The Wondering Wolf

@zionius You mean the quote states he was from Dragonstone? While that is likely, he could also have been from somewhere else and still had relatives on the island.

I am a bit unsure about some things related to Marston Waters. His wiki entry states: During the Dance of the Dragons, Ser Marston lost his home when Spicetown was burned during the Battle of the Gullet.[4][3] He achieved a modest place in the retinue of King Aegon II Targaryen.[1] This is based on the following passages: Aboard was an aged fisherman called Tom Tanglebeard, his son Tom Tangletongue, and two “cousins” from Driftmark, left homeless when Spicetown was destroyed. And so the Two Toms and their “cousins” (a half-truth, as only Ser Marston shared their blood, being the bastard son of Tom Tanglebeard’s sister by the knight who took her maidenhead) set sail in their small boat to seek out Grey Ghost’s killer. The burned king and the maimed dragon each found new purpose in the other. Though bastard born, he had achieved knighthood and a modest place in the retinue of King Aegon II, but his rise would likely have ended there if not for his kinship to certain fisherfolk on Dragonstone, which led Larys Strong to choose him above a hundred better knights to hide the king during Rhaenyra’s ascendancy. Since the second "cousin" is meant to be King Aegon II himself, I am not sure if Marston actually was from Spicetown or if that was just a cover up story to explain the presence of the "cousins" on Dragonstone. I think it is at least safe to assume that Marston came into service of Aegon II prior to the destruction of Spicetown, because it seems unlikely he would have made it to KL between the Battle at the Gullet and the fall of KL (lack of time and opportunity I would say). So even if he originated from Driftmark, he would not have been left homeless, since he already seems to have been in KL then. So do I miss anything here or was the Spicetown origin actually a cover up?

I seem to remember that not all Dornish houses practise primogeniture, the Stony Dornishmen might not do so.

@Ran Maybe you can have a quick look on the wiki page I created and tell if it is ok like this.

@Ran That is an interesting take I did not consider before. If Raymun's father had died at the beginning of ACOK, it would mean both the appendices are kind of correct, since in AGOT Raymun was just a knight running the show and Lyman did not have any titles yet at the start of ACOK. I am wondering though if a lord who abdicates would not pass on his title to his heir. As I noted before, there is this quote from the GOO guide: Lord Darry ruled the House, but Ser Gregor Clegane kills both him and his heir Ser Raymun at Mummer’s Ford at the Red Fork of the Trident. Ser Raymun’s eight- or nine-year- old son succeeds to the lordship of the House. While it is highly unlikely that Raymun's father died in that battle, they seem to rely on the idea of another Lord Darry too. Was that something you discussed with them? They seem to had some knowledge about the degree of kinship between Raymun, Mariya and Jeyne (siblings) as well.

The wiki states Lyman Darry bore the titel 'Lord of Darry', but I am not sure about that. Here is my reasoning, maybe I missed something. In 298 AC Ser Raymun is head of House Darry: The royal party had made themselves the uninvited guests of its lord, Ser Raymun Darry (A Game of Thrones, Eddard III) Raymun is also listed in the appendix of A Game of Thrones in the House Tully section among their knights and lord bannermen as 'Ser Raymun Darry'. So we see can see a few things here: the head of House Darry is a knight, meaning the Darrys are a knightly house. And a knight can be considered to be a lord of his keep, although he does not bear the title (and would not possess lordly rights either). Every time Raymun appears, he is titled 'Ser'. When Raymun dies, he is succeeded by his son Lyman (whose name is only mentioned in the appendix of A Clash of Kings). "Darry men recaptured their lord's keep but held it less than a fortnight before Gregor Clegane descended on them and put the whole garrison to the sword, even their lord." (A Clash of Kings, Catelyn I) While Lyman is referred to as lord here, it is not clear if this mean he bears the title or is just head of his house and leader of his men. The appendix clarifies: LYMAN DARRY, a boy of eight, SHELLA WHENT, Lady of Harrenhal, dispossessed of her castle by Lord Tywin Lannister, JASON MALLISTER, Lord of Seagard, JONOS BRACKEN, Lord of the Stone Hedge, TYTOS BLACKWOOD, Lord of Raventree, LORD KARYL VANCE, SER MARQ PIPER, SER HALMON PAEGE In opposite to the others, Lyman has no title. I think this is because the Darrys are a knightly house, but Lyman is too young for knighthood. Of course there is this vexing list by Tom Seven about people who died during the war: "Ser Raymun Darry, Lord Darry, young Lord Darry." (A Clash of Kings, Arya VI) This is the only time young Lyman is referred to as 'Lord Darry'. It remains unclear if the first 'Lord Darry' refers to Ser Raymun (I do not think so since none of the other people Tom mentions get a second mention). And if it does, it is wrong. So Tom is no credible source on the titel of the Darry, meaning there is actually no proper source stating Raymun or Lyman bore the title Lord of Darry.

Are there any cases in the history books (or in the books at all) that someone without lands is called 'lord' when his character is described? But maybe @Ran can confirm that Ronnel Penrose was Lord of Parchments.

@Ran Do you remember how the statement of Jeyne Arryn being a cousin of Rhaenyra made it into the Worldbook? Since it is not in F&B, did GRRM confirm she was a granddaughter of Rodrik?

Is there any source stating that Elbert Arryn was a knight?

I searched through some RPGs, but only the A Song of Ice and Fire Campaign Guide says the 'Faith Militant rose up' two times, the other ones does not mention the Faith Militant at all. Maybe I can find the video.

That was not my question, though. I know the term 'Faith Militant', I was just wondering where the 'Faith Militant uprising' came from. As far as I know it is never used in the books, but it is the name of the wiki entry and many people use it. Why not 'Faith Militant rebellion' or 'rebellion of the Faith'?

Where does the term 'Faith Militant uprising' come from? It is used so widely. but I can not find a single reference in the books.

The GoO book states it was the Lord of Atranta.

Where is it stated thar the Lord Vance Lord Smallwood is fighting with, is Lord Karyl Vance?

Alright, thanks for clarifying. I just had a look on the GoO guide and it says: Lord Darry ruled the House, but Ser Gregor Clegane kills both him and his heir Ser Raymun at Mummer’s Ford at the Red Fork of the Trident. Ser Raymun’s eight- or nine-year- old son succeeds to the lordship of the House. This is really interesting because some people did assume there had been another Lord Darry ("Ser Raymun Darry, Lord Darry, young Lord Darry"). Anyway, in AGOT Raymun is described as lord of Castle Darry, although he is always called Ser (you could explain this with the possible reduction of the house after the Rebellion).

@Ran I seem to remember you once stated one of the guides can be considered semi-canon. Was it not this one? It clearly contains some information that must have come from GRRM like Robert slaying Lord Grafton or Rhaenyra's three sons with Lyonel Strong.

Besides, it would have been odd if Jaehaerys had trusted one of the guys who played a significant role in his brother's downfall, so I doubt it was Prentys, as well. I would remove the entire part from Prentys's entry and raise the uncertainty at House Tully's page.

Prentys Tully is stated to have fought at the God's Eye in 43 AC, but I can not find any evidence for that. Although a Lord Tully is mentioned, we do not learn his given name.

The chapters themselves summarise a lot, so I am not sure what a summary on the wiki would look like.

It did not burn.

The last sentence is not part of the chapter. It just reads: All this pleased King Jaehaerys, but none of it pleased him half so much as the gift that Queen Alysanne gave him as the year turned to an end, when she told him she was with child. Jaehaerys and Alysanne were devided for almost half a year in the German edition, as well.

Can not look it up now, will do it later. Sure, and actually it is just the other way around (the German version has him 12, the English one 11).

I had to save my entry before finishing it, but I added some more stuff. The Clegg issue is part of the German translation. Maegor is still eleven at the time Visenya proposes a betrothal with Rhaena (and not twelve as would be correct). Then it says Alyssa Velaryon's father was among the oldest supporter of Aegon I instead of her grandfather. Alyn Bullock is called Adam two times. And there is some weird stuff going on with the timing of the events around Saera. I do not think there is a thread for that kind of stuff, feel free to start one if you like.

Yeah, this might be the reason. English: We know the realm did not rise up against King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne in 51 AC as it had against Aegon and Rhaena ten years earlier. German: We know the realm did not rise up against King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne in 50 AC as it had against Aegon and Rhaena nine years earlier. English: The year continued without further crisis or test as Jaehaerys and Alysanne settled in to rule. German: The year of the half century, as the year 50 AC would be called, continued without further crisis or test as Jaehaerys and Alysanne settled in to rule. English: All this pleased King Jaehaerys, but none of it pleased him half so much as the gift that Queen Alysanne gave him several moons later, when she told him she was with child. German: All this pleased King Jaehaerys, but none of it pleased him half so much as the gift that Queen Alysanne gave him as the year turned to an end, when she told him she was with child. English: "I mean for them to see me," Jaehaerys declared, when announcing his first royal progress late in 51 AC. German: "I mean for them to see me," Jaehaerys declared, when announcing his first royal progress in 51 AC. English: But the child, when he came early the following year, would prove to be robust and healthy, a big red-faced boy born with a fuzz of jet black hair and "a squall that could be heard from Dorne to the Wall." German: But the child, when he came later that year, would prove to be robust and healthy, a big red-faced boy born with a fuzz of jet black hair and "a squall that could be heard from Dorne to the Wall."

Thinking about it, I seem to remember that is something I had already thought about as well when I tried to solve the differences regarding 50/51/52 AC between the German and English edition (apparently the German one tried to fix some errors from the original script and ended up all wrong when GRRM changed things differently). So yeah, I can live with the explanation that Alyssa herself just noticed her pregnancy that late.