next Star Wars? Seems to be a busy year. I knew him from Nanny McPhee before aGoT :D When he showed up my reaction was: "SIMON!" :p Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Richard Madden (Robb Stark) was is a TV Series called Sirens He is also cast for Prince Charming in Cinderella in 2015

Aiden Gillen's accents (yes, accents. Plural :P)...oh my don't even get me started. I loved the Vale this season and it had some of the best acting imo. But Gillen was awful imo. I'd have to re-watch Ygritte to comment on her accent. I guess I've never found her performance particularly memorable...

As a Northern(ish) girl myself, I have to agree. Kit's accent makes me cringe

At the very least 6 ships are lost, and if 6 were lost before they even got there, it isnt unreasonable to think more will be lost on the return journey and rescuing the Wildlings. Even if this were not the case, the fact remains that there are no ships to be had at Eastwatch, as they were allbsent to Hardhome. Even if they aren't all wrecked, they are still there

Now I'm confused, are you annoyed with me or not? :dunno: :p

To name just one example from Episode 10: What made Tyrion go to the Tower of the Hand to confront his father? He was not in a murderous black rage as he was in the books, having not been told the truth of Tysha. Why does Shae, the happy happy lover whore he has fawned over for 3 seasons attack him for no apparent reason other than him being there? The show really played up the romance and now the scene makes no sense. She attacks him completely out of nowhere. Why would he risk the freedom that he had just been won at such a great risk by Jaime? There is a much clearer motive in the books. And furthermore, how does he even find the tower of the hand using the complex network of underground tunnels? Does he just spend hours popping his head up through random doors until he strikes lucky? There are other scenes they have added which are illogical that I wont go into.

Why though? If by straying from the source material the show becomes illogical, that is a valid criticism.

Even if the omissions make parts of the show seem illogical?

So, we all have to praise the show and can't critique it at all? Even for omitting things/adding new scenes to the point where certain scenes make no sense or are illogical?

She was sleeping with Lancel in Season 2

If only they were. ;)

ETA: I have to add the comment that this episode was hyped far too much, and not just by these forums. D and D claimed it was there best episode yet and submitted it for an Emmy. They built themselves up too much, and.as a result expectations were high. Sadly, I do not feel they lived up to thos expectations. I gave it a 6/10 and that is an optimistic vote, after I have had time to get past my initial annoyances. I'll give a breakdown to explain as best I am able to: Jon/Stannis/the Wall: Not massively impressive. Jon-Mance dialogue was fine, but where did Mance's Wildling army go? He seemed to have about 10 Wildlings left against the Stannis hordes, which detracted from Stannis' victory and made it much less impressive. Didn't enjoy the interactions of Davos Jon and Stannis at all. The rest didn't bother me too much I suppose. Bran/Meera/Jojen: *sigh* I had such high hopes for this, it had the potential to be incredible. I don't care that they cut Coldhands out at all, as I believe he is an insignificant character anyway who basically served the role of a guide. All was fine until we get the wight attack. They were flat out ridiculous, surely D and D knew how poor they looked? I know they are supposed to very decayed, but they looked ridiculous. And the CotF fireball attack was pathetic, out of character and frankly bizzare. Before the "OMG BOOK PURIST! KILL IT WITH FIRE!" brigade come along, I appreciated the death of Jojen as it saved the scene somewhat, making the cost of getting there more real. Also, offered us a chance to see Meera pull out some wonderful (albeit brief) acting skills. Dislike the CotF appearance, looked like pantomime costumes. The Cave set was wonderfully eerie, but Bloodraven was a let down, very much so. And the brushing off of the sacrifice of Jojen irked me too. Brienne/the Hound: I very much enjoyed the dialogue here, and after an initially shaky start (the sword fighting) the duel became wonderfully exciting. Enjoyable scene that undoubtedly boosted my rating of the episode. The Hound had some wonderful acting here too. Dany: I've been very disappointed with Meereen as a whole this season, but Dany ad my favourite scene of the episode in E10. Some much improved acting on Emilia's part here. King's Landing: Pretty much everything here except Qyburn and Gregor annoyed me and felt underwhelming. The lack of conflict between Jaime and Tyrion, combined with the "self-defence" killing of Shae by "St. Tyrion" was terrible. Very disappointed with King's Landing this episode Arya: Maise is a wonderful young actress, and while I had guessed pretty much that her last scene would be exactly this, I never expected it as the season ender. But in hindsight that was a good choice, and Maise was a killer (no pun intended) in all of her scenes this season.

I suppose it's relevant to note here, if anyone is able to edit this: the link to Tyene's mother or Serra Mopatis under the Speta Lemore heading don't seem to lead anywhere, it just says error. Not sure if anyone can fix this. I also think other theories on her identity should be listed, including Mellario of Norvos and Wenda the White Fawn (there may be others but I'm not familiar with them) Varys as a Blackfyre also appears to be a broken link: Piecing Together Varys as a Blackfyre. I'm not sure where the thread would be or if it still exists Breaking the World link also a faulty link: Breaking the World The Old Gods Love the Starks also appears not to lead anywhere: The Old Gods Love the Starks Septon Barth's Unnatural Story also a broken link And some further ideas I think should be added to the OP: Who will be the Faith's Champion against Ser Robert Strong, Loras and Dragonstone and to the re-read projects I think the Learning to Lead: A re-read project of the Dany and Jon DwD chapters is a very good read too. Thank you to the author of V.1 and whoever is now in charge of V.2, your work is appreciated :)

He was going to parlay with Mance and try to kill him. If he took Ghost he is more likely to be killed on sight I suppose as he is more threatening

So-so. Wasn't my favourite episode, but wasn't horrendous. Didn't bother me that there was no Stannis, but felt the battle dragged too long. I was ready for the episode to finish by the end. 5.5 rounded to 6 ETA: To elavorate a little more. I did not feel excited or tense at all. We had some Wildlings run at the Wall and start climbing...around 10 of them, a number which is obviously no real threat. Then we had a mammoth and some giants (I liked the visuals here) but only one lives and gets into the tunnel. Grenn vs the Giant could have been a scene that excited me. Also, the Nights Watch must be Wights, the amount of times they sprang back up in the yard. Lackluster to me. Also disliked the over exaggeration of Janos Slynt. We already dislike him, no need to make him so grossly incompetent and cowardly as he was this episode.