TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I found a possible candidate! In AFFC "When Tyrion had chosen him (Ser Arys) to go with Myrcella to Dorne, he lit a candle to the Warrior in thanks." What do you think? Sercei looks more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogo_1 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I am a little lost, when you say Not seen on page, I take that to mean it was seen on the tv show. Am I right or wrong with this assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 Is it the candle Arys lit for the Warrior (I am saving everyone the pain)? Count the win for Malcolm, please. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evermind Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 1. Not character/s2. Not event/place3. Among the established categories4. Object5. Man made6. Not item of clothing7. Not made of metal8. Not made of wood, paper or fabric9. Not made from glass or gems10. Not seen on page11. Not made from stone or clayHint: such objects were seen on page probably in every book, but that particular one we're talking about wasn't seen on page, only mentioned12. Not made of leather13. Not made from bone14. Not a food or drink for people15. Mentioned in one book only, but not in AGOT/ACOKLet me know if you want another hint (though I kinda gave you one with 14)16. Not meant as a feed for animals. Not for horses or mules or kittensWell, in fact it depends on the material it's made of. In certain cases it can be eaten by certain animals, but it definitely isn't meant to be.16.5. Something meant for gods/spirits/what-have-you17. Candles (in ASOIAF universe they probably are made from wax, but I seem to recall back in the days candles were made of animal fats (grease? salo? Don't know the right word, Malc help me), and there were instances when mice ate them)Now don't forget to consider the first hint, you have only three questions left! 18. Mentioned not in ASOS Hint: A/the candle/s (I'm not clarifying this one, to me it seems I was quite clear about it) was/were lit, which means it's not something like "one day she must lit a candle", it's not considering litting candles or that sort of stuff 19. It is indeed the candle Arys lit for the Warrior when Tyrion picked him to go to Dorne. That didn't end that well, eh? Congratulations to the whole 20-questions crew! Malcolm apparently hosts now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 it was interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I am almost sleeping, and, AFS, you started a round some days ago we never solved. I think is' right time to finish it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogo_1 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Would someone tell me what it means when it says not seen on page please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil' ghost Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 mostly likely it's been mentioned but not seen. it could also be a clue for TV show only kind of hint. but, ususally not seen means mentioned, from what i know. ETA: or thought of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evermind Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Well, it's exactly what it says, not seen on page, not present on page. Let's say the answer is "Jaime threatening Varys to save Tyrion's life in the end of ASOS". We only read how Jaime mentions it in his thoughts, but we never see it happen on page. So in this case, if asked "seen on page in 5 books?", the host should say "no", if asked "mentioned on page in 5 books", the host should say "yes". In case of my riddle, Arys Oakheart only remembers how he lit a candle for Warrior, so it's not "seen on page", but "mentioned". Also, common follow-ups for "seen on page in 5 books? - no" are "seen in D&E novellas?" and "from the TV-show?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 Would someone tell me what it means when it says not seen on page please? For example, Lyanna Stark was never seen on page, she was just mentioned by Robert, Ned and a few other characters. Everything in the show in on screen=on page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bori Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 What about cases when somebody very vividly remembers? For example, when Ned dreams about the ToJ. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone.etc. Were they seen on page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 What about cases when somebody very vividly remembers? For example, when Ned dreams about the ToJ. etc. Were they seen on page? Not on page. Everything remembered, vividly or not, is not on page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bori Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 dreams, visions? Not nitpicking, just clarify so I won't answer wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 dreams, visions? if your riddle is "the vision of Arthur Dayne", then it was seen on page. If your riddle is "Arthur Dayne", then it was not seen on page. If the person, object or anything else was not present on page, it was not "seen on page". I can not host, I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 dreams, visions? Not nitpicking, just clarify so I won't answer wrong... Dreams and visions are in grey zone for now. Up to the host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted May 21, 2014 Author Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dreams and visions are in grey zone for now. Up to the host. oh, I forgot Bran's visions, yes. If I were a host, things seen by him would have been seen on page, because they were present on page :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMalcolm Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 I can not host, I am afraid. Me too, I am almost in the bed and won't be able to answer questions. So you wait until my return in 12 hours or so or anybody can start their own round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drogo_1 Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 ok thank you all for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bori Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 oh, I forgot Bran's visions, yes. If I were a host, things seen by him would have been seen on page, because they were present on page :ninja: but then Lyanna was seen on page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziz0z Posted May 21, 2014 Share Posted May 21, 2014 What about Arys's conversation with Doran? In the course of him remembering it the narration switches from pluperfect ("'And you, my prince?' the knight had dared to ask") to simple past tense ("'A noble vow,' said Doran Martell with a faint smile"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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