Knight of the Amused Tree Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Bran Vras has a nice (albeit long) analysis on Winterfell aDwD events that somewhat explores the miller-bastards hypothesis: http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Contents.html This. Highly recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mediocore Ron Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 POVs are unreliable narrators, none more than Reek/Theon. He HEARS Kinslayer because he fears that is what everyone sees him as. So when Theon finally dominates Reek, he will declare that Bran and Rickon still live. The North Remembers and rejoices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Theon himself called Robb his brother quite often.Distant cousins, as in >50 generations.Theon didn't kill Robb. Ramsay is the only one who actualy knows Theon didnt kill Bran and Rickon, why would anyone call him a kinslayer for any reason other than this? It would involve them being aware that he had sired a bastard on a miller's wife, a fact he himself is unaware of, and that he had then killed this bastard and his.half-brother in order to cover up the disappearance of Bran and Rickon. How could anyone possibly.know this?He is called kinslayer because he was a Stark in all but blood, and to most if not all it appears that he has killed his two foster brothers, who were more brothers than his own ever were. Thats good enough for.kinslayingRobb was more of a brother to him than his Greyjoy brothers. Not Bran and Rickon. This.That's irrelevant. They're still not his brothers. Indeed, and Robb is dead. Look at this passage from aDwD: Roose just reveals here that Theon was instrumental in Robb's downfall and ultimately, instrumental in his death.Is Robb a kinslayer for breaking his vows to the Freys and in that way provoking Walder into the Red Wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Theon didn't kill Robb.Robb was more of a brother to him than his Greyjoy brothers. Not Bran and Rickon.And Bran and Rickon are Robbs brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Theon didn't kill Robb. Robb was more of a brother to him than his Greyjoy brothers. Not Bran and Rickon. And Bran and Rickon are Robbs brothers This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiasyd Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Theon didn't kill Robb.Robb was more of a brother to him than his Greyjoy brothers. Not Bran and Rickon. Indeed, and Robb is dead. Look at this passage from aDwD: "What … what do you owe me, m'lord?" "The north. The Starks were done and doomed the night that you took Winterfell." Roose just reveals here that Theon was instrumental in Robb's downfall and ultimately, instrumental in his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chacho88 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Theon always says he's not a kinslayer to people for the reason that he was not their real brothers, but what i always thought he meant was because he did not actually kill them, he does or did consider them family and would never have harmed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJ McLannister Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I think the term is meant to refer to Bran and Rickon, but it does seem a little odd that he is called that by those three people in a relatively short amount of time. He's called a turncloak by others, but the first time we see "kinslayer." It could reflect the character moving through his guilt, but there could be some bit of secret information as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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