The Wondering Wolf

Does not sound very convincing to me. The king's mother being pregnant is huge news and should be passed on to the king immediately. Rogar already had had his struggles with Jaehaerys, I do not think he wanted to risk the king's wroth because he had not informed him at once about something he would have liked to know for sure. So yeah, it might be a solution, I just do not think it is a good one. And it even requires the concept of late and early to extend to the last and first four month of the year, which I am not convinced of either. So we need a bunch of unusual decisions and wording to make it happen. Might not be impossible, but I think GRRM got confused when he changed the timing of events in 50 and 51 AC.

@zionius Since Jaehaerys and Alysanne learned about their mother's pregnancy the year before Boremund's birth (52 AC), they must have returned in 51 AC indeed. But there might be a problem though. Jaehaerys announced his plans of a progress late in 51 AC and it surely took some time to start the thing and to get to Maidenpool and back. I am not entirely sure about the meaning of 'late in', but I would guess it defines a point in the last three months (I do not know if there are any examples in the book) and not more than the last four ones for sure. So I think Jaehaerys announced his plans no earlier than in the tenth month, started his progress two weeks later (maybe even just one week later) and then he travelled for around a month (he wanted to see a lot of places and the two weeks he wanted to stay in Maidenpool show that he stayed some time at least in the major castles and towns). So in the end he would have returned at the end of the eleventh or the beginning of the twelfth month. I see no way he learned about his mother's pregnancy at that point (and I guess the message was sent immediately after they noticed Alyssa was pregnant) and Boremund could have been born early in 52 AC.

@zionius You say that 'The year continued without further crisis or test as Jaehaerys and Alysanne settled in to rule' is an error because there was an attack on Alysanne at the end of 51 AC. But can we be sure the attack took place in 51 at all? Jaehaerys declared his plans of a royal progress late in 51. We do not know the month and we do not know how much time it took him to start the progress and to get to Maidenpool. So I think it is possible the incident took place early in 52 AC.

Maybe we should discuss if The Sons of the Dragon, The Rogue Prince and The Princess and the Queen are still appropriate sources for information on the wiki. As far as I know, all of these are earlier drafts of the text in Fire and Blood, so the latter should trump them when there are differences. This applies to the death of Jon Piper, the rumour of Daemon's and Alicent's sexual interaction, the existence of Maester Hunnimore or Ser Raymont Baratheon and some more. I would even go so far and propose not to use them anymore except for pointing out changes on the errata pages or for similar purposes.

I guess, Daeron and Daemion were just not harmed. Maybe because they were still young or maybe because they did not speak at all. I guess there could be a few reasons, so not necessarily an inconsistency.

@Ran Since the page still reads Harlen Tyrell, although he is called Harlan in the Worldbook and FaB, was there a definite decision on this?

The wiki page of Aenys I Targaryen states that according to the app, the marriage of him and Alyssa Velaryon was a political match. But the app does not seem to make such claim.

Gyldayn writes: Since history does not seem to remember Gyles Belgrave as traitor and he is not called Greycloak in the text, I would not merge the articles.

Since the Shetts of Gull Tower are vassals to House Royce, I guess they are just the knightly branch. Would be weird for the Gulltown Shetts to have the Royces as their liege lords.

Something about categorization: Many Archmaesters and Grand Maesters are categorized both under Maesters and Archmaester or Grand Maesters, although any Archmaester and Grand Maester is a Maester by default. Usually a page is not supposed to be categorized in a category and a subcategory at the same time, because the pages in the subcategory belong to the category automatically. So I would propose to remove the Maester category in these cases.

The map in TWOIAF shows that a small part of the Blackwater runs through the Reach. So they (or at least some of them) could have been from there as well.

Corne was one of the "landed knights and petty lords whose lands lay along the banks of the Blackwater". It does not say he was from the crownlands.

I think we do not really know where he was from. The maps in TWOIAF show that the blackwater runs through the riverlands, the Reach and the crownlands. Not sure how to reconcile this one. Yandel claims Dalton himself lead the attack that captured Kayce Gyldayn writes Johanna was busy defending Kayce and succeeded in saving it.

I am main administrator of the site and beneath every article there is a "see also" section with a link to the English one.

I even think grandson is more likely than son. Lyonel was an established tourney knight in 209 AC, so I would place his birth around 180 AC. Ormund seems to have inherited his lordship rather young, maybe born around 225 AC. There is enough space for another generation. I guess there are enough occasion where Ormund's father could have died, for example the Peake uprising in 233 AC or the Fourth Blackfyre Rebellion in 236 AC.

He could have been a grandson, as well.

@Ran Would it be possible to establish interwiki links to the German Ice and Fire wiki?

Alright, I'm ok with that. I considered something like this, as well, but since there is no confirmation, I would remove that specific part from Falena's page.

Various things: This is the calculation for Aethan Velaryon. The first sentence seems to be based on: [Alyssa] had taken them from Dragonstone within hours of her husband’s funeral, crossing to her lord father’s castle on nearby Driftmark. Some pages later it reads: A visit from the Dowager Queen and Vhagar had persuaded her to leave her sanctuary on Driftmark and return to court, where Alyssa and her brothers and cousins of House Velaryon did homage to Maegor as the true king. There is no mention of Aethan, so I was wondering if that means Aethan had died in the meantime. Or if "her lord father's castle" could even be some loose wording and Aethan was already dead back then. From the entry of Falena Stokeworth. I think it is nowhere mentioned that Falena was that girl, there even seems to be a discrepancy regarding her age by one year since she was ten years older than Aegon IV who was born in 135 AC, but according to F&B Stokeworth's daughter was born in 124 AC (six years old in 130 AC, not eight as the wiki states). So this could mean that Falena was not said Stokeworth lady. The family tree for the Corbrays during the Dance states that Quenton was the son of Leowyn (which is not stated by the text). When I changed the template, @Thomaerys Velaryon changed it back and wrote on my talk site, I answered here. My main point is: Even if we decide to depict Quenton as Leowyn's son, we have to think about the source, because it is not stated anywhere in the text.

He doesn't.

So it is based on a contradicting statement by GRRM? Seems a bit unsatisfactory. I would add it as source anyway.

What is the source for Blackfyre being a hand-and-a-half longsword/bastard sword?

Of course I am no native speaker, but I seem to remember the phrase used that way. I found some examples: Either we have the courage to make bold reforms now, orwe watch the demise of our fisheries sector in the years ahead. We just cannot remain inactive and watch the suffering and demise of the Burmese people go on any longer. In both statements the word watch is not used as seeing it with your own eyes but as remaining inactive. No confirmation on Corlys's father yet. By the way when Manfryd Redwyne's son are introduced, they get mentioned in order of age.

No. Ser Vaemond had been the son of the elder of the Sea Snake’s brothers. Five other nephews, sired by another brother, had claims as well. When they took their case before the sick and failing Viserys, they made the grievous mistake of questioning the legitimacy of his daughter’s children. Viserys had their tongues removed for this insolence, though he let them keep their heads. Three of the “silent five” had died during the Dance, fighting for Aegon II against Rhaenyra . . . but two survived, together with Ser Vaemond’s sons, and all came forward now, insisting that they had more right to Driftmark than “this bastard of Hull, whose mother was a mouse.”

@Rhaenys_Targaryen Some points from the errata page: Alyssa Velaryon is said to have been forced to watch her daughter Rhaena Targaryen's wedding to King Maegor I Targaryen in 47 AC, which did not happen as Alyssa had fled beyond Maegor's reach by that point. I think you can also see the statement as a way to say that Alyssa had to suffer the marriage and could not intervene. The spring at Maidenpool is described as being inside a spa-like structure in Fire & Blood, while it is described as a bare pool in A Feast for Crows. Although apparently a contradiction, the author decided to keep the descriptions as they are. Cities change, so I would not place it in the errata. Corwyn Corbray is referred to as "Lord Corbray" (US hardcover, page 634) despite only inheriting his brother's seat after his brother's death at a later moment. I think Corwyn never inherited his brother's seat, it was his nephew Quenton. The US version of Fire & Blood states that Prince Daemon Targaryen was twenty years old in 101 AC, which is incorrect as he is known to have been born in 76 AC. Daemon was born in 81 AC. I remember there was an issue with Daemon's age, but it was not that one. And Martyn's father Mandfryd was the son of Addam.